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    718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    http://www.autoblog.com/2015/12/09/porsche-718-boxster-cayman-official/


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    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    I wish Porsche good luck, but that price and only 4cyl seems like a bad deal. At least the4c has a carbon tub and its a crazy buy anyway. But a optioned up 4cyl boxster seems like a formula.for massive depreciating  sales value.


    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    JimFlat6:

    I wish Porsche good luck, but that price and only 4cyl seems like a bad deal. 

    Don't think we know the price - just relative pricing of Boxster to Cayman versions.  Hopefully less than current prices for base.


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    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    I anticipate no price reductions, porsche isn't known for that. I think they know their new car market and think they can "condition"' it to accept less motor for the same if not more money.


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    this is probably stage 1 of their planned , sequenced name changeover ...first 718 Cayman and ( finally ! ) market corrected higher base price 718 Boxster ....to help the non car buff market digest it .

    Then stage 2 kicks in when the real next gen car arrives in 4-5 model years when those two names are  retired and the two become simply 718 coupe and 718 convertible / cabriolet/ spyder 

     

     

     

     


    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    JimFlat6:

    I anticipate no price reductions, porsche isn't known for that. I think they know their new car market and think they can "condition"' it to accept less motor for the same if not more money.

    Possible to offer fewer cylinders for same price, but not with 35hp less in each model.  I think the base 4cyl 240hp model will cost less than current base 275hp model.  They needed more spread among models. This way GTS will have a legitimate space (before it was a no-brainier to get the GT4 instead for $9k more).


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    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    these have been kicking around my laptop for ages, German renders from two years back.. Where do i sign up? 

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    If the car looks like those renders, sales will go through the roof!


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    Guys, you are aware that the facelift is next, not a completely new model. yes

    The 4-cyl. engines will be interesting, I still couldn't figure out if the top models get a flat six again but it seems rather not.


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    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    Correctly - the facelift is next. And currently the line up is actually better than ever before. The GTS Caymen is one of the best looking Porsches out there. The GT4 is probably the coolest thing you can buy from Porsche this year and the facelift will even get better than that.

    Don't think that the 4 Cylinder would harm that. Whatever they will launch will be better than the predecessor. In other words - I'm looking forward to whatever will be next. If there will be a facelift GT4 with a PDK I will put my name on the list instantly.  And that one would be even more a keeper once the 4 cylinder is out. 


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    Lars997:

    Correctly - the facelift is next. And currently the line up is actually better than ever before. The GTS Caymen is one of the best looking Porsches out there. The GT4 is probably the coolest thing you can buy from Porsche this year and the facelift will even get better than that.

    Don't think that the 4 Cylinder would harm that. Whatever they will launch will be better than the predecessor. In other words - I'm looking forward to whatever will be next. If there will be a facelift GT4 with a PDK I will put my name on the list instantly.  And that one would be even more a keeper once the 4 cylinder is out. 

    Right now, I haven't heard much of a facelifted GT4. Smiley There was a rumor about a GT4 RS but this may actually be that GT4 Clubsport but you never know...

    Porsche needs to get away from the n/a engines, so the chance of a facelifted GT4 is not really big.

    Yes, the GT4 is a keeper, so is the GT3/RS, especially if Porsche decides to use turbo engines in the GT models as well (which can happen at any time Smiley). If Porsche thinks that these cars would sell with turbo engines, they will get turbo charged engines.

    Oh, just in case you misunderstood me: The facelifted Boxster and Cayman get new turbo charged 4-cyl. engines. Bye bye flat six.

    I'm still onto that mysterious 911 R, kind of like the idea of having one but I do not want to have two 911 in my garage and I kind of like the idea of keeping my GTS Cab, especially since my wife is in love with this car.

    Time will tell...no hurry...yet. Smiley


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    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    From the official press release:

    Boxster and Cayman now to be marketed as 718 model series

    Stuttgart. The 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman – these will be the new names of the two-door mid-engine sports cars from Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG effective with the 2016 model changeover. The Stuttgart car manufacturer’s 718 designation is a reference to the ground-breaking sports car of this type of the year 1957, which enjoyed much success in renowned car races. The 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman are showing more similarities – both visual and technical. In the future, both will have equally powerful four-cylinder flat engines with turbocharging. The Roadster will be positioned at a higher price level than the Coupé – as is done for the 911 models. Porsche will introduce the 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman over the course of 2016. 


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    SportCarGroup:

    From the official press release:

    Boxster and Cayman now to be marketed as 718 model series

    Stuttgart. The 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman – these will be the new names of the two-door mid-engine sports cars from Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG effective with the 2016 model changeover. The Stuttgart car manufacturer’s 718 designation is a reference to the ground-breaking sports car of this type of the year 1957, which enjoyed much success in renowned car races. The 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman are showing more similarities – both visual and technical. In the future, both will have equally powerful four-cylinder flat engines with turbocharging. The Roadster will be positioned at a higher price level than the Coupé – as is done for the 911 models. Porsche will introduce the 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman over the course of 2016. 

    no more flat six!


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    Here's some sneak peek to the new shape of the tail lights:




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    And new lettering:


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    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    Porsche seems to like making the rear of cars more fussing with ever more lettering!


    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    The 718 designation is supposed to be a marketing coup to establish and introduce the new flat 4 engines but how many regular typical Boxster/Cayman customers know what a 718 was? Smiley Of course this gives Porsche marketing the chance to advertise the new models using the classic 718 heritage but to be blunt, this is a huge marketing hocus pocus, nothing more. The turbo charged flat 4 is not a flat 6 n/a engine, we can discuss this all day long. Smiley Also, the Boxster/Cayman are no race cars and the new GT4 Clubsport won't change much.

    Yes, the new models will be fast and the smaller tail lights look more attractive in my opinion. However, the n/a engines are gone. Smiley If Porsche doesn't make any flat 6 Boxster/Cayman anymore, the GT4 and the Spyder will certainly become classics, no doubt about it. Good for GT4 and 981 Spyder owners. Smiley


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    Atzporsche:

    these have been kicking around my laptop for ages, German renders from two years back.. Where do i sign up? 

     

     

    wink

    The article refers to a previous concept of a mid-engined car below the Boxster. The concept won't be pursued anymore (at least for now) according to some announcements 1 year (?) or so ago. Probably market size and pricepoint for such a car is not in line with Porsche's overall strategy (...or target margins for that matter).


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    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    RC:
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    Oh, just in case you misunderstood me: The facelifted Boxster and Cayman get new turbo charged 4-cyl. engines. Bye bye flat six.

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    Yep - I misunderstood you! And I didn't use my brain as I should have knew that the Boxster/Cayman will not get the new 6-cyl. Turbo engines. So the 4 cylinder will come as you say (and as you probably know from a reliable source).

    In that case a GT4 will not make sense either. Smiley

    Damn... this is a pity - the cars will never be again what they have been before. SmileySmiley


    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    So Boxster prices go up 20% and go from 6c to 4c turbo? Good luck with that. A  Boxster GTS would be more than a GT4? I still don't understand why Porsche introduced the Cayman at all.


    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    SciFrog:

    So Boxster prices go up 20% and go from 6c to 4c turbo?

    Where do you see that?


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    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    It says Boxsters will be priced above Caymans. I doubt Porsche will lower Cayman prices... A convertible 911 is $10k more than a coupe.


    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    SciFrog:

    It says Boxsters will be priced above Caymans. I doubt Porsche will lower Cayman prices... A convertible 911 is $10k more than a coupe.

    You are making assumptions (with which I do not agree).  I think the reason for the re-branding "718" is so that they can realign the pricing and model hierarchy (Boxster $500 more than Cayman).

    I expect the cheapest 718 Cayman to be less than the current Boxster 2.7L (or same at worst).  I definitely think the cheapest 718 Cayman will be less than current Cayman 2.7L

    I also hope they stop playing games with the 10hp difference between equivalent Boxster and Cayman models.  That is insulting to the customer.


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    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    SciFrog:

    A convertible 911 is $10k more than a coupe.

    A current Cayman is $500 more than a Current Boxster and it comes with 10hp more.  You will not see a $10k premium for a Boxster over an equivalent Cayman.  Get serious...


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    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    Boxster will be $10k more than Cayman? That's the 991 premium... But $5k more is possible.


    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    SciFrog:

    Boxster will be $10k more than Cayman? That's the 991 premium... But $5k more is possible.

    Isn't the $10k premium how you came up with your 20% increase estimate (over $50k current base)?


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    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    Right, 10%, sorry...


    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    Grant:
     

    I also hope they stop playing games with the 10hp difference between equivalent Boxster and Cayman models.  That is insulting to the customer.


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    that marketing dept " engineered " 10 hp delta was to help sell the more expensive " Boxster coupe"  ( i.e., Cayman ) ..never worked ...Cayman sales were never very good and have been downright " worrisome " for yrs now , even when compared to the already slow selling Boxster , vs 911 coupes or cabs 

    that hp delta will be gone and so will the need to sell a more expensive Cayman via unique ( and production line inefficient ) ext front or rear treatments .  So as with any car line , incl the 911 line, the soon to appear 981.2 coupe and convertible will prob be identical below the window line for the first time.


    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    There is a rumor that the Cayman will get a substantial price cut (compared to the current models and the price increase of the facelifted Boxster).

    The base Boxster is supposed to be around 53k, the base Cayman around 50k or slightly under 50k.

    Power is rumored to be the same for all models now, very likely 285-295 hp for the Boxster/Cayman and 335-345 hp for the Boxster S/Cayman S. The next Boxster GTS/Cayman GTS is rumored to have 370 hp. Caution: These values are estimates based on rumors, take them with a grain of salt.

    There is also a strong rumor of a base Boxster/Cayman with 220-230 hp, base price starting slightly under or slightly over 40k EUR. This car will have a pretty basic option list but of course you would be able to add all goodies to it.


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    Re: 718 Boxster & Cayman - new 4cyl models

    RC:

    The base Boxster is supposed to be around 53k, the base Cayman around 50k or slightly under 50k.

    Power is rumored to be the same for all models now, very likely 285-295 hp for the Boxster/Cayman and 335-345 hp for the Boxster S/Cayman S. The next Boxster GTS/Cayman GTS is rumored to have 370 hp. Caution: These values are estimates based on rumors, take them with a grain of salt.

    consistent with 911 pricing and power output differentiation (none as between Cab and Coupe)


     
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