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Feb 22, 2016 12:54:19 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: 911 R

RC:
bluelines:
To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special but it is the first.

The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

Big difference!

Which department is responsible for the R?

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Feb 22, 2016 1:06:18 PM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 911 R

bluelines:
RC:
bluelines:
To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special but it is the first.

The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

Big difference!

Which department is responsible for the R?

motorsport for the R and the sport classic by Porsche exclusive

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997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS

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Feb 22, 2016 1:08:37 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: LP997

Re: 911 R

LP997:
bluelines:
RC:
bluelines:
To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special but it is the first.

The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

Big difference!

Which department is responsible for the R?

motorsport for the R and the sport classic by Porsche exclusive

If this is correct, then it will be special. I asked this question here in the thread before, but so far it was silence...

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Feb 22, 2016 1:08:49 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59581, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: LP997

Re: 911 R

Actually, it is a combined project with the involvement of Porsche Motorsport but yes, Porsche Exclusive certainly had nothing to do with it this time. The entire tech of the 911 R comes mainly from the GT3, so this is no Sport Classic rip-off, not by a long shot.

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Feb 22, 2016 1:12:03 PM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: RC

Re: 911 R

RC:
En fait, il est un projet combiné avec la participation de Porsche Motorsport mais oui, Porsche Exclusive avait certainement rien à voir avec cette fois-ci. L'ensemble de la technologie de la 911 R provient principalement de la GT3, donc ce ne Sport Classic rip-off, non pas par un long shot.

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RC (Allemagne) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

Porsche Exclusive do the seats inserts Smiley

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Feb 22, 2016 1:34:27 PM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: LP997

Re: 911 R

LP997:
Porsche Exclusive do the seats inserts

Most likely, and the inserts adds 50% to the price... at least Smiley

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Feb 22, 2016 2:02:36 PM

pmarkow: Rennteam Pro; Loc: cambridge , United Kingdom; Posts: 2277, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 28, 2014; Reply to: RC

Re: 911 R

RC:
Actually, it is a combined project with the involvement of Porsche Motorsport but yes, Porsche Exclusive certainly had nothing to do with it this time. The entire tech of the 911 R comes mainly from the GT3, so this is no Sport Classic rip-off, not by a long shot.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

so what is special about a GT3 without rear wing and with funny seat cloth inserts?????

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Feb 22, 2016 2:03:35 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: pmarkow

Re: 911 R

pmarkow:
RC:
Actually, it is a combined project with the involvement of Porsche Motorsport but yes, Porsche Exclusive certainly had nothing to do with it this time. The entire tech of the 911 R comes mainly from the GT3, so this is no Sport Classic rip-off, not by a long shot.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

so what is special about a GT3 without rear wing and with funny seat cloth inserts?????

Manual gearbox for one...

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Feb 22, 2016 2:07:58 PM

pmarkow: Rennteam Pro; Loc: cambridge , United Kingdom; Posts: 2277, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 28, 2014; Reply to: Grant

Re: 911 R

Grant:
pmarkow:
RC:
Actually, it is a combined project with the involvement of Porsche Motorsport but yes, Porsche Exclusive certainly had nothing to do with it this time. The entire tech of the 911 R comes mainly from the GT3, so this is no Sport Classic rip-off, not by a long shot.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

so what is special about a GT3 without rear wing and with funny seat cloth inserts?????

Manual gearbox for one...

Smiley 12

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Feb 22, 2016 2:20:57 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: pmarkow

Re: 911 R

The manual gearbox is the single feature which so far really sticks out. The R is not going to be special because there is no rear wing and has Exclusive Dept seat inlays.

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Feb 22, 2016 2:47:09 PM

rickman: Junior; Loc: Paris , France; Posts: 68, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 1, 2016; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 911 R

letter to Porsche Santa-Claus

magnesium rims
ceramic brakes
magnesium roof,
wings, rear spoiler in carbon
lightweight doors
stripped interior
lexan glasses
headlight lightened
bucket seats
lithium battery
3.8 L 490 CV
Carrera 2 body Shell
sequential box (not only manual)
Very desirable classic look
1280 kg Max with AC 1260 without
250 k€ max

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Feb 22, 2016 2:55:47 PM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: rickman

Re: 911 R

Rickman:
lettre à Porsche Santa-Claus

jantes de magnésium

freins en céramique

toit de magnésium,

ailes, aileron arrière en carbone

portes légères

intérieur dépouillé

verres Lexan

phare allégé

sièges baquets

batterie au lithium

3.8 L 490 CV

Carrera 2 corps Shell

boîte séquentielle (non seulement manuel)

look classique très souhaitable

1280 kg Max avec AC 1260 sans

250 k € max

où vous l'avez? très intéressant son semble plus qu'un carrera simples ... Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley dream come true???

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Feb 22, 2016 3:01:05 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: LP997

Re: 911 R

Sounds awesome. Too bad it won't be like that angry indecision

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Feb 22, 2016 3:04:14 PM

rickman: Junior; Loc: Paris , France; Posts: 68, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 1, 2016; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 911 R

letter to Porsche Santa-Claus ...

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Feb 22, 2016 3:26:37 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: rickman

Re: 911 R

Indeed the R looks like a special car. But they didn't go far enough for the rumored price. And now they will make 911 of them?

PDK should be an option. And rear seats, maybe removable or as an option. All for less than $160k. Personally to make it really special I would also have chopped the roof and make it $250k. And real weight savings, not what is rumored...

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Feb 22, 2016 4:43:02 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21149, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 911 R

bluelines:
RC:
bluelines:
To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special but it is the first.

The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

Big difference!

Which department is responsible for the R?

Accounting department? Smiley Smiley

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Feb 22, 2016 4:45:29 PM

lukestern: Expert; Loc: Somewhere , United Kingdom; Posts: 1377, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 15, 2005; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: 911 R

Carlos from Spain:
bluelines:
RC:
bluelines:
To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special but it is the first.

The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

Big difference!

Which department is responsible for the R?

Accounting department?

Or Marketing Department Smiley

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Feb 22, 2016 5:13:52 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: lukestern

Re: 911 R

Lukas:
Carlos from Spain:
bluelines:
RC:
bluelines:
To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special but it is the first.

The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

Big difference!

Which department is responsible for the R?

Accounting department?

Or Marketing Department

Let's hope not. Then the R will undoubtedly stand for Rip-off or (engine-)Reuse Smiley

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Feb 22, 2016 6:05:41 PM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 911 R

Link for th R presentation Geneva - 1 march 9H25 A.M

http://porsche.gomexlive.com/?lang=en

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997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS

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Feb 22, 2016 6:08:58 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: LP997

Re: 911 R

Very excited! Think the press release will come first?

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Feb 22, 2016 6:12:08 PM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: Grant

Re: 911 R

Grant:
Very excited! Think the press release will come first?

yes the press embargo is finished monday ;) i think we see some pictures in monday (journey)

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997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS

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Feb 22, 2016 6:30:19 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: LP997

Re: 911 R

Someone says it will have the Metzger from the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l. This would make the gearbox choice simple If true, then truly special!

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Feb 22, 2016 6:32:58 PM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 911 R

bluelines:
Someone says it will have the Metzger from the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l. This would make the gearbox choice simple If true, then truly special!

Not posible the 4.0l metzger is not conform at the new euro 6 norm...Bullshit!!

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Feb 22, 2016 6:38:53 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: LP997

Re: 911 R

I guess so, unfortunately surprise That engine and gearbox would have made the R truly special.

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Feb 22, 2016 6:40:57 PM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 911 R

bluelines:
I guess so, unfortunately That engine and gearbox would have made the R truly special.

just the 991 RS motor and manual or sequential gearbox Smiley Smiley seems enough special for me Smiley

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Feb 22, 2016 6:46:36 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: LP997

Re: 911 R

A PDK with manual shifter does not feel much special to be honest.

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Feb 22, 2016 6:56:30 PM

TB993tt: Rennteam Pro; Loc: manchester , United Kingdom; Posts: 2280, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: 911 R

RC:

The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

Big difference!

The 991 GT3 engine is a lot cheaper to produce than the 997 GT3 Mezger, I feel this is an important factor in why the 911R gets the 991 GT3 motor, it doesn't cost that much more than the regular 9A1 Dfi motor. Putting a Mezger GT3 in the 007 sport classic would have added what ? 20K + to the production cost and unnecessary particularly as Porsche likes profit margin so much Smiley

It would have been a much greater deal if the sport classic had got the Mezger making the car much more special, it is interesting to muse whether or not this would have affected the current high resale values at all - my guess is probably not much, collectors like rarity, little else.

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Feb 22, 2016 7:14:27 PM

otisdog: Junior; Loc: Sierra Madre, California , United States; Posts: 51, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 1, 2008; Reply to: TB993tt

Re: 911 R

Monday or March 1?

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Feb 22, 2016 7:22:10 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: otisdog

Re: 911 R

April 1? smiley

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Feb 22, 2016 7:46:52 PM

Nacelle1: Junior; Loc: Cascadian Corridor , Canada; Posts: 103, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 21, 2015; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 911 R

bluelines:
April 1?

LOL.... might as well be

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