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Apr 22, 2006 7:29:42 AM

Mike2: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 55, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 29, 2003

Tracktest: Z06, M Roadster and SL55

Hi,

German car magazine AutoBild Sportscars tested the Z06, new M Roadster und SL55 (new engine) at the German Racetrack Oscherleben. I thought it might be interesting for some of you.

Start/Finish is point "2" on the Map.
Track Length: 3,667 km

Times:
Corvette Z06.........1:40.57 min
SL55.................1:47.21 min
M Roadster...........1:48.24 min

Older Times for comparison:
1.Koro 4.6 RM S (heavily tuned GT3 and 4.6l).....1.39,65min
2.Manthey-Racing Porsche 996 GT-MR...............1.41,79min
3.TechArt Porsche turbo..........................1.43,59min
.
5.Mercedes CLK DTM AMG...........................1.44,10min
.
10.Lamborghini Gallardo..........................1.45,20min
.
14.Porsche 911 turbo 996 (450 hp)................1.46,55min
15.BMW M3 CSL....................................1.46,60min
.
19.Porsche 911 turbo 996 (420 hp)................1.47,40min
20.Porsche 911 GT3 996 Mk.2......................1.47,60min

Complete Time List

Test Data for the Z06:
Tire Size............275/35 ZR 18
.....................325/30 ZR 19
Tires................Goodyear Eagle F1
Weight...............1445 kg (not mentioned if with full tank or not)

0-100 km/h...........4,2 s
0-130 km/h...........5,7 s
0-160 km/h...........8,2 s
0-200 km/h...........12,1 s

1/4 mile.............11,96 s

braking:
100-0 km/h cold......35,2 m
100-0 km/h warm......34,9 m
200-0 km/h warm......133,3 m

Have a nice weekend,

Michael

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Apr 22, 2006 7:48:32 AM

JimFlat6: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cave , United States; Posts: 8633, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: Mike2

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Thats a killer time for the Z06.

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Apr 22, 2006 8:27:43 AM

SoCalHoosier: Veteran; Loc: California , United States; Posts: 896, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 13, 2003; Reply to: JimFlat6

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Wow... no kidding... very impressive indeed.

Just imagine if the roof stayed on during the run.

Seriously though... Porsche has got to get their sh!t together and realize that the competition is passing them by. How long can they hold onto the "old" racing heritage?

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Apr 22, 2006 8:42:12 AM

JimFlat6: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cave , United States; Posts: 8633, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: SoCalHoosier

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SoCalHoosier said:
Wow... no kidding... very impressive indeed.

Just imagine if the roof stayed on during the run.

Seriously though... Porsche has got to get their sh!t together and realize that the competition is passing them by. How long can they hold onto the "old" racing heritage?

Porsches quickest fix to get Chevy out of the picture would be to lobby to outlaw sales of duct tape or to
claim that the Z06 roof is a illegal air brake.

Actually I dont think that the current Z06 is any real concern for Porsche. The next one, the C7 Z06, is. The
new LS9 DOHC engine,better suspension,steering system,
interior, could be a royal pain in the butt for PCNA
sales.

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Apr 22, 2006 10:35:16 AM

964C2: Expert; Loc: Dallas, TX , United States; Posts: 1825, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: JimFlat6

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I think it would be very intereting to really know how many long time Corvette owners switched to a Porsche and visa-versa....I suspect not many of either type.

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Apr 22, 2006 2:06:04 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: 964C2

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Impressive time for the Z06. Doesn't look like the 997TT or GT3 could touch it on that particular track.

For Porsche-Corvette switching, I can see some people thinking between a Z06 and a GT3 for the track. But for people looking for a "luxury sports car" or a cab, if they can afford the 911, they will get it, not the Z06.

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Apr 22, 2006 2:21:29 PM

95jersey: Senior; Loc: US; Posts: 578, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 20, 2006; Reply to: SciFrog

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SciFrog said:
Impressive time for the Z06. Doesn't look like the 997TT or GT3 could touch it on that particular track.

For Porsche-Corvette switching, I can see some people thinking between a Z06 and a GT3 for the track. But for people looking for a "luxury sports car" or a cab, if they can afford the 911, they will get it, not the Z06.

I think if you actually drove one...your way of thinking would completely change. To have such power and capability in your hands at such a price would make the little things that everyone complains about seem meaningless. While 5 or 7 seconds doesn't sound like a big deal, in the drivers seat, the speed difference would equate to excitment vs. the fear for one's life. Luxury is way overated. I'd love a Porsche...maybe an 1992 RS America with no door panels, straps for door handles, and zero sound deadening.

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Apr 22, 2006 2:29:14 PM

Ron (Houston): Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Houston, TX , United States; Posts: 8812, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 10, 2002; Reply to: Mike2

Re: Tracktest: Z06, M Roadster and SL55

Thanks for the data

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Apr 22, 2006 2:47:26 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: 95jersey

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95jersey said:

Luxury is way overated. I'd love a Porsche...maybe an 1992 RS America with no door panels, straps for door handles, and zero sound deadening.

Everybody has different needs, a lot of people would put luxury ahead of performance as long as you get enough sportiness. Especially in the US where speed limit is so low. And this is what Porsche is catering these days, because it is just a bigger market.

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Apr 22, 2006 3:28:23 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Mike2

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One thing we do know. Von Saurma wasn't driving the Z06. Had he been, there is no way the Z06 would have had a better time than the various Turbo's.

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Apr 22, 2006 3:39:12 PM

Ron (Houston): Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Houston, TX , United States; Posts: 8812, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 10, 2002; Reply to: nberry

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You hate this guy don't you Nick

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Apr 22, 2006 4:05:12 PM

BC: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Cape Town , South Africa; Posts: 2586, Gallery; Registered on: May 19, 2005; Reply to: Ron (Houston)

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That Vette's times really are impressive

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Apr 22, 2006 4:19:26 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Ron (Houston)

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Ron (Houston) said:
You hate this guy don't you Nick .

Honestly I don't trust his results. He is a Porsche guy who knows how to drive Porsche's. It would be like Ron Fellows, the great Corvette race driver, trying to do better times in a Porsche than Von Saurma. It isn't going to happen.

So when European's hold out Von Saurma as the definitive test driver in objectivity, I am compelled to disagree.He can give good test times in Porsche's and his record proves that but I suspect most other cars he is unable to extract optimal performance times. Thus, as related to non Porsche's, his track times are worthless.

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Apr 22, 2006 4:38:40 PM

Mike2: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 55, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 29, 2003; Reply to: nberry

Re: Tracktest: Z06, M Roadster and SL55

There's an additional videoclip. Nothing special, mostly slow/mid-speed, but nonetheless recommendable.

Video Clip

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Apr 22, 2006 5:11:30 PM

ocnatv: Junior; Loc: ca, usa; Posts: 84, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 24, 2005; Reply to: Mike2

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Those are nice times that the Z06 put up. I was one in line for a 997s late last yr and after long hard thought about whether to get the 997s or Z06, I went with the Z06. It was a very difficult decision because I love so many things about the 997. After getting a Z06 I would still love to have a 997(convertable), but I would never trade it in for one. The performance is unlike anything I have every experienced and everytime I drive the car I have a huge grin on my face to prove it. The performance is so satisfying that you completetly forget about everything else your doing except for driving the car.. Everybody shoud try to go for a test drive.. Just my .02.

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Apr 22, 2006 5:30:01 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: JimFlat6

Re: Tracktest: Z06, M Roadster and SL55

Quote:
JimFlat6 said:

Actually I dont think that the current Z06 is any real concern for Porsche. The next one, the C7 Z06, is. The
new LS9 DOHC engine,better suspension,steering system,
interior, could be a royal pain in the butt for PCNA
sales.

I think, even the Z06 might be a problem for Porsche.

I will not buy a 997TT or any of its derivatives if it should be slower than a Corvette. If I spend far in excess of Euro 150k for a new sportscar it has to be the fastest available. No need for expensive underperformers (like the Carrera GT was).

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Apr 22, 2006 5:33:18 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: nberry

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nberry said:
Quote:
Ron (Houston) said:
You hate this guy don't you Nick .

Honestly I don't trust his results. He is a Porsche guy who knows how to drive Porsche's. It would be like Ron Fellows, the great Corvette race driver, trying to do better times in a Porsche than Von Saurma. It isn't going to happen.

So when European's hold out Von Saurma as the definitive test driver in objectivity, I am compelled to disagree.He can give good test times in Porsche's and his record proves that but I suspect most other cars he is unable to extract optimal performance times. Thus, as related to non Porsche's, his track times are worthless.

You have really no clue about what you are writing

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Apr 22, 2006 5:41:48 PM

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 8234, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2004; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: Tracktest: Z06, M Roadster and SL55

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MKSGR said:
Quote:
nberry said:
Quote:
Ron (Houston) said:
You hate this guy don't you Nick .

Honestly I don't trust his results. He is a Porsche guy who knows how to drive Porsche's. It would be like Ron Fellows, the great Corvette race driver, trying to do better times in a Porsche than Von Saurma. It isn't going to happen.

So when European's hold out Von Saurma as the definitive test driver in objectivity, I am compelled to disagree.He can give good test times in Porsche's and his record proves that but I suspect most other cars he is unable to extract optimal performance times. Thus, as related to non Porsche's, his track times are worthless.

You have really no clue about what you are writing

Absolutely agree. Sesame street already over?

Before you give qualified comments you should realize that the only Porsche you have to know how to drive is the 911, neither the Boxster, Cayenne or CGT need special "Porsche" skills.

So please tell me any other driver who has driven so many different cars on the exact same tracks and can give sufficient information on this variety. I am happy to read about that guy as well, Nick!

Besides that, von Saurma is editor for a whole different magazine...

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Apr 22, 2006 6:18:02 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Ferdie

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I will acknowledge that Von Saurma has familiarity with the Ring. But to conclude Von Saurma is able to extract the best time for all the cars he drives on the Ring is just plain nonsense. If that was the case, all car manufacturer's would turn their cars over to him. We all know that is not the case.

Of course, this is coming from someone that is clueless.

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Apr 22, 2006 9:59:50 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12588, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: JimFlat6

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JimFlat6 said:Actually I dont think that the current Z06 is any real concern for Porsche. The next one, the C7 Z06, is. The
new LS9 DOHC engine,better suspension,steering system,
interior, could be a royal pain in the butt for PCNA
sales.

Jim - Is the LS-9 the one rumored to be a 6.2L V-8 with 3/valve heads and a supercharger?

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Apr 22, 2006 10:15:44 PM

JimFlat6: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cave , United States; Posts: 8633, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: Grant

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It has 4 valve heads and yes, the Z06 version will have a supercharger. Both the base and Z06 versions will also have direct injection and variable valve timing. They have to go with DI and VVT to meet 2008 emissions standards and the side benefit is more power.

Expect a shocking hp number for the Z06 version and a much higher redline then the current LS7 engine.

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Apr 22, 2006 10:21:30 PM

throt: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 6078, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2005; Reply to: JimFlat6

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Got to give the Z06 credit , it sure goes like ""sheet off a shovel"" , regardless if these figures are accurate or not...

throt...

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Apr 22, 2006 10:33:06 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: JimFlat6

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JimFlat6 said:
It has 4 valve heads and yes, the Z06 version will have a supercharger. Both the base and Z06 versions will also have direct injection and variable valve timing. They have to go with DI and VVT to meet 2008 emissions standards and the side benefit is more power.

Expect a shocking hp number for the Z06 version and a much higher redline then the current LS7 engine.

Considering how expensive all those goodies are going to be, they might as well make it into a felly-fledged supercar and improve the interior to a high standard and don't cut corners. That would make the car sell really well.
However, I'm seriously wondering how long the horsepower will keep on climbing, especially at $75 per barrel?

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Apr 22, 2006 10:37:31 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: nberry

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nberry said:
I will acknowledge that Von Saurma has familiarity with the Ring. But to conclude Von Saurma is able to extract the best time for all the cars he drives on the Ring is just plain nonsense. If that was the case, all car manufacturer's would turn their cars over to him. We all know that is not the case.

Of course, this is coming from someone that is clueless.

On the other hand , Nick, the fact that a journalist might be thought to be able to extract the best times from all the cars he drives could be a good reason for some manufacturers NOT to turn their products over to him.

However, I personally do not contend that von Saurma will get the best time possible from any car on the 'Ring - there are faster drivers out there. But he has enough experience with all types of street-legal sports cars for his personal best times to be comparable with each other as a measure of the abilities of the cars.

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Apr 22, 2006 10:48:00 PM

JimFlat6: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cave , United States; Posts: 8633, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: Crash

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Crash said:
Quote:
JimFlat6 said:
It has 4 valve heads and yes, the Z06 version will have a supercharger. Both the base and Z06 versions will also have direct injection and variable valve timing. They have to go with DI and VVT to meet 2008 emissions standards and the side benefit is more power.

Expect a shocking hp number for the Z06 version and a much higher redline then the current LS7 engine.

Considering how expensive all those goodies are going to be, they might as well make it into a felly-fledged supercar and improve the interior to a high standard and don't cut corners. That would make the car sell really well.
However, I'm seriously wondering how long the horsepower will keep on climbing, especially at $75 per barrel?

Expect a drastically improved interior on the C7 vette. GM knows its turning off customers at that price point and Lutz
the product czar came on board after the C6 interior had already been written in stone. Changes ahead. Look at the
new cadillac STS. GM is buying leather interiors for it from Germany. The Vette is next inline to get German leather and high end switch gear.

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Apr 22, 2006 10:57:53 PM

DamienL: Veteran; Loc: Ontario, Canada; Posts: 890, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 14, 2005; Reply to: JimFlat6

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That's a fantastic time for the ZO6!

The other two cars put down impressive times also. The SL55 was faster than both the 996 Turbo and GT3, while the little M Roadster wasn't even a second slower than the Porsches.

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Apr 22, 2006 11:03:03 PM

JimFlat6: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cave , United States; Posts: 8633, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: DamienL

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Says a lot for the SL55 considering, its weight and automatic gearbox.

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Apr 23, 2006 1:13:08 AM

Hurst: Veteran; Loc: Potomac, MD; Posts: 1255, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 15, 2005; Reply to: JimFlat6

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JimFlat6 said:
Says a lot for the SL55 considering, its weight and automatic gearbox.

I think it says a lot to do with generations of technology.

Each generation, the premier sports cars get bested by luxo-box GTs 5 years later etc...

Technology will continue to pummel the past, its inevitable.

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Apr 23, 2006 5:51:06 AM

trip: Expert; Loc: Bay Area California , United States; Posts: 1691, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 11, 2006; Reply to: MKSGR

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MKSGR said:
Quote:
JimFlat6 said:

Actually I dont think that the current Z06 is any real concern for Porsche. The next one, the C7 Z06, is. The
new LS9 DOHC engine,better suspension,steering system,
interior, could be a royal pain in the butt for PCNA
sales.

I think, even the Z06 might be a problem for Porsche.

I will not buy a 997TT or any of its derivatives if it should be slower than a Corvette. If I spend far in excess of Euro 150k for a new sportscar it has to be the fastest available. No need for expensive underperformers (like the Carrera GT was).

Expensive underperformer? Are you kidding me? The CGT holds the lap record for production cars at the ring. The fact that ferrari has not tested the Enzo there should raise more than a few eyeballs. If you go by Porsche's claimed straight line specs then maybe yo could call it an underperformer ( they said 0-60 in 3.9 yeah...in the wet, most mags tested it at 3.5) however it could almost match the Enzo's straight line pace and it handled better. By the way the spectacular enzo 0-60 times were acheived with launch control which could only be used 6 times for the life of the clutch. I know this is a rant, but don't ever disrespect the greatest car of all time (imo).

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Apr 23, 2006 8:38:17 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: trip

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trip said:
Quote:
MKSGR said:
Quote:
JimFlat6 said:

Actually I dont think that the current Z06 is any real concern for Porsche. The next one, the C7 Z06, is. The
new LS9 DOHC engine,better suspension,steering system,
interior, could be a royal pain in the butt for PCNA
sales.

I think, even the Z06 might be a problem for Porsche.

I will not buy a 997TT or any of its derivatives if it should be slower than a Corvette. If I spend far in excess of Euro 150k for a new sportscar it has to be the fastest available. No need for expensive underperformers (like the Carrera GT was).

Expensive underperformer? Are you kidding me? The CGT holds the lap record for production cars at the ring. The fact that ferrari has not tested the Enzo there should raise more than a few eyeballs. If you go by Porsche's claimed straight line specs then maybe yo could call it an underperformer ( they said 0-60 in 3.9 yeah...in the wet, most mags tested it at 3.5) however it could almost match the Enzo's straight line pace and it handled better. By the way the spectacular enzo 0-60 times were acheived with launch control which could only be used 6 times for the life of the clutch. I know this is a rant, but don't ever disrespect the greatest car of all time (imo).

Just to name some examples:

- the official 0-200 kph time has not been confirmed in any German magazin test I know. All cars tested were slower.
- the 0-300 kph time is ca. 8 seconds slower (!) than the comparable Enzo number; even the SLR is several seconds quicker 0-300 than the GT...
- 7:32 is only about 10 seconds better than the GT2 Mk2 figure; also, cars designed and built by small niche players like Koenigsegg or Pagani are as quick or even quicker on the NBR.

I really consider the GT an underperformer for its price

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