Latest Excellence article on the Turbo
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964C2 said:
Latest article in the June issue of Excellence describes the author's "riding" experience in a 997TT at Weissach with factory test drivers....needless to say the author, Ian Kuah, was very impressed. In a 1/4 mile drag race with a 996TT, the 997TT was ahead by 3 car lengths at the 1/8 mile point and at the finish the 996TT was no where to be seen. He also mentions that the 997TT with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires is 7 secs. faster at the 'Ring. His ending quote was, "....so get ready for a monster of a 911".![]()
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964C2 said:
He also mentions that the 997TT with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires is 7 secs. faster at the 'Ring.
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Grant said:Quote:
964C2 said:
He also mentions that the 997TT with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires is 7 secs. faster at the 'Ring.
This is not too impressive as the new tires are worth at least 7 sec. on their own. Maybe you meant that the 996TT had Cup tires too? Or did you mean that the differenc in tires is 7 sec (no comparison to 996TT)? Sorry for the confusion...
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STRADALE said:Quote:
Grant said:Quote:
964C2 said:
He also mentions that the 997TT with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires is 7 secs. faster at the 'Ring.
This is not too impressive as the new tires are worth at least 7 sec. on their own. Maybe you meant that the 996TT had Cup tires too? Or did you mean that the differenc in tires is 7 sec (no comparison to 996TT)? Sorry for the confusion...
No, the article said the 997 Turbo is 7 seconds faster and with the Cup Tires minus an additional 7 seconds.
Apr 25, 2006 10:44:30 PM
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STRADALE said:
996 Turbo Tip VS. 997 Turbo Tip. Too bad they had very wet track conditions. Would have loved to read more about each cars dry track limiations versus each other.
Apr 25, 2006 10:53:34 PM
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Dock (Atlanta) said:Quote:
STRADALE said:
996 Turbo Tip VS. 997 Turbo Tip. Too bad they had very wet track conditions. Would have loved to read more about each cars dry track limiations versus each other.
Porsche tests the slowest 996 Turbo against the fastest 997 Turbo...in very traction limited conditions, which favor the new AWD system of the 997 Turbo. I'd say you couldn't stack the deck any more in favor of the 997 Turbo.
The comment "nowhere in sight" at the end of the quarter mile is suspect. I guess it depends though on the definition of "nowhere in sight". Each 0.1 sec faster ET in the quarter equals about 1 car length. For example, a 12.4 versus a 11.7 would mean a difference of 7 car lengths...
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Dock (Atlanta) said:Quote:
STRADALE said:
996 Turbo Tip VS. 997 Turbo Tip. Too bad they had very wet track conditions. Would have loved to read more about each cars dry track limiations versus each other.
Porsche tests the slowest 996 Turbo against the fastest 997 Turbo...in very traction limited conditions, which favor the new AWD system of the 997 Turbo. I'd say you couldn't stack the deck any more in favor of the 997 Turbo.
The comment "nowhere in sight" at the end of the quarter mile is suspect. I guess it depends though on the definition of "nowhere in sight". Each 0.1 sec faster ET in the quarter equals about 1 car length. For example, a 12.4 versus a 11.7 would mean a difference of 7 car lengths...
I'd personally would love to see a tip 997 vs. your car Dock that would be interesting to watch![]()
Apr 26, 2006 2:20:29 AM
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Apr 26, 2006 12:47:40 PM
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Dock (Atlanta) said:
...Porsche tests the slowest 996 Turbo against the fastest 997 Turbo...in very traction limited conditions, which favor the new AWD system of the 997 Turbo. I'd say you couldn't stack the deck any more in favor of the 997 Turbo...
Apr 26, 2006 2:50:15 PM
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Ferdie said:
This is one way to look at it - on the other side those are both the "basic" Turbos with automatic gearbox, which makes them pretty similiar in the end.
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Ferdie said:On the other hand, 7 seconds improvement on the Ring shows that quite a substantial amount is due to increased hp numbers and bigger brakes - it would be pretty silly to expect bigger improvements due to the 996 TT's already fabulous performance!
Apr 26, 2006 5:20:40 PM
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LoranTw said:
I recognize the X50 option...b ut what is X73? Thanks in advance for the reply..:-)
Apr 26, 2006 6:45:14 PM
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Dock (Atlanta) said:Quote:
LoranTw said:
I recognize the X50 option...b ut what is X73? Thanks in advance for the reply..:-)
The X7 option is Porsche's best suspension for the 996 Turbo (includes new springs/shocks/motor mounts). It lowers the car and makes a HUGE difference in handling. It's also available as an after market installation...that's what I did.
Apr 26, 2006 7:25:49 PM
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LoranTw said:What price did that option go for and is this a potential for this 997tt or not available for whatever reason? I take it you were very happy with the upgrade.
Apr 26, 2006 7:28:29 PM
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Dock (Atlanta) said:Quote:
LoranTw said:What price did that option go for and is this a potential for this 997tt or not available for whatever reason? I take it you were very happy with the upgrade.
I ordered the X73 package from Gert at Carnewal...paid 1995 euros at the time. My dealer installed the suspension and motor mounts.
I couldn't be more pleased with the X73 suspension! It lowers the car, and the handling is a HUGE improvement. The car is also much more planted at speed. The ride is no question stiffer/harder, but it drives and rides like a proper Porsche sports car...there's nothing "GT' about it.
I have no idea if the X73 suspension could be installed on a 997 Turbo...
Here's a picture of the ride height with X73.
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Apr 27, 2006 1:05:12 AM
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Dock (Atlanta) said:
The X7 option is Porsche's best suspension for the 996 Turbo (includes new springs/shocks/motor mounts). It lowers the car and makes a HUGE difference in handling. It's also available as an after market installation...that's what I did.
Apr 27, 2006 3:31:17 AM
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Ferdie said:
This is one way to look at it - on the other side those are both the "basic" Turbos with automatic gearbox, which makes them pretty similiar in the end.
The quarter mile is about performance - it is obviously one of the platforms used to judge how much a manufacturer has improved their new car. The 996 Tip is at the bottom in terms of launching off the line, and it's the slowest 996 Turbo. Matching these two cars allows Porsche to enjoy the biggest "WOW" factor, but does not serve as a measurement of how much real performance increase the 997 TT is over the 996 TT.Quote:
Ferdie said:On the other hand, 7 seconds improvement on the Ring shows that quite a substantial amount is due to increased hp numbers and bigger brakes - it would be pretty silly to expect bigger improvements due to the 996 TT's already fabulous performance!
Notice that you've never seen any Ring times for a 996 Turbo with X73? There's a reason for this...Porsche is in the business of selling cars (I have no problem with this, but realize it has much to do with how cars are advertised). If Porsche advertised that a 996 Turbo with X73 can run in the low 7:50's at the Ring, it doesn't leave much difference between that car and the next version to be released (the 997 TT). My guess is that if you add X50 to the 996 TT with X73, it would be very close to the 997 TT's Ring time.
When determining what performance increases a manufacturer is offering with their new model, it's important to match the best performing "old" model to the best performing "new" model.



), the marketing challenge may not be as great as we fear.....
Apr 27, 2006 3:41:09 AM
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VKSF said:But don't know if a stiff X73 (or PASM in Sport) necessarily generates best times on a bumpy mtn road (akin to N-ring), esp in hands of a good rennteam driver (vs a pro).