CloseNot sure why but embedded media links never seem to work for me, so here is a conventional link as well
Motorsport Magazine : Lap Time Battle of Porsche Cayman GTS VS GT4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmoa6X90J58
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Current - Aston V12 Vantage, Morning Frost White, Buckets, Manual
On Order - Cayman GT4, Racing Yellow, PCCB, Full Buckets
WAY:Just waiting for someone to run a GT4 and Spyder together and make a video like that!
Yes, looking forward to this too. But... is there any functionally relevant difference between the Spyder and the GTS other than the 3.8l engine and manual gearbox? So, it will be a bit faster than the GTS thanks to the extra power, but a bit slower due to the manual gearbox (I would actaully love to see a GTS PDK versus GTS manual test to see the exact benefit of PDK).
If it is not intended as a track car I would get the Spyder over the GT4 any day. Unless you live in alaska the open top beats all irrelevant performance numbers on the road. On the track, well all these comparisons are no difference than the GT3 versus Carrera comparisons. A Carrera with power kit and driving goodies is not far off a GT3 on the track, but it will never feel like a GT3.
2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM
bluelines:WAY:Just waiting for someone to run a GT4 and Spyder together and make a video like that!
Yes, looking forward to this too. But... is there any functionally relevant difference between the Spyder and the GTS other than the 3.8l engine and manual gearbox? So, it will be a bit faster than the GTS thanks to the extra power, but a bit slower due to the manual gearbox (I would actaully love to see a GTS PDK versus GTS manual test to see the exact benefit of PDK).
If it is not intended as a track car I would get the Spyder over the GT4 any day. Unless you live in alaska the open top beats all irrelevant performance numbers on the road. On the track, well all these comparisons are no difference than the GT3 versus Carrera comparisons. A Carrera with power kit and driving goodies is not far off a GT3 on the track, but it will never feel like a GT3.
Agree, except I think you may be surprised how much the Spyder would feel like the GT4 due to having the same steering, gear box, engine and exhaust system! All my GT3s feel different from my Carreras of past because they have very heavy clutch, clunky gearbox, direct steering, and of course the firmer ride and more solid pedal feel through the brakes too. I think the Spyder will feel the same as the GT3 in most of those areas with the exception of maybe the brakes (I'm just guessing obviously as I've driven neither of these cars) so the comparison is no longer like a GT3 vs a Carrera.
bluelines:So, it will be a bit faster than the GTS thanks to the extra power, but a bit slower due to the manual gearbox (I would actaully love to see a GTS PDK versus GTS manual test to see the exact benefit of PDK).
OK, not a GTS, but here is a 981 Cayman Manual -v- 981 Cayman PDK from Fifth Gear about a year ago. They perform a straight sprint and a flying lap on a track. Jason Plato in the manual and Marcus Grönholm in the PDK. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WUDIGCt8Zs
Current - Aston V12 Vantage, Morning Frost White, Buckets, Manual
On Order - Cayman GT4, Racing Yellow, PCCB, Full Buckets
WAY:bluelines:WAY:Just waiting for someone to run a GT4 and Spyder together and make a video like that!
Yes, looking forward to this too. But... is there any functionally relevant difference between the Spyder and the GTS other than the 3.8l engine and manual gearbox? So, it will be a bit faster than the GTS thanks to the extra power, but a bit slower due to the manual gearbox (I would actaully love to see a GTS PDK versus GTS manual test to see the exact benefit of PDK).
If it is not intended as a track car I would get the Spyder over the GT4 any day. Unless you live in alaska the open top beats all irrelevant performance numbers on the road. On the track, well all these comparisons are no difference than the GT3 versus Carrera comparisons. A Carrera with power kit and driving goodies is not far off a GT3 on the track, but it will never feel like a GT3.
Agree, except I think you may be surprised how much the Spyder would feel like the GT4 due to having the same steering, gear box, engine and exhaust system! All my GT3s feel different from my Carreras of past because they have very heavy clutch, clunky gearbox, direct steering, and of course the firmer ride and more solid pedal feel through the brakes too. I think the Spyder will feel the same as the GT3 in most of those areas with the exception of maybe the brakes (I'm just guessing obviously as I've driven neither of these cars) so the comparison is no longer like a GT3 vs a Carrera.
Yes and no... much of that difference in feel between the GT3 and the Carrera comes from the completely different suspension parts and aggressive setup. It is the reason the steering feels so direct in the GT3, it is the reason you feel every little bump in the road, it affects the entire handling (and feeling) of the car.
The biggest difference, and more or less only Motorsport part on the GT4, is the suspension. The Spyder does not have this, it has the regular non-PASM -20mm suspension and hence I believe it behaves and feels more like a powerful GTS. The directness in the chassis, steering and gearbox will never be the same (not saying it is bad in any way, it will simply not feel like the GT4, for much the same reason a Carrera will not feel like a GT3). The open roof is for me a much more important feature of the Spyder. It beats all other feelings
2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM
Sep 17, 2015 4:07:45 PM
bluelines:
So, it will be a bit faster than the GTS thanks to the extra power, but a bit slower due to the manual gearbox
I just had a look at the new issue of AB Sportscars (featuring a Boxster GTS vs. AUDI TTS comparo). The PDK equipped GTS went from 0-200 in 16,7 sec., the Spyder reviews I have seen so far showed high 13,x sec to low 14,x sec. 
I guess the big difference of the Spyder compared to the other Boxster variants is that now for the first time this superb chassis is mated with an engine powerful enough to allow for steering with the gas pedal (due to the smaller and less sticky tires compared to the GT4) - should be fun on a winding B-road or alpine passroad 
public roads: Porsche 981S white/black/red, toll road 
: Porsche 997 GT3 Arctic/Black
Sep 17, 2015 4:11:38 PM
Porsche-Jeck:bluelines:So, it will be a bit faster than the GTS thanks to the extra power, but a bit slower due to the manual gearboxI just had a look at the new issue of AB Sportscars (featuring a Boxster GTS vs. AUDI TTS comparo). The PDK equipped GTS went from 0-200 in 16,7 sec., the Spyder reviews I have seen so far showed high 13,x sec to low 14,x sec.
Yes, I have been waiting for this mating for 10 years 
Finally!
I had a very bad thought crossing my mind the other day... to replace the C4S with a Spyder 
Go away, bad thought, go away...
2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM
bluelines:I had a very bad thought crossing my mind the other day... to replace the C4S with a Spyder
That would be a pretty sweet combo with the GT4 - one for track, one for sunny roads
73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550
Sep 17, 2015 4:22:03 PM
bluelines:I had a very bad thought crossing my mind the other day... to replace the C4S with a Spyder
Haha, the harder you try to kill the thought the stronger it will get 
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public roads: Porsche 981S white/black/red, toll road : Porsche 997 GT3 Arctic/Black
Sep 17, 2015 4:30:23 PM
Hah, it sounds like you have experience from such bad thoughts PJ 
I am trying to settle my mind on a more "practical" solution like a Boxster S/GTS with -20mm and PDK. There are a few for sale in Switzerland at pretty good prices, especially when you compare to 991 cabriolet prices.
2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM
Sep 17, 2015 4:39:24 PM
bluelines:Hah, it sounds like you have experience from such bad thoughts PJ
Tell me about it - the little devil never hops off my shoulder Though nothing wrong with the "practical" solution
public roads: Porsche 981S white/black/red, toll road : Porsche 997 GT3 Arctic/Black
vantagesc:Variety is the spice of life. Why have two 981s, albeit very different ones?
Because...
Plenty of people own a GT3 and a Carrera
2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM
bluelines:vantagesc:Variety is the spice of life. Why have two 981s, albeit very different ones?
Because...
- I miss having a cabriolet
- It must work every day all year round
- The 981 offers more value for money than the 991
- The 981 has a brilliant chassis
Plenty of people own a GT3 and a Carrera
The Spyder should also have much better residual value that most other 981/991...
73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550
Sep 18, 2015 12:34:59 PM
Sep 19, 2015 3:55:39 PM
martini964:bluelines:aahhhh, how cute is that 964...
with the odd looking truncated version of the classic side decal due to the deep side scoop of the 981s, I would balance it visually by simply leaving off the small section ahead of the wheel opening if it were my car
the front clip would look cleaner , more aggressive too
MKW:martini964:bluelines:aahhhh, how cute is that 964...
with the odd looking truncated version of the classic side decal due to the deep side scoop of the 981s, I would balance it visually by simply leaving off the small section ahead of the wheel opening if it were my car
the front clip would look cleaner , more aggressive too
Haha,
That 964 pic reminds me of so many great 964 memories in our S cab - traveling from Malibu to Top of the World Montana with Surf and Sandy -2 Labs and 2 people shoehorned in; mud up to the windows deep into the dirt backroads going to ranches way back in to stay and hike! Running 145 mph across Utah and New Mexico and being buzzed by F 15's who waved their wings at us!! So much fun in that car.
Sun expects to have as much fun in the GT4, December arrival, but we thank Bluelines for keeping the GT4 flame until then
Took delivery of my Gt4 yesterday. I plan to daily drive it. So far, much more livable in terms of noise and NVH that I was expecting, but the tires should get louder over time. Maybe it's because I drove my track prepped Elise to work the last few days prior. Definitely not a BMW or something when it comes to daily driving credentials but seems fine for me. Incidentally, my BMW is for sale :)
Cant wait to compare it dynamically but my Lotus after break in.
watt:That 964 pic reminds me of so many great 964 memories in our S cab - traveling from Malibu to Top of the World Montana with Surf and Sandy -2 Labs and 2 people shoehorned in; mud up to the windows deep into the dirt backroads going to ranches way back in to stay and hike! Running 145 mph across Utah and New Mexico and being buzzed by F 15's who waved their wings at us!! So much fun in that car.
Sun expects to have as much fun in the GT4, December arrival, but we thank Bluelines for keeping the GT4 flame until then
Great stories, anecdotes and memories! Keep sharing Watt 
2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM
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