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Sep 4, 2015 2:28:10 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: pmarkow

Re: 991 GT3 RS

I only saw GT-Silver at the end of the day when the sun was already down and the light tamed . In that setting it looked very good and my second best color . But , I suspect that in bright day light is looses it' s presence . Two person have already commented then when they saw it on the track the car ' disappered ' and looked too bland . Now it all depends in which conditions one will use it . For city driving , open roads, it si probably the best color as not flash .

For the track it is not the best, but then to each his own , no wrong , no right , just a matter of taste .

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Sep 4, 2015 2:38:46 PM

pmarkow: Rennteam Pro; Loc: cambridge , United Kingdom; Posts: 2277, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 28, 2014; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991 GT3 RS

very true. strange though, for the GT3 i had no doubts that white is great, for the RS i am not sure.

peter

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Sep 4, 2015 2:42:32 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: pmarkow

Re: 991 GT3 RS

I think I like the GT Silver on the RS, there are enough surface cresses to break up the flat look of the paint. I think it's the second best 'stock' colour.

And I am not even a fan of any shades of silver/grey.

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Sep 4, 2015 2:50:53 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Photos of the RS do not reflect reality of it's color , except the white .

This car needs to be seen in the flesh and under different light conditions in order to make a proper opinion about the color . I have seen now the car during 4 complete days in all the colors, rain and shine, dirty and clean, morning and evening , ( expect GT-SIlver that I only saw on Monday early evening ) and none of the photos posted on the internet reflect the reality of the colors .

My favorite remains LO . White gained a lot esteem , but it need some ' deco' . I was disappointed with UV, unless in bright sun and the car 100% clean , it looks neither nor ..... GT-Silver looks great when the light is tamed, but not so sure if the same presence under direct sun light .

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997.2 C2 , -20mm I 964 Carrera 4 I 991 GT3 RS on order delivery early Sept .

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Sep 4, 2015 3:18:24 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991 GT3 RS

After having see UV in real life this color is a complete no go for me (personal preference obviously). I was under the impression that UV is metallic, but I realised it is not. It looks like a washed out Milka cow is sunlight angry

I am not that impressed by LO either. It is a little bit washed out too and this comes through in some light conditions. It is "missing" the intensity in the color.

GT Silver looked great in the evening light, but I never had a chance to see it in daylight.

White looked very nice in daylight.

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Sep 4, 2015 4:22:01 PM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3251, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Italian CAR magazine test angry angry angry <-- GT-Drei(y) smiley

Balocco Lap Time:

Lamborghini Huracan - 2'40"07
991 GT3 - 2'43"22
991 Turbo S - 2'45"48
991 GT3 RS - 2'45"78 *Weight* 1,473 kg (roll cage, pcm, sport chrono, lift, standard brakes, sound plus packet, 90 lt fuel tank, no fuel)

991 GT3 RS vs 991 GT3 vs 991 Turbo S

0-100 km/h: 3.61 / 3.37 / 2.94s
0-400m: 11.57s @ 199,8 km/h / 11.32s @ 201,5 km/h / 11.03s @ 200,1 km/h
0-1000m: 20.97s @ 253,1 km/h / 20.64s @ 255,4 km/h / 20.43s @ 251,6 km/h

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Sep 4, 2015 4:45:34 PM

LP997: Senior; Loc: Nord/sud , France; Posts: 694, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 30, 2010; Reply to: BiTurbo

Re: 991 GT3 RS

The test for the RS : + 29 degrés very hot day

991 gt3 testing during the winter 2013

not the same climatic condition which impact the 991 RS résults

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997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - Waiting 991 GT3 RS

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Sep 4, 2015 5:56:17 PM

pmarkow: Rennteam Pro; Loc: cambridge , United Kingdom; Posts: 2277, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 28, 2014; Reply to: LP997

Re: 991 GT3 RS

GT3 RS is disappointing compared to the huracan. and the hurricane is according to tests an under-steery GT car. i am also sure the 488 will be faster than the GT3 RS on most tracks. just mark my words.

peter

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Sep 4, 2015 6:42:50 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: pmarkow

Re: 991 GT3 RS

pmarkow:
GT3 RS is disappointing compared to the huracan. and the hurricane is according to tests an under-steery GT car. i am also sure the 488 will be faster than the GT3 RS on most tracks. just mark my words.

peter

I agree - also keep in mind the SportAuto test results. Somehow Porsche did not get it right Smiley

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Sep 4, 2015 8:51:59 PM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: BiTurbo

Re: 991 GT3 RS

BiTurbo:
Italian CAR magazine test <-- GT-Drei(y)

Balocco Lap Time:

Lamborghini Huracan - 2'40"07
991 GT3 - 2'43"22
991 Turbo S - 2'45"48
991 GT3 RS - 2'45"78 *Weight* 1,473 kg (roll cage, pcm, sport chrono, lift, standard brakes, sound plus packet, 90 lt fuel tank, no fuel)

991 GT3 RS vs 991 GT3 vs 991 Turbo S

0-100 km/h: 3.61 / 3.37 / 2.94s
0-400m: 11.57s @ 199,8 km/h / 11.32s @ 201,5 km/h / 11.03s @ 200,1 km/h
0-1000m: 20.97s @ 253,1 km/h / 20.64s @ 255,4 km/h / 20.43s @ 251,6 km/h

On another italian Magazine,RS set the lap record And is faster than the standar GT3...

so, Smiley i'm not worried.. Smiley

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997TT RS Tuning stage II(sold),2011 Cayenne Turbo(sold),waiting 991 GT3 RS

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Sep 5, 2015 5:02:14 AM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3251, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: Super Darius

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Super Darius:

On another italian Magazine,RS set the lap record And is faster than the standar GT3...

so, i'm not worried..

That's what happens when you cut out 200rpm off the RS Smiley

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Sep 5, 2015 5:38:57 AM

macca993: Senior; Loc: On a Circuit , New Zealand; Posts: 510, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 15, 2012; Reply to: BiTurbo

Re: 991 GT3 RS

400 rpm as the RS redlines at 8600 rpm in sport Auto setting and will only hit 8800 in Gear 1 using manual shifting (8700 top in 2nd & 8600 rpm in gears 3 and up so I am told by others who have tested it)...

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2014 991 GT3, 1994 993C2 6spd RS spec, 2016 Cayman GT4 (on order)

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Sep 5, 2015 9:43:52 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: macca993

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Again , those are just numbers , not good I admit . But for real people these differences will not be felt on the track . The driving skills count for much more .

These last days at the Ring I have seen battles between two guys, more or less same level as both are '' winners'' at the scuderia handset course, meaning top scoring drivers , one in a Mc 650 S and the other in the GT4 . Both ended up being able to compete each other , the GT4 only giving in on straights . And these cars have huge differences on paper .

I consider myself an ok driver, not specially good, but not bad at all . I have been passed many times by guys driving Renault Megane RS . There car is supposed to be much slower then mine, but there better skills make the most difference .

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997.2 C2 , -20mm I 964 Carrera 4 I 991 GT3 RS on order delivery early Sept .

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Sep 5, 2015 10:08:49 AM

pmarkow: Rennteam Pro; Loc: cambridge , United Kingdom; Posts: 2277, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 28, 2014; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991 GT3 RS

you are perfectly right but since the car companies brag a lot with numerology they should not be surprised to be judged - at least partly - based on that. in that sense the GT3 RS did not deliver. i hear and hope it does in terms of feeling, connectedness etc.

still i have that lingering feeling - based on not much evidence - that the GT3 and the speciale are the more 'rounded' options. not available anymore though...need to stop whining ::::)))))

peter

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Sep 5, 2015 2:01:49 PM

apias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: United States , United States; Posts: 2608, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 23, 2013; Reply to: pmarkow

Re: 991 GT3 RS

You can't really compare times based on different days, different track conditions, different drivers. How many times have we seen in F1 qualifying that the lap times will drop or go up by seconds from the start of Q3 to the end of Q3, as the track conditions change radically, and that's over a span of 12 minutes, with the same cars driven by the same drivers. Comparisons of distinct "tests" like this with relatively close times are essentially meaningless unless there were a way to "normalize" them based on conditions, which there isn't.

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Sep 5, 2015 3:13:54 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13735, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: apias

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Costing $50,000 more than the GT3, the owners of the RS should expect considerable differentiation. Clearly that is not the case.

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Of little, to make much: That is the dream of a human life.

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Sep 5, 2015 4:59:36 PM

TB993tt: Rennteam Pro; Loc: manchester , United Kingdom; Posts: 2280, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2002; Reply to: Super Darius

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Super Darius:
991 GT3 RS - 2'45"78 *Weight* 1,473 kg (roll cage, pcm, sport chrono, lift, standard brakes, sound plus packet, 90 lt fuel tank, no fuel)

This is a disappointing real world stat, my GT2 weighs less than this with a full tank.

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997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.0 bar

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Sep 5, 2015 6:30:59 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: nberry

Re: 991 GT3 RS

nberry:
Costing $50,000 more than the GT3, the owners of the RS should expect considerable differentiation. Clearly that is not the case.

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Of little, to make much: That is the dream of a human life.

Have you check the price of that carbon hood? MSRP is $15,000 already. The rear carbon deck and carbon wing will likely be another $15k. The 918 sized wheels and tires will be another $15k. And we haven't even count the engine bits suspension parts and the car specific extra wider fenders. I think the RS is a better value than the regular GT3, as there are probably more than $50k worth of extras Porsche put into it. The performance is just icing on the cake.

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Sep 5, 2015 6:59:02 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Whoopsy:
nberry:
Costing $50,000 more than the GT3, the owners of the RS should expect considerable differentiation. Clearly that is not the case.

Have you check the price of that carbon hood? MSRP is $15,000 already. The rear carbon deck and carbon wing will likely be another $15k. The 918 sized wheels and tires will be another $15k. And we haven't even count the engine bits suspension parts and the car specific extra wider fenders. I think the RS is a better value than the regular GT3, as there are probably more than $50k worth of extras Porsche put into it. The performance is just icing on the cake.

The flip side of that coin is that the remaining 95% of the car is identical to the GT4 Smiley Which costs less than half...

Those carbon parts are completely overpriced and have nothing with the value of the car to do. A custom made carbon hood will cost you $1'000. That Porsche happens to ask $15'000 for it is as backwards as they ask $300 for a painted key case.

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Sep 5, 2015 7:18:22 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13735, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Whoopsy:
nberry:
Costing $50,000 more than the GT3, the owners of the RS should expect considerable differentiation. Clearly that is not the case.

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Of little, to make much: That is the dream of a human life.

Have you check the price of that carbon hood? MSRP is $15,000 already. The rear carbon deck and carbon wing will likely be another $15k. The 918 sized wheels and tires will be another $15k. And we haven't even count the engine bits suspension parts and the car specific extra wider fenders. I think the RS is a better value than the regular GT3, as there are probably more than $50k worth of extras Porsche put into it. The performance is just icing on the cake.

Nick, the list you cite is superfluous if it does not translate to substantial performance gain. I firmly believe the RS will hold up in value because of all the hype on the car. However, the reality is its bark (appearance) doesn't measure up to its bite (performance). It is what it is. What matters is how much you enjoy the car. Smiley

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Sep 5, 2015 7:38:34 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Whoopsy:
nberry:
Costing $50,000 more than the GT3, the owners of the RS should expect considerable differentiation. Clearly that is not the case.

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Of little, to make much: That is the dream of a human life.

Have you check the price of that carbon hood? MSRP is $15,000 already. The rear carbon deck and carbon wing will likely be another $15k. The 918 sized wheels and tires will be another $15k. And we haven't even count the engine bits suspension parts and the car specific extra wider fenders. I think the RS is a better value than the regular GT3, as there are probably more than $50k worth of extras Porsche put into it. The performance is just icing on the cake.

As long as you don't plan on selling the carbon hood, the rear carbon deck etc. the spare part prices seem rather irrelevant to measure the "value" of the car. The value needs to come from performance - and feeling. For me the feeling can be very nice - everything will be spoiled still if the performance is not Ok Smiley

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Sep 5, 2015 8:12:36 PM

pmarkow: Rennteam Pro; Loc: cambridge , United Kingdom; Posts: 2277, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 28, 2014; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 991 GT3 RS

just to put things into perspective, after what i have read and heard the RS excels in terms of driving feeling. this is why in the end i decided to go for it.....hope i am not wrong.

peter

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Sep 5, 2015 8:37:16 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: pmarkow

Re: 991 GT3 RS

I typed out an (unusally for me) quite long reply but got some error when I went to post - but from the experiences of a GT3 driver at the ring having seen a few RSes out there last week then assuming you can extract the benefits from the tyres and aero then I don't think you'll be disappointed; it's damned fast in the right hands.

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Sep 5, 2015 8:46:39 PM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3251, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: pmarkow

Re: 991 GT3 RS

pmarkow:
just to put things into perspective, after what i have read and heard the RS excels in terms of driving feeling. this is why in the end i decided to go for it.....hope i am not wrong.

peter

You're not wrong, as long as you have no problem with the lack of power & torque and don't leave the mountains and twisty roads. The wing alone must be dragging invisible weight from outer space instead of creating downforce Smiley

Jokes aside, this is what the RS 4.0 weighed back in 2011 with full tank 1,388 kg

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Sep 5, 2015 9:27:42 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: BiTurbo

Re: 991 GT3 RS

On the subject of feel...........

This car feels amazing. The intake roar vibrates the gas pedal and those vibrations comes back up through my right foot. It feels really really good.

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Sep 6, 2015 1:31:21 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 991 GT3 RS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyWxoN7kr6I&feature=youtu.be

Video of someone I know who did the proper break in :)

He just took delivery of his car Thursday and went to a track day on Friday.

He also has a proper write up to go with that over at Rennlist.

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Sep 6, 2015 4:09:52 AM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12585, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 991 GT3 RS

That looks like a fun track! I love the Pacific Notthwest this time of year!

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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550

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Sep 6, 2015 7:21:40 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Grant

Re: 991 GT3 RS

Grant:
That looks like a fun track! I love the Pacific Notthwest this time of year!

Exactly what I was thinking !

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997.2 C2 , -20mm I 964 Carrera 4 I 991 GT3 RS on order delivery early Sept .

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Sep 6, 2015 9:35:58 AM

pmarkow: Rennteam Pro; Loc: cambridge , United Kingdom; Posts: 2277, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 28, 2014; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 991 GT3 RS

white looks good on the RS after all. maybe it is the combo with the black wheels though (which i generally dislike but possibly it is the way to go on the RS).

whoopsy, did you configure your F12 GTO or are you still trying to get the LaFe first?

peter

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Sep 6, 2015 11:43:03 AM

atomic80: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Bellevue, WA USA , United States; Posts: 2596, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2006; Reply to: pmarkow

Re: 991 GT3 RS

I think I found that writeup..

http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/891328-991-gt3-rs-first-impressions.html

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