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Re: 911 R
Some reliable informations:
- hood and roof from GT3RS
- I have told you at least ten times GT3 engine and manual
- GT3 and rest 991 assembly parts - so not very expensive in buildung
and now something I could not believe and maybe not so reliable, price under GT3RS and above GT3.
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Re: 911 R
ALDO:Some reliable informations:
- hood and roof from GT3RS
- I have told you at least ten times GT3 engine and manual
- GT3 and rest 991 assembly parts - so not very expensive in buildungand now something I could not believe and maybe not so reliable, price under GT3RS and above GT3.
I think the car is light ( lightweight carpet etc..) GT3 RS parts etc... for the price i have some doubt above a GT3...I think more than 200k
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997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS
Re: 911 R
Yes, lightweight by omitting insulation and using GT3RS materials. Also the car will get special interiour color. The car will be build form standard assembly parts (GT3 most, some GT3RS parts and the rest normal 991.1 parts).
About the price I was very confused, from a very reliable source I have heard 190.000 €. I didn´t ask with or without German VAT (19%). A price between GT3 and GT3RS is for me unbelievable but that what I have heard.
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Re: 911 R
ALDO:
About the price I was very confused, from a very reliable source I have heard 190.000 €. I didn´t ask with or without German VAT (19%). A price between GT3 and GT3RS is for me unbelievable but that what I have heard.
If it is only a parts bin between 991 m Gt3 and some Gt3 RS , the price would make sense
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964 Carrera 4 -- 997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991 GT3 RS
Re: 911 R
ALDO:and now something I could not believe and maybe not so reliable, price under GT3RS and above GT3.
That is what I heard also ($150k - $160k). In US, GT3 is $131k and RS is $175k
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16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
Re: 911 R
DaveC:The price of $160K USD is not c/w previous limited editions like the Speedster or the non US Sport Classic, but perhaps there is a first time for everything.
The RS 4.0 was $180k and was probably more special than the R...
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16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
Re: 911 R
Grant:DaveC:The price of $160K USD is not c/w previous limited editions like the Speedster or the non US Sport Classic, but perhaps there is a first time for everything.
The RS 4.0 was $180k and was probably more special than the R...
You have the final spec of the car? me i have just rumor...Wait Geneva and ok after say me is more special than an RS 4.0 ok? ;)
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997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS
Re: 911 R
LP997:Grant:DaveC:The price of $160K USD is not c/w previous limited editions like the Speedster or the non US Sport Classic, but perhaps there is a first time for everything.
The RS 4.0 was $180k and was probably more special than the R...
You have the final spec of the car? me i have just rumor...Wait Geneva and ok after say me is more special than an RS 4.0 ok? ;)
The R won't have a 'special' engine like the 4.0 in the 997 RS 4.0 version. It will run on the 'regular' GT3 3.8L engine for one.
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Re: 911 R
Whoopsy:LP997:Grant:DaveC:The price of $160K USD is not c/w previous limited editions like the Speedster or the non US Sport Classic, but perhaps there is a first time for everything.
The RS 4.0 was $180k and was probably more special than the R...
You have the final spec of the car? me i have just rumor...Wait Geneva and ok after say me is more special than an RS 4.0 ok? ;)
The R won't have a 'special' engine like the 4.0 in the 997 RS 4.0 version. It will run on the 'regular' GT3 3.8L engine for one.
You have this information from?
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997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS
Re: 911 R
This is starting to sound almost logical.... amazing.
However if the next GT3 becomes available with a manual option, as is rumored, it would definitely clutter the space. The R would need to be blessed with many other or extra tidbits to keep a special place in the lineup which is what it is looking to be. BUT if the next GT3 is only PDK I can't picture the somewhat lower price level for the R as is being suggested...
Jax
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2010 997.2 GT3 2012 987.2 S BE #262/987 2016 981 GT4
Re: 911 R
SciFrog:Hence the need for the 911R to have rear seats...
If the R's mission is "as light as possible" then rear seats should not be included (unless optional).
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16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
Re: 911 R
Grant:SciFrog:Hence the need for the 911R to have rear seats...If the R's mission is "as light as possible" then rear seats should not be included (unless optional).
the more light is possible, the principal interest of the car. I have convinced that Porsche keep the R spirit... lightweight car with a big motor ( 4.0 or 3.8) i dream to have the 4.0 :)
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997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS
Re: 911 R
SciFrog:Even the RS is not a light car. So what if the R sheds 50lbs, it won't really change anything. Look at the Spyder, they didn't really make it lighter...
RS has huge wheels/tires/brakes and very wide body with heavy gearbox and RWS (and large battery required by rws). R will have none of that, afaik.
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16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
Re: 911 R
SciFrog:The GT3 and GT3 RS have the same weight... So basically a narrow body GT3 with some of the weight savings applied to the RS? 60lbs?
Manual Gearbox alone is 66 pounds. Smaller wheels/tires/brakes can make a big difference (especially to unsprung & rotating mass). Standard Lightweight battery can save at least 30 pounds (can be smaller than optional lightweight batt in RS), etc...
I think something quite close to GT4 weight is possible (officially under 3,000)
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16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
Re: 911 R
SciFrog:So 100lbs. 3% of the weight of the car...
I'm thinking around 150 lbs (don't forget to deduct weight for wheels/tires/brakes - smaller standard PCCB's?). Remember that each pound of rotating/unsprung mass lost has the effect of losing many pounds (thinking around 7 or 8, IIRC). It could feel quite different (more than the number imply).
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16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
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