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Nov 30, 2015 4:56:29 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: 911 R

RC:
Turbo:
Atzporsche:
The ultra rich is always gobbling up these special limited you are awesome editions.

Now i know why i don't understand the hype of limited editions. I'am not the target group

I am part of the target group but I cannot afford it.

I have my regrets though not choosing certain cars and re-selling them but I'm not in the car business and I think Porsche wouldn't like it (even after 6 months), so... Well, gladly, I don't have the money, so not really a problem...

Don't we all. I passed on the 918 since I wasn't going to drive it and enjoy it, plus it felt overpriced at $900k. WRONG

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Nov 30, 2015 4:59:32 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: 911 R

SciFrog:
RC:
Turbo:
Atzporsche:
The ultra rich is always gobbling up these special limited you are awesome editions.

Now i know why i don't understand the hype of limited editions. I'am not the target group

I am part of the target group but I cannot afford it.

I have my regrets though not choosing certain cars and re-selling them but I'm not in the car business and I think Porsche wouldn't like it (even after 6 months), so... Well, gladly, I don't have the money, so not really a problem...

Don't we all. I passed on the 918 since I wasn't going to drive it and enjoy it, plus it felt overpriced at $900k. WRONG

Welcome to the team. Smiley Smiley Same here. I should have listened to my guts (and the person who really wanted me to get one). Smiley Of course I would have sold it after 6 months of ownership but now I would have a nice Huracan in my garage...or whatever. Smiley

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Nov 30, 2015 5:01:22 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: 911 R

Well, at least, one of my cars has doubled value in the past 18 months so the pain is more bearable...

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Nov 30, 2015 5:34:05 PM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: 911 R

SciFrog:
Well, at least, one of my cars has doubled value in the past 18 months so the pain is more bearable...

You can't leave it hanging like that ..... Do tell Smiley

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Nov 30, 2015 5:42:09 PM

m4ever: Veteran; Loc: Czech Republic , Italy; Posts: 1051, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2005; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: 911 R

SciFrog:
Well, at least, one of my cars has doubled value in the past 18 months so the pain is more bearable...

612 ?

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Nov 30, 2015 6:04:46 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: m4ever

Re: 911 R

Yes, manual 612... Nothing close to the huge gain on a 918 though Smiley

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Dec 1, 2015 1:32:06 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: 911 R

SciFrog:
Well, at least, one of my cars has doubled value in the past 18 months so the pain is more bearable...

Smiley My Mustang dealer just called yesterday, offering me the same price for my car I paid when I bought it new with him over a year ago. I refused (still enjoying my GT500). Now I am hoping for a price increase because there are basically no last production year (2014) cars with track pack (additional gearbox and oil cooler, Torsen LSD) available in Germany and these cars are in demand right now. If Ford doesn't make another GT500 with a supercharged V8 (and right now, it doesn't look likely), this could be an interesting development.

I know that many Americans may not understand the pleasure of owning a GT500 but over here in Europe, there is a huge fan base, especially in Germany and in Switzerland. The 2013/2014 cars have a reputation of being very reliable, highly refined (for a GT500) and very fast. Also, they make a great tuning base for power figures of reliable(!) 850 hp and more if people are willing to invest an additional 20-30k in them.

Update on the first part of this post (dealer called while I was writing this): My Mustang dealer just offered me a brand-new GT350 for January delivery if I pay 10k EUR on top or December delivery if I pay 15k on top. Tempting (the GT350 are sold over MSRP in Germany, they are not officially available here) but I am going to pass. He really wants my car. Smiley

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Dec 1, 2015 1:41:27 PM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: RC

Re: 911 R

kiss

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Dec 1, 2015 1:42:53 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: 911 R

Kobalt:

Well, of course not a very impressive value increase (especially compared to a manual 612 or even 918) but I had to start small. Smiley Smiley

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Dec 1, 2015 1:51:33 PM

tso: Senior; Loc: Denmark , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 746, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: 911 R

RC:
Kobalt:

Well, of course not a very impressive value increase (especially compared to a manual 612 or even 918) but I had to start small.

Do not forget that if his alternative is import from the US, the FX is not in his favor and buying your car at the EURO price you bought it at, might be a discount for him vs a similar car from a USD country.

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Dec 1, 2015 1:58:55 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: tso

Re: 911 R

tso:
RC:
Kobalt:

Well, of course not a very impressive value increase (especially compared to a manual 612 or even 918) but I had to start small.

Do not forget that if his alternative is import from the US, the FX is not in his favor and buying your car at the EURO price you bought it at, might be a discount for him vs a similar car from a USD country.

I know, this is why I didn't agree. A couple of weeks ago, he wanted my car also, he had an almost new Mercedes GT-S, slightly used, he wanted to get rid of (apparently his private car). He offered me to pay 50k or so (I don't remember the exact number anymore, I'm getting old Smiley ) on top and my GT500. Car was worth over 160k EUR and had only 6k km or so. Not a bad deal but I'm not really into the GT-S, I don't know why.

For 100k, I may be tempted to sell my GT500 (I really want to get a 2013 or 2014 R8 V10 Plus and there are many interesting cars below 100k EUR available right now) but not for less. On the other hand, I may keep the GT500 forever because I really love this monster. Smiley This is not a car you want to drive on a daily basis but for a couple of hours on weekends, it is fun.

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Dec 1, 2015 2:05:12 PM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: RC

Re: 911 R

RC:
Kobalt:

Well, of course not a very impressive value increase (especially compared to a manual 612 or even 918) but I had to start small.

I think it is a privilege to own and use cars as them we discuss here at Rennteam, and then even making some money doing what we like most...

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Dec 3, 2015 6:29:09 AM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: Kobalt

Re: 911 R

well have you seen the 993 go up and up...

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Dec 3, 2015 5:09:38 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12585, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Atzporsche

Re: 911 R

Atzporsche:
well have you seen the 993 go up and up...

Much slower than the pre-1974 911's...

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Dec 14, 2015 9:27:13 PM

Nacelle1: Junior; Loc: Cascadian Corridor , Canada; Posts: 103, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 21, 2015; Reply to: Grant

Re: 911 R

All quiet here about the 911R... Actually not much being speculated on many forums at the moment.

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Dec 14, 2015 9:39:38 PM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: Nacelle1

Re: 911 R

Nacelle1:
All quiet here about the 911R... Actually not much being speculated on many forums at the moment.

All I know is I can't have one Smiley

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Dec 15, 2015 9:12:13 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Nacelle1

Re: 911 R

Nacelle1:

All quiet here about the 911R... Actually not much being speculated on many forums at the moment.

Don't worry, same here. Talked to my dealer, showed some interest (not even sure I can afford one) but so far, nothing new, no official information, not even a price tag, just rumors. The unofficial information I have doesn't help me much. Smiley Also dealer told me that he has several interested customers but this doesn't concern me right now since I don't even know if I can afford one.

Bottom line is: A lot of secrecy is going on, latest rumors indicate a base price tag from 180 to 240k EUR and a detuned GT3 RS 4.0 l engine with 460-475 hp, light weight parts (incl. the GT3 RS front hood) but it is still unknown if the car gets PDK or not (the one mule I saw had PDK though).

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Dec 15, 2015 9:21:26 AM

Kobalt: Expert; Loc: Europe , Sweden; Posts: 1819, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 18, 2015; Reply to: RC

Re: 911 R

Talked to my dealer yesterday too: No news.

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Dec 15, 2015 10:51:20 AM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: 911 R

RC:

Bottom line is: A lot of secrecy is going on, latest rumors indicate a base price tag from 180 to 240k EUR and a detuned GT3 RS 4.0 l engine with 460-475 hp, light weight parts (incl. the GT3 RS front hood) but it is still unknown if the car gets PDK or not (the one mule I saw had PDK though).

Wide body as well?

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Dec 15, 2015 11:32:55 AM

m4ever: Veteran; Loc: Czech Republic , Italy; Posts: 1051, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2005; Reply to: Joost

Re: 911 R

Joost:
RC:

Bottom line is: A lot of secrecy is going on, latest rumors indicate a base price tag from 180 to 240k EUR and a detuned GT3 RS 4.0 l engine with 460-475 hp, light weight parts (incl. the GT3 RS front hood) but it is still unknown if the car gets PDK or not (the one mule I saw had PDK though).

Wide body as well?

Lots of secrecy and lots of rumors indeed. I heard exactly the same except it will be manual. Also heard that the R should be the lightest 991 to date. Wide body (but not Turbo/RS body). Looking very much forward to it.

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Dec 15, 2015 11:52:11 AM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: m4ever

Re: 911 R

Thanks mate!

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Dec 15, 2015 12:23:48 PM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3072, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: Joost

Re: 911 R

I have got the following information:

price 195.000 € (incl. VAT) in Germany

GT3 engine not RS engine

Manual

special interior color

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Dec 16, 2015 8:20:17 AM

DJM48: Expert; Loc: Australia , Australia; Posts: 1718, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2015; Reply to: ALDO

Re: 911 R

Hi Aldo

Thank you for your information.

Any information on whether it will have rear seats as standard or as an option?

DJM

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Dec 16, 2015 8:57:48 AM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3072, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: DJM48

Re: 911 R

DJM48:
Hi Aldo

Thank you for your information.

Any information on whether it will have rear seats as standard or as an option?

DJM

Puuh, I think I have heard only two seats, but I am not sure.

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Dec 16, 2015 10:32:03 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: DJM48

Re: 911 R

DJM48:
Hi Aldo

Thank you for your information.

Any information on whether it will have rear seats as standard or as an option?

DJM

This is currently the biggest mystery. Smiley Car I saw had PDK and backseats but surprisingly, it was the same license plate used for that car in the photos without backseats (cage). The license plates can be switched though (KBA registration, not your regular license plate registration), so no big deal.

I heard at some point that backseats may be optional but the base car will be delivered in the lightest way possible, without A/C, PCM or even most usual dampening material. However, it may be possible to order these things free of cost.

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Dec 16, 2015 10:42:58 AM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: RC

Re: 911 R

I think the 4.0 l engine 😋

You think lightweight panel door? Roll cage?

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Dec 16, 2015 10:54:14 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: LP997

Re: 911 R

LP997:
I think the 4.0 l engine 😋

You think lightweight panel door? Roll cage?

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All I know (and saw Smiley ) is 4.0 l GT3 RS engine with lower power (reduced cooling capacity due to the missing side vents and rear wing), roll cage optional, lots of lightweight parts from GT3 RS (front hood for example) and many comfort features optional. Still not written in stone though, apparently this car is still under development.

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Dec 16, 2015 11:00:31 AM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: RC

Re: 911 R

Thanks RC kiss

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Dec 16, 2015 11:02:16 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: LP997

Re: 911 R

LP997:
Thanks RC

My pleasure but like I said, nothing is written in stone yet. ALDO has pretty good sources too, so everything is possible.

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Dec 16, 2015 1:03:12 PM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3072, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: RC

Re: 911 R

RC:
LP997:
Thanks RC

My pleasure but like I said, nothing is written in stone yet. ALDO has pretty good sources too, so everything is possible.

My last information is that it will have a GT3 engine - not RS engine. I have asked and got that confirmation. Who knows?

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