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    Mar 2, 2017 4:29:02 PM

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    Re: OFFICIAL: Panamera Sport Turismo expands the Panamera model line

    Joost:

    Yet I think it will sell like hot cakes... the normal panamera doesn't really make sense anymore now, does it?
    Apart from the looks (which I think was never a strongsuit of the panamera anyway), why would you chose a regulare panny over the sportturismo now?

    So what happens when the new Cayenne appears? Smiley

    Weight should be similar. Smiley


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    Mar 2, 2017 4:43:25 PM

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    Re: OFFICIAL: Panamera Sport Turismo expands the Panamera model line

    Hm, I think the target audience for SUVs and Luxury Sedans/Limousines/Station wagons only partially overlap.

    In the Netherlands, SUVs are mostly bought by A) affluent women, and B) contractors (is that what you call it in English? People who own a business that builds houses, etc?).
    Luxury sedans like the Panamera are mostly being driven by owners/CEOs/Upper management of larger companies and the like.


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    Mar 2, 2017 4:43:29 PM

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    BiTurbo:

    As usual.....no comment angry

    Unladen weight (DIN): 2,035 kg

     

    Macan turbo DIN 1925kg...

    Why are the Panamera so heavy, even the new generations?

    Mar 2, 2017 4:53:46 PM

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    I prefer the normal Panamera, with the 2+1 rear seat configuration it would be perfect.


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    Mar 2, 2017 7:26:57 PM

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    I love it !


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    Mar 2, 2017 7:30:21 PM

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    This is a ugly S.. of a b.. ! angelmail 

    Mar 2, 2017 8:44:41 PM

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    Re: OFFICIAL: Panamera Sport Turismo expands the Panamera model line

    True, RC, I am an admirer of the Porsche brand in general, but I would not buy many of its current model line--Macan, basic 991.2 Carrera, Boxster, or entry level Panamera or Cayenne.  And I have been consistent over the years by posting that I did no like the original Sport Turismo concept.

    But to be honest with myself, guess I have to admit that I am a Porsche nut for Turbo versions with extravagant options! wink

    Mar 2, 2017 9:18:49 PM

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    Wonderbar:

    True, RC, I am an admirer of the Porsche brand in general, but I would not buy many of its current model line--Macan, basic 991.2 Carrera, Boxster, or entry level Panamera or Cayenne.  And I have been consistent over the years by posting that I did no like the original Sport Turismo concept.

    But to be honest with myself, guess I have to admit that I am a Porsche nut for Turbo versions with extravagant options! wink

    Smiley Smiley


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    Mar 2, 2017 9:22:14 PM

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    Mar 2, 2017 9:57:55 PM

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    So the Sport Turismo is only 40 kg heavier than the regular Panamera? Not bad. It is hardly to believe though, so we need to see first review weight figures first.


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    Mar 2, 2017 10:14:42 PM

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    Re: OFFICIAL: Panamera Sport Turismo expands the Panamera model line

    RC:

    So the Sport Turismo is only 40 kg heavier than the regular Panamera? Not bad. It is hardly to believe though, so we need to see first review weight figures first.

    The weight in the back will help with the front/rear balance too.  Is there more total weight on the front or rear axle?


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    Mar 2, 2017 11:58:15 PM

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    I guess the requirement for the design was "Make it even less attractive than the first generation Panamera". indecision

    Seriously speaking, the new Panamera, and it comprises this Sport Turismo version, is the first Porsche that totally underwhelms me for as long as I can remember.  And I include the 996, Gen 1 Cayenne and Gen 1 Panamera, all of which I was not crazy about but even then I was not that disappointed.  Heavy and expensive car that is big and looks big.

    Mar 3, 2017 5:43:17 AM

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    olli:

    The proportions look odd again, basically the car looks too long relative to its width (even though that is quite substantial). Somehow this ruins the fix Porsche applied to the design of the Gen 2 base Panamera compared to Gen1.

    As mentioned previously, it reminds me a bit of a hearse, particularly in dark colours...

    +1

    Mar 3, 2017 6:04:12 AM

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    Surprised that we're more than 24 hours into things and the Sport Turismo model pages, configurator and PDF brochure still aren't up on Porsche's website aside from the silly special page. At least Jaguar Land Rover is on top of things; the moment they announced the Velar [or any of their other cars for that matter], all the pages and downloads were up within seconds.

    Shame.

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    Mar 3, 2017 7:10:04 AM

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    From the photos and its prices..... there are better things to spend money on....  Get a SUV that's what I said.  The Line are soo boring, and not what I expected.  very safe design I must say.   the that 2+1 is more like 2+0.5........   pointless when u have to spread ur legs like that.....  

    Mar 3, 2017 7:31:20 AM

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    From the photos and its prices..... there are better things to spend money on....  Get a SUV that's what I said.  The Line are soo boring, and not what I expected.  very safe design I must say.   the that 2+1 is more like 2+0.5........   pointless when u have to spread ur legs like that.....  

    Someone at Porsche is in love with bears, expect Porsche to submit to the UN an anti-discrimination documents against stuffed dolls in the future Smiley

    Mar 3, 2017 8:16:39 AM

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    too much station wagon too little sport tourismo


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    Mar 3, 2017 8:24:31 AM

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    RC:

    So the Sport Turismo is only 40 kg heavier than the regular Panamera? Not bad. It is hardly to believe though, so we need to see first review weight figures first.

    I accept this. The Panamera is almost a station wagon. Just the side panels are higher. And the Panamera rear window is bigger - so this gives some weight advantage. All together there shouldn't be much weight difference. 

    Mar 3, 2017 11:03:19 AM

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    huangester:

    From the photos and its prices..... there are better things to spend money on....  Get a SUV that's what I said.  The Line are soo boring, and not what I expected.  very safe design I must say.   the that 2+1 is more like 2+0.5........   pointless when u have to spread ur legs like that.....  

    For me, the next gen Cayenne Turbo S makes more sense from various points of view but for those who don't like SUVs, the Sport Turismo may be the alternative. 

    I wonder what the chances of such a car are in the US? Any idea? Would Americans buy this over a SUV? Smiley


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    Mar 3, 2017 2:11:17 PM

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    I can easily envision people buying the Sport Turismo as an alternative to another Panamera model.  I cannot envision anyone choosing the ST over any of the Porsche SUV offerings.  I don't have a lot of emotion over this Panamera variant one way or another.  Not ugly, not very attractive either.  Large, but how could it be otherwise? Seems exactly what one would expect including the price.  Anything more exotic would carry an equally exotic price that Porsche cannot pull off in its market niche which is affluent middle class.


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    Mar 3, 2017 5:08:58 PM

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    Wow, a lot of negative comments, which is a good thing as that means there will not be a lot of these on the road.indecision

    My ex-Panamera was the most comfortable driving car in my lineup before, but I hate the tiny trunk space.  This one without the luggage cover should provide better space with the advantage of the higher back roof line.

    Yes, Cayenne will provide better utility but the driving experience with sedan is quite different than an SUV.  I never cross shop a sedan vs SUV.

    After saying so much, Yes, I had put in deposit for a 4 E-hybrid sport turismo yesterday.  Should I go blue again, or silver, or white...


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    Mar 3, 2017 5:32:15 PM

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    Congrats!


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    Mar 3, 2017 5:42:23 PM

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    Grant:

    Congrats!

    Thanks Grant.  I hope buying this will push my chance of getting the .2GT3 higher Smiley

    Apparently, my dealer said there are a few customers that will trade in their .1GT3 or RS for this .2GT3, and these people will have a higher chance getting it over me (with no trade in)...


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    Mar 3, 2017 6:31:56 PM

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    At a little over 18 cu ft cargo capacity behind second row, not 50#  dog friendly....too bad.


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    intouch1:

    too much station wagon too little sport tourismo

    Exactly Smiley

     

     

    Mar 4, 2017 11:20:40 AM

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    Targa Tim:

    Wow, a lot of negative comments, which is a good thing as that means there will not be a lot of these on the road.indecision

    My ex-Panamera was the most comfortable driving car in my lineup before, but I hate the tiny trunk space.  This one without the luggage cover should provide better space with the advantage of the higher back roof line.

    Yes, Cayenne will provide better utility but the driving experience with sedan is quite different than an SUV.  I never cross shop a sedan vs SUV.

    After saying so much, Yes, I had put in deposit for a 4 E-hybrid sport turismo yesterday.  Should I go blue again, or silver, or white...

     

    You will have the only one in Vancouver, only one in the province, only one in Canada and only one in the whole world with that choice Smiley


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    Targa Tim:

    Wow, a lot of negative comments, which is a good thing as that means there will not be a lot of these on the road.indecision

    My ex-Panamera was the most comfortable driving car in my lineup before, but I hate the tiny trunk space.  This one without the luggage cover should provide better space with the advantage of the higher back roof line.

    Yes, Cayenne will provide better utility but the driving experience with sedan is quite different than an SUV.  I never cross shop a sedan vs SUV.

    After saying so much, Yes, I had put in deposit for a 4 E-hybrid sport turismo yesterday.  Should I go blue again, or silver, or white...

     

    You will have the only one in Vancouver, only one in the province, only one in Canada and only one in the whole world with that choice Smiley

    Smiley. The 4 E-hybrid Sport Turismo will probably outsell the Turbo S. The 4 E-hybrid seems like a bargain compared to the Turbo S since it has the same E-performance package at a fraction of the price. And most people probably don't necessarily need the full 680hp and can live with only 462hp in a daily driver Smiley

    For color choice, I would actually get it in silver. Think the Panamera looks great in lighter colors based on what I've seen at my local dealership and on the roads Smiley

    Mar 4, 2017 5:57:00 PM

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    Whoopsy:

    You will have the only one in Vancouver, only one in the province, only one in Canada and only one in the whole world with that choice Smiley

    Since I don't have 918 or 911R, I need to collect something that is more rare than you Smiley


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    Mar 4, 2017 6:09:54 PM

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    Whoopsy:

    You will have the only one in Vancouver, only one in the province, only one in Canada and only one in the whole world with that choice Smiley

    Smiley. The 4 E-hybrid Sport Turismo will probably outsell the Turbo S. The 4 E-hybrid seems like a bargain compared to the Turbo S since it has the same E-performance package at a fraction of the price. And most people probably don't necessarily need the full 680hp and can live with only 462hp in a daily driver Smiley

    Don't worry Luke.

    Nick is a cocky guy.  This is his normal way of talking to his friends. Smiley


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    Mar 5, 2017 1:13:54 PM

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    Targa Tim:

    Wow, a lot of negative comments, which is a good thing as that means there will not be a lot of these on the road.indecision

    My ex-Panamera was the most comfortable driving car in my lineup before, but I hate the tiny trunk space.  This one without the luggage cover should provide better space with the advantage of the higher back roof line.

    Yes, Cayenne will provide better utility but the driving experience with sedan is quite different than an SUV.  I never cross shop a sedan vs SUV.

    After saying so much, Yes, I had put in deposit for a 4 E-hybrid sport turismo yesterday.  Should I go blue again, or silver, or white...

     

    You will have the only one in Vancouver, only one in the province, only one in Canada and only one in the whole world with that choice Smiley

    Oh, c'mon Nick...don't be that mean. Smiley


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