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    997tt vs. 599 gtb

    How do you think the performance and handling of these two cars will compare. According to one web site, the gtb weighs only 3482 lbs. This is about the same as the turbo but with 620 horsepower instead of 480. Granted the turbo has slightly more torque with the sport chrono activated.

    Re: 997tt vs. 599 gtb

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    trip said:
    How do you think the performance and handling of these two cars will compare. According to one web site, the gtb weighs only 3482 lbs. This is about the same as the turbo but with 620 horsepower instead of 480. Granted the turbo has slightly more torque with the sport chrono activated.



    I don't know but do the words "apples" and "oranges" ring a bell?

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    Trip, may I sugguest you refrain from asking these types of questions as you'll get a typical smart arse comment from RC who's as useful as a hole on a boat..

    I know cause I've been there.

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    lavaman23 said:
    Trip, may I sugguest you refrain from asking these types of questions as you'll get a typical smart arse comment from RC who's as useful as a hole on a boat..

    I know cause I've been there.



    You get the response, deserving of the question.
    Regarding "smart arses", RC is definitely smart and has also answered the question appropriately, befitting its quality.
    If you want to come out as an "arse", go ahead, but don't call RC that.

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    Who's as usefull as a hole in a boat??

    If it wasnt for him and CR you wouldnt have this site to make those crappy lines . You've been around for what, 2 years and yet you still stick around even though 1 of the guys responsible for this site is "as usefull as a hole in a boat"??

    Like crash said, looks like you're the one thats acting like an arse.

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    As to the question originally asked:
    Trip, the TT and 599 are not nearly in the same class.
    The 599 costs much more.
    TT should be compared to F430. Like the 996TT was compared to the 360Modena and not the 555M.


    For what it is, I think the 599 will be faster, at least while on the move...I think the Turbo will hold it over a quarter mile

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    BC997J said:
    As to the question originally asked:
    Trip, the TT and 599 are not nearly in the same class.
    The 599 costs much more.
    TT should be compared to F430. Like the 996TT was compared to the 360Modena and not the 555M.


    For what it is, I think the 599 will be faster, at least while on the move...I think the Turbo will hold it over a quarter mile



    I can't understand this logic...
    Why is it that the price of the turbo comes into play whenever it is being compared to a Ferrari but when we discuss the Z06 to the Carrera S it becomes a "the Z06 should be compared the TT as both are the top of the line models"
    Not trying to start another argument about this but it just seems strange when we compare autos that can outperform the TT that for one reason or another it isn't comparable to the TT.

    Do some of you work for Porsche's marketing or their dealerships?

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    Sorry dude... I never thought about that... Its just that I'm so used to comparing the 996Turbo to the 360 modena that I used that same logic in this thread.
    I understand what your saying, but I dont really think a potential buyer would be choosing between a Turbo and a 559GTB (In my oppinion).
    The 599's "enemy" will be the upcoming Panamera i think.

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    If I could afford it I'd have to have a 599. I mean, just look at it. Plus an Enzo motor. And rarity.Wow.

    I mean worthy though a TT undoubtedly is, it's one of many 997's. A 599 is related to...an Enzo-only by the motor.

    Special? As series production cars go do they get more special?

    I could I suppose stretch to a TT but I am choosing a 997 GT3 for it's purity. But if I could afford to buy a 599 I'd know I'd be buying something truly special. But I suppose if I could afford a 599 then I'd have to do a 997s for Monday to friday

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    I think one way to look at whether you can compare two cars are:

    1) will the potential buyer seriously consider buying either model? And by serious, I mean on the fence. And this will depend on 2) below...

    2) are the cars roughly the same as far as weight, luxury, performance, purpose, price, and status?

    Z06 versus a 997TT: Not comparable mainly due to price differential and status. If a buyer can afford a 997TT, they probably can afford a F430, so this is comparable. They don't have the same number of seats, but everything else is comparable. Some may say the status is higher for a Ferrari, especially in the U.S. And the F430 has only two seats. But the two cars are fairly close, otherwise.

    997TT versus the 559GTB: Not comparable for the same reasons. If the buyer can afford the 559GTB, they probably are looking for something else in the 559GTB price range (maybe the Panamera).

    So, SoCalHoosier, in my opinion, if anything, the 997/997S should be compared to the Z06, not the 997TT. The potential buyer of the 997/997S might decide to opt out for the Z06 instead. There is some argument that these two cars are not identical because of the number of seats. But the weight of the two cars are roughly the same and the purpose of both cars are roughly the same (ie., both are designed for more spirited driving and less on luxury). As for status, the 997/997S would still carry the cachet, but this may be offset by the performance advantage that the Z06 has.

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    somebody in the market for a 599 will not even consider a 997 turbo as an alternative. he will consider it as a second car or just another car in a collection but not as a direct alternative.

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    I think they are comparable; they both are 2+2 and have a GT style to them. As far as price goes, it shouldn't dictate the comparisons. He asked about performance not cache. I think handling, quarter mile acceleration, safety, utility, and dependability will go to the 997TT. The GTB will probably win from 0-190mph. In regards to the arse comment, it was out of line. I too am guilty of saying things that were inappropriate, but saying that to RC shows lack of respect. If you don't like his comments you shouldn't participate, no one is forced to take part in this (in my opinion) awesome forum.

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    Better question: 997tt vs. Z06

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    Better question. If you didn't want to answer my simple question than why the hell did you post in this topic? I asked a legitimate question and got a bunch of smart ass answers (some where helpful, thankyou for that). I realize they are not in the sam price bracket, but are comparable in performance statistics. That is why I asked the question. As for those of you who wanted me to ask the question of what is faster 997tt or f430 I ask you how many times have we talked about that. I had not seen anyone compare the 997tt to the 599 so I went ahead and asked. I know I may be a newbie to this forum but that does not make my opinion or knowledge of cars meaningless. Some of you need to get off you high horse. The arogance on this board gets pretty sickening.

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    What a RUF welcome. I am not the most knowledgeable on this site, but I didn't see why we couldn't compare them. Welcome aboard Trip.

    Re: 997tt vs. 599 gtb

    Thanks Rhino

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    Crash said:
    Quote:
    lavaman23 said:
    Trip, may I sugguest you refrain from asking these types of questions as you'll get a typical smart arse comment from RC who's as useful as a hole on a boat..

    I know cause I've been there.



    You get the response, deserving of the question. Regarding "smart arses", RC is definitely smart and has also answered the question appropriately, befitting its quality.



    Why is that crash? You get the response deserving of the question? So, if someone asks what you deem to be a "stupid question", then the response should be sarcastic, etc? What does that prove? Other than making the poster feel like crap, especially a new one? Nothing against RC or anyone else, I just don't see the benefit in that, for anybody.

    Re: 997tt vs. 599 gtb

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    trip said:
    How do you think the performance and handling of these two cars will compare. According to one web site, the gtb weighs only 3482 lbs. This is about the same as the turbo but with 620 horsepower instead of 480. Granted the turbo has slightly more torque with the sport chrono activated.



    They are about equally fast to 62 mph, but the 599 GTB is 1 second faster than the 997 Turbo from 62-124 mph, as it should considering that it is almost twice as expensive.
    (0-124 mph for the Turbo is 12.2 with Tiptronic, the 599 does it in 11 sec.)

    The 599 will probably be easier/more fun to drive fast and be better balanced because of its front engine - rear wheel drive layout. And you just can't beat a large naturally aspired engine, VTG or no VTG. VTG is impressive, but a 6-liter V12 that revs to 8400 rpm - now that's impressive

    But the Turbo will rule in slippery conditions, probably have better build quality, lower costs and is the best buy..

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    Temm thats how I expected them to compare, thanks for actually answering my question. And dont worry Gregr I dont take the personal attacks personally as I havenever met some of the characters on this website but thanks for sticking up for me.

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    greggr107 said:
    Quote:
    Crash said:
    Quote:
    lavaman23 said:
    Trip, may I sugguest you refrain from asking these types of questions as you'll get a typical smart arse comment from RC who's as useful as a hole on a boat..

    I know cause I've been there.



    You get the response, deserving of the question. Regarding "smart arses", RC is definitely smart and has also answered the question appropriately, befitting its quality.



    Why is that crash? You get the response deserving of the question? So, if someone asks what you deem to be a "stupid question", then the response should be sarcastic, etc? What does that prove? Other than making the poster feel like crap, especially a new one? Nothing against RC or anyone else, I just don't see the benefit in that, for anybody.



    Front-engined Ferraris and 911s were never competition to each other, neither by price or performance. If Ferrari claims 3500 lbs, add 2-300 lbs on top of that to get the true weight.
    RC gave a simple answer, but not insulting Mr. Trip in any way. My response was meant generally, you normally receive an adequate response to your type of question here. 599 vs. 997TT? Apples and oranges if you ask me. On top of that, nobody here knows yet how the 599 handles, so it seems a bit pointless, although the Turbo will be superior in the curves, as always.

    As for Mr. Trip, I didn't launch any kind of personal attack at you and did not mean to insult you in any way (if I did, I'm sorry), just so there are no hard feelings.

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    No hard feelings, dont worry about it.

    Re: 997tt vs. 599 gtb

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    SoCal Alan said:
    I think one way to look at whether you can compare two cars are:

    1) will the potential buyer seriously consider buying either model? And by serious, I mean on the fence. And this will depend on 2) below...

    2) are the cars roughly the same as far as weight, luxury, performance, purpose, price, and status?

    Z06 versus a 997TT: Not comparable mainly due to price differential and status. If a buyer can afford a 997TT, they probably can afford a F430, so this is comparable. They don't have the same number of seats, but everything else is comparable. Some may say the status is higher for a Ferrari, especially in the U.S. And the F430 has only two seats. But the two cars are fairly close, otherwise.

    997TT versus the 559GTB: Not comparable for the same reasons. If the buyer can afford the 559GTB, they probably are looking for something else in the 559GTB price range (maybe the Panamera).

    So, SoCalHoosier, in my opinion, if anything, the 997/997S should be compared to the Z06, not the 997TT. The potential buyer of the 997/997S might decide to opt out for the Z06 instead. There is some argument that these two cars are not identical because of the number of seats. But the weight of the two cars are roughly the same and the purpose of both cars are roughly the same (ie., both are designed for more spirited driving and less on luxury). As for status, the 997/997S would still carry the cachet, but this may be offset by the performance advantage that the Z06 has.



    I agree with this...

    But the 997S can make it to nearly 30k more, and still be under-powered compared to the Z06... I think the Z06 definatly compares to the Ford GT, which is over 110k... The Chevy simply lacks quality which keeps it cheaper than the rest.

     
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