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Feb 16, 2016 4:05:53 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006

919 Engine

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/technology/porsche-motorsports-turbo-four-cylinder-engine-919-hybrid-12226.html

Another gem of a race engine from Porsche. Too bad it will likely not see any road duties ever.

In race tune, 500HP from 2.0L, say gives it a 30% haircut for reliability and it will still puts out 350HP. But like the 918's V8, this little guy is also designed as a hybrid engine from the grounds up, so will need a hybrid system to operate.

But being a V4, that means it won't fit in a 911 or a Boxster/Cayman, only platform capable of accommodate it will be the Cayenne and Panamera.

Or, perhaps a 918-lite, a hybrid 960 with around 550-600HP total.

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Feb 16, 2016 6:45:20 PM

kudryavchik: Expert; Loc: Moscow , Russia; Posts: 1862, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 18, 2011; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 919 Engine

Unfortunately, the picture doesn't show the location of turbine and ERS unit - seems to be secret.

By rumors this engine can give about 700hp. Total power of ICE+Hybrid - 1350hp.

None of the series car will get this engine or even something close. Its like to put Mercedes PU106 unit into mercedes c classe))) No way.

Strictly stressed race engine unit made of aluminium billet (its not standard cast aluminium block) which costs as possibly 18 918 porsches for a season (5 or 4 engines per season are allowed)

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Feb 16, 2016 11:30:59 PM

vantagesc: Pilot; Loc: U.S. , United States; Posts: 486, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 26, 2010; Reply to: kudryavchik

Re: 919 Engine

^ The block is gorgeous.

This is purely academic, but a V-4 probably could fit in a Cayman, you just wouldn't have the same parcel shelf over the engine you have now, no? All the hybrid stuff aside.

WAG really needs to allow the Fe-Fi.

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Feb 17, 2016 12:14:59 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: vantagesc

Re: 919 Engine

The black cover is the 'front' facing forward, the big red cover is the air intake, the little red cover below it is the oil exit from the block's integrated oil pump.

With the exhaust angling upwards, we can deuced the turbo will be above the transmission, and the ERS inline with the turbine.

I think this is the future of Porsche engines, doing away with belt driven accessories, like the 918. The engine will drive it's own oil pump and that's it. Everything else can run off the hybrid circuit. This provides quite a bit more flexibility in placement of accessories, as they no longer needed to be physically attached to the engine. Also helps with engine efficiency too, as electric accessories only needs to be powered and used as needed, instead of being driven all the time.

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Feb 17, 2016 1:13:30 AM

EnglishManInNY: Expert; Loc: Long Island NY. , United States; Posts: 1477, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 8, 2003; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 919 Engine

Now this is a beauty!

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Feb 17, 2016 1:29:05 AM

apias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: United States , United States; Posts: 2608, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 23, 2013; Reply to: EnglishManInNY

Re: 919 Engine

Does anyone know the overall dimensions, just to get a sense of scale?

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Feb 17, 2016 2:52:37 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: apias

Re: 919 Engine

A Subaru 2.0L engine would be a good size estimate, this thing probably is smaller.

The Subaru flat 4 is 430mm from pulley to back of motor, 830mm edge of cam cover to edge of cam cover, and 600mm tall from bottom of sump pan to top of throttle body.

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Feb 17, 2016 8:10:48 AM

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 4100, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 19, 2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 919 Engine

I have read that with the new electric Turbo Generation 256 HP per Liter is "easy" do-able on a 4 cylinder - now Combine this with the help of a Little hybrid tech and a few batteries (48v) and you have easily 650 HP - with even lower emissions than today

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Feb 17, 2016 8:36:35 AM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7062, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: BjoernB

Re: 919 Engine

BjoernB:
I have read that with the new electric Turbo Generation 256 HP per Liter is "easy" do-able on a 4 cylinder - now Combine this with the help of a Little hybrid tech and a few batteries (48v) and you have easily 650 HP - with even lower emissions than today

It would still sound like crap though... Smiley

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Feb 18, 2016 10:37:51 PM

GT2Driver: Newbie; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 36, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 23, 2004; Reply to: BjoernB

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Bjoern,
Most interesting fact about the Electric Turbo generation. Do you remember where you read it?

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Feb 19, 2016 7:02:06 PM

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 4100, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 19, 2004; Reply to: GT2Driver

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IF I am not mistaken in one of the recent EVO magazines

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Feb 19, 2016 7:04:36 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Porker

Re: 919 Engine

Porker:
BjoernB:
I have read that with the new electric Turbo Generation 256 HP per Liter is "easy" do-able on a 4 cylinder - now Combine this with the help of a Little hybrid tech and a few batteries (48v) and you have easily 650 HP - with even lower emissions than today

It would still sound like crap though...

Electric turbos do not clog the exhaust, so they sound more like NA (actually supercharged). But it would sound like a 4-cyl...

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Feb 19, 2016 7:23:57 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Grant

Re: 919 Engine

2 kinds. One is purely driven by electricity, those are actually called electric supercharger.

The other kind is a conventional turbo driven by exhaust gas, but a electric motor keep the turbine spinning while off boost or spool it up first to build boost.

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Feb 20, 2016 6:44:49 AM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 919 Engine

very sexy engine, thanks for sharing, looks high-tech kiss

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