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    Jul 18, 2015 11:05:08 AM

    acky
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    Re: 1.6l 4 cilinder Boxster

    Yes, this is a real advantage. Audis are always heavy. But look at the Golf R weight and when VW brings it to around 400HP.... Yes it's only a Golf, but half price to a well optioned Cayman.

    The will only be a 50 to 100kg advantage to the coming M2 with 370HP and a base price around 54k. Hard times for a Cayman S/GTS. Of course not for the GT4....

    As far as I know Porsche. They will not come with the 360HP version for the S or GTS.
    Here I expect only the usual 10-15HP increases with FL.
    My guess 335HP for the S, 350HP for the GTS, later a special edtion with 360HP. This are Cayman figures. Boxster as always 10HP less. This means 325HP for the Boxster S, fine but nothing to be euphoric. In this case no power/weight advantage to the M2 for the Cayman S and equality for the Cayman GTS, which will not be awailable before 2017.

    Jul 18, 2015 11:21:48 AM

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    Re: 1.6l 4 cilinder Boxster

    acky:

    Yes, this is a real advantage. Audis are always heavy. But look at the Golf R weight and when VW brings it to around 400HP.... Yes it's only a Golf, but half price to a well optioned Cayman.

    The will only be a 50 to 100kg advantage to the coming M2 with 370HP and a base price around 54k. Hard times for a Cayman S/GTS. Of course not for the GT4....

    As far as I know Porsche. They will not come with the 360HP version for the S or GTS.
    Here I expect only the usual 10-15HP increases with FL.
    My guess 335HP for the S, 350HP for the GTS, later a special edtion with 360HP. This are Cayman figures. Boxster as always 10HP less. This means 325HP for the Boxster S, fine but nothing to be euphoric. In this case no power/weight advantage to the M2 for the Cayman S and equality for the Cayman GTS, which will not be awailable before 2017.

    If one only cares about power, then these other brands are a steal compared to the Cayman. Once you factor in handling things look very different.

    Porsches were never about raw power. It is the complete package which sets the Cayman (and most other models) apart from the competition IMHO.


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    Jul 18, 2015 11:56:39 AM

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    Re: 1.6l 4 cilinder Boxster

    I agree with you. Feel and handling in a P car is superior the the Audi, BMW and so on cars. Even to the M and Audi RS cars.

    But I suspect Cayman sales will go even more down with the .2
    I think is a big mistake not to use the smaller 6 cylinder turbo for the S and GTS. For the non-S it is OK.

    I would immidiate order a Cayman GTS.2 when it will come with the B6 2.7 turbo as DD. With 4 cylinder, no way. I tend to try the M2 with 6 cylinders and more power and a more practical layout as the Cayman for a considerable lower price (65k to 95k optioned).

    Porsche have to be cautious with the 981 platform. So nice, so much potential, but it's not really used and later with the .2 even more devalued compared to the 911 and the 981 competitors.
    A clever move to force the people to the 911 but it could be a own goal, when the 981 customers leave to competitors (like me).

    Jul 18, 2015 1:45:53 PM

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    Re: 1.6l 4 cilinder Boxster

    My marketing prediction for the 981.2: there will be close to 10% (being generous to the usual 3%) of buyers who care about the responsiveness and sound of a NA flat 6. They will keep current cars or buy late model used, causing a drop in demand nearing 80% amongst themselves or 8% total sales reduction.

    Among the other 90% who want more hp and torque or the turbo name, and often don’t know how many cylinders are in their cars engine; there will be a demand increase of 10% amongst themselves or 9% total sales increase.

    Overall net of 1% increase in sales. smiley

    Jul 23, 2015 5:31:18 PM

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    Re: 1.6l 4 cilinder Boxster

    Anyone know if this electric turbo lag reduction will be on the boxster/cayman engines?

    electric turbo.jpeg

    Jul 23, 2015 6:40:20 PM

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    Re: 1.6l 4 cilinder Boxster

    I would guess so, but no knowledge.


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    Jul 23, 2015 7:31:26 PM

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    Re: 1.6l 4 cilinder Boxster

    I think that the boxster/cayman architecture is not capable to implement electric turbochargers, just like the 991, but no knowledge as well.

     
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