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Apr 18, 2006 1:05:43 PM
- Alan(NJ)
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in an unscientific poll of local dealers in the NYC area
it appears that manuals are being ordered over tips at about a 2:1 ratio - not much different for than for the 996tt according to some knowledgable dealers. Wouldn't you think it would be the other way around because of traffic congestion? Here's my hypothesis - it makes more sense to order tips in countries or locations where speed is less restricted. It makes more sense to order a manual in places where you can't go that fast anyhow, so you might as well have the fun of rowing the gearbox.
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Alan(NJ) said:
it appears that manuals are being ordered over tips at about a 2:1 ratio - not much different for than for the 996tt according to some knowledgable dealers. Wouldn't you think it would be the other way around because of traffic congestion? Here's my hypothesis - it makes more sense to order tips in countries or locations where speed is less restricted. It makes more sense to order a manual in places where you can't go that fast anyhow, so you might as well have the fun of rowing the gearbox.
Manuals are also being ordered in countries, where you can drive over 200 km/h
Apr 18, 2006 1:24:12 PM
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Re: in an unscientific poll of local dealers in the NYC area
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Alan(NJ) said:
it appears that manuals are being ordered over tips at about a 2:1 ratio - not much different for than for the 996tt according to some knowledgable dealers. Wouldn't you think it would be the other way around because of traffic congestion? Here's my hypothesis - it makes more sense to order tips in countries or locations where speed is less restricted. It makes more sense to order a manual in places where you can't go that fast anyhow, so you might as well have the fun of rowing the gearbox.
mmh..
yes..but i think also traffic is important..
in countries with a lot of traffic maybe is better to take tip to use in auto mode,for delete the clutch and the left leg
but if i must buy a "automatic" 997 turbo due to the traffic is better that i buy another car
in fact i don't buy the Tip version of the turbo also becouse my fear is that due to the traffic where i live i end to use the tip only in auto mode..
but this is another story and i don't what to start another Tip vs manual thread..
I know only one thing:Porsche dealers have no explanation from Porsche about the 997 turbo + Tip gain in performance vs 997 Turbo + manual..
My dealer when i talk about that the 997 Turbo Tip will be more reactive and more "fast" than manual,look me like if i drink somenthing strange....
he know only that Tip is a little bit faster becouse he read this on the factory press release....but nothing of interesting like what tell us our friend RC..
i'm again on the manual..but the war is again open..
Apr 18, 2006 1:24:45 PM
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Re: poll: manual v. tip v. PDK
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997 Turbo is just fast...i think with manual you add pleasure to drive..
now RC kill me..
Yeap...I wanna be in control of my car when driving. Marginal gains in performance wont sway me from that, no matter how much faster tip or PDK will be
Apr 18, 2006 1:30:48 PM
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Re: in an unscientific poll of local dealers in the NYC area
[quoteI know only one thing:Porsche dealers have no explanation from Porsche about the 997 turbo + Tip gain in performance vs 997 Turbo + manual..
My dealer when i talk about that the 997 Turbo Tip will be more reactive and more "fast" than manual,look me like if i drink somenthing strange....
he know only that Tip is a little bit faster becouse he read this on the factory press release....but nothing of interesting like what tell us our friend RC..
True... I was at the dealers last week and I brought up the subject of the new GT2... "Who says there will be a 997 GT2" was the response I got...
Its cool to be able to let the Guys at the Porsche Centre over here learn a thing or 2 about the cars they are selling from me...
My dealer when i talk about that the 997 Turbo Tip will be more reactive and more "fast" than manual,look me like if i drink somenthing strange....
he know only that Tip is a little bit faster becouse he read this on the factory press release....but nothing of interesting like what tell us our friend RC..
True... I was at the dealers last week and I brought up the subject of the new GT2... "Who says there will be a 997 GT2" was the response I got...
Its cool to be able to let the Guys at the Porsche Centre over here learn a thing or 2 about the cars they are selling from me...
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Alan(NJ) said:
it appears that manuals are being ordered over tips at about a 2:1 ratio - not much different for than for the 996tt according to some knowledgable dealers. Wouldn't you think it would be the other way around because of traffic congestion? Here's my hypothesis - it makes more sense to order tips in countries or locations where speed is less restricted. It makes more sense to order a manual in places where you can't go that fast anyhow, so you might as well have the fun of rowing the gearbox.
I've heard only 20%ish of 996/997 sold in US have historically been Tips, even before the 997TT "Tip is faster" marketing.
Prob 90%+ of 997TT are sold in dense urban regions around US; IMO, 90%+ of 997TT buyers are about as clueless about cars as are 95%+ of SL55 buyers, so they'll order/buy whatever the salesguy pushes/discounts, anyway....
Let's not forget rennteam is a very skewed population; prob 90% of actual buyers of 997TT/SL55/430 aren't particularly car guys...they either use the 997TT/SL55 for daily commuting grind (w/an SUV as their "weekend" family-time car)...or the car is a special, sunny summer wkend car for use to drive w/the wife to the country club
....the fantasy stoplight drag races to prove one's manhood and runs through the twisties are prob more the stuff of chat boards and the buyers of used 997TTs..... 
And despite all the banter about allegedly higher speeds in EU, I suspect most of the 997TTs even in Germany are primarily used on traffic flow and speed lim-restricted sections of urban AB.....I'm amused by how much our pals in EU seem to know re: radar/laser detectors, which none of my fast-driving pals in SF seem to need to use (see 997 Board)
....Munich's rush hr AB speeds don't sound particularly different from those of SF's 280 fwy (if anything, Munich may be slower when adjusting for wintertime slowdowns)....
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Alan(NJ) said:
it appears that manuals are being ordered over tips at about a 2:1 ratio - not much different for than for the 996tt according to some knowledgable dealers. Wouldn't you think it would be the other way around because of traffic congestion? Here's my hypothesis - it makes more sense to order tips in countries or locations where speed is less restricted. It makes more sense to order a manual in places where you can't go that fast anyhow, so you might as well have the fun of rowing the gearbox.
I've heard only 20%ish of 996/997 sold in US have historically been Tips, even before the 997TT "Tip is faster" marketing.
Prob 90%+ of 997TT are sold in dense urban regions around US; IMO, 90%+ of 997TT buyers are about as clueless about cars as are 95%+ of SL55 buyers, so they'll order/buy whatever the salesguy pushes/discounts, anyway....
Let's not forget rennteam is a very skewed population; prob 90% of actual buyers of 997TT/SL55/430 aren't particularly car guys...they either use the 997TT/SL55 for daily commuting grind (w/an SUV as their "weekend" family-time car)...or the car is a special, sunny summer wkend car for use to drive w/the wife to the country club
And despite all the banter about allegedly higher speeds in EU, I suspect most of the 997TTs even in Germany are primarily used on traffic flow and speed lim-restricted sections of urban AB.....I'm amused by how much our pals in EU seem to know re: radar/laser detectors, which none of my fast-driving pals in SF seem to need to use (see 997 Board)
I think you almost know me. 05 SL55 ordered exactly the way I wanted it. ML500 for wet/snow days. ML63 on order. 997TT due in June/July. No country club thank you very much. Cruise with wifey in the SL55, but she will prob never ride in the 997TT because of
not allowing me to have fun. "Do that again and I'll puke in your car"
Re: "Do that again and I'll puke in your car"
love reading everyone's thoughts here (per the usual)--
i'm a 430 PDK-guy myself, but for time-being leaning more towards manual for 997tt despite all of RC's logic-mindedness...
that said, i'm with VKSF too--love the F almost in totality--i see life in duality for all its worth, no compromises~~
i'm a 430 PDK-guy myself, but for time-being leaning more towards manual for 997tt despite all of RC's logic-mindedness...
that said, i'm with VKSF too--love the F almost in totality--i see life in duality for all its worth, no compromises~~
Re: poll: manual v. tip v. PDK
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Super Darius said:
997 Turbo is just fast...i think with manual you add pleasure to drive..
now RC kill me..
Yeap...I wanna be in control of my car when driving. Marginal gains in performance wont sway me from that, no matter how much faster tip or PDK will be
Spoken like a true enthusiast, I wholeheartedly agree.
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Cruise with wifey in the SL55, but she will prob never ride in the 997TT because of
Look at it this way: That beats puking first and telling you about it afterwards.
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BC997J said:Quote:
Super Darius said:
997 Turbo is just fast...i think with manual you add pleasure to drive..
now RC kill me..
Yeap...I wanna be in control of my car when driving. Marginal gains in performance wont sway me from that, no matter how much faster tip or PDK will be
I agree....I don't buy all this fascination with PDK - type transmissions.
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BC997J said:Quote:
Super Darius said:
997 Turbo is just fast...i think with manual you add pleasure to drive..
now RC kill me..
Yeap...I wanna be in control of my car when driving. Marginal gains in performance wont sway me from that, no matter how much faster tip or PDK will be
I agree....I don't buy all this fascination with PDK - type transmissions.
These few post express/summrize very well my thougth on this issue -- Long live to manual tansmission!! I also find that PDK or tip makes you more passive -- so nice to change gears especially when you done it smoothly -- I found it more natural and fun to drve a manual transmision in small windind roads than tip or PDK. However when you race in competition I would definetely choose PDK as tranny because I could use the few hundreds of second it offers over a manual tranny. As it's not the case (competition) i can will only get manual on my sports cars unless i cant use my left leg!
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This poll says a lot about how the tip will fare once the PDK is out. That is of course assuming the PDK will be faster than tip.
For Porsche, the PDK will be a great boost when released as some people are definitly holding out for it (including myself), just when the initial rush for the 997TT slows down. Same thing with the "S" version. If anything, Porsche is the best at maxing out sales!
For Porsche, the PDK will be a great boost when released as some people are definitly holding out for it (including myself), just when the initial rush for the 997TT slows down. Same thing with the "S" version. If anything, Porsche is the best at maxing out sales!
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Mine too. The latest was "Does Mr Wiedeking's company make PSB? (Porsche Sports Bra) 
"I can't hold on to the car and these at the same time"
The roads near my parents are rather bumpy but I am compelled to use the car properly
The latest was "Does Mr Wiedeking's company make PSB? (Porsche Sports Bra) "I can't hold on to the car and these at the same time"
The roads near my parents are rather bumpy but I am compelled to use the car properly
Apr 22, 2006 10:16:40 PM
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Re: in an unscientific poll of local dealers in the NYC area
I already ordered my May Build. My original plan was to go for a tip. I live in seattle and drive 520 and well the traffic is just nasty. I Should really just take the bus. I had a 2001 TT/Tip. It sure made commuting easier. However, It just was not as fun to drive. I talked to wifey and she said tip all the way. So i ordered a 6 speed. Just seemed like the right thing to do. Damn the traffic.
My dealer in Dallas says 80% orders are for Tiptronic
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Alan(NJ) said:
it appears that manuals are being ordered over tips at about a 2:1 ratio - not much different for than for the 996tt according to some knowledgable dealers. Wouldn't you think it would be the other way around because of traffic congestion? Here's my hypothesis - it makes more sense to order tips in countries or locations where speed is less restricted. It makes more sense to order a manual in places where you can't go that fast anyhow, so you might as well have the fun of rowing the gearbox.
They were reallly disappointed when the initial allocations came out and only 12 tips were offered out of 2000 cars in the US. That has changed now, last week Porsche quietly released a lot of tips up for grabs and they were all gone within the day. Most of the customers at my dealership had passed on the manuals and people 20 deep on the list were going to get their cars first because of the tip issue. Some of them just got moved back because of the release of the tip cars. I was one of those people at the head of the line that refused the manual and now I have a July Tiptronic build.
Apr 23, 2006 4:59:26 AM
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Re: in an unscientific poll of local dealers in the NYC area
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997CarreraS said:
My original plan was to go for a tip...However, It just was not as fun to drive. I talked to wifey and she said tip all the way. So i ordered a 6 speed. Just seemed like the right thing to do. Damn the traffic.
That is the funniest [censored] thing Ive ever heard and it epitomises my thoughts on the tip. Brilliant!
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