Crown

Amazing atmosphere. 

Apparently, Rossi has a bad habbit of kicking...

https://www.facebook.com/danilo.cicaloni/videos/10205683308346844/

⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

Even if he started in front row ,rossi really couldnt fight with the 3 spanish in valencia, so this situation is good to him for using as an excuse for not to win the 10 wc.

lorenzo is sooo fast and so the hondas, in the best case scenario he could have arrived 3 and lorenzo win.

we will se today everything can happen

993 c2

True, was very impressed with Lorenzo yesterday, amazing qualifying lap. Rossi knows he is not as fast anymore as the three top guys but he is counting on the rest of the riders moving out of his way on the first laps. I think its all going to come down to what the two Hondas are able to do and if they finish in front of Lorenzo or not.

⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

What a race with what a parasite WC!!!

Whitout MM support JL would never be WC in 2015

VR did what ever he had to do and did his job 100%, BUT it was more than obvious that both Hondas (MM & DP) could have overtaken JL easily, but especially MM did everything to avoid any overtake manoeuver and on top of this he stopped DP chase for the win!

Where were the agressive driving skills MM showed in the last races against VR?!?

WHAT A SPANISH SHAME this grand prix was

Open your eyes buddy. Lorenzo smashed the lap record in qualifying on a Yamaha and dominated the race from start to finish. Flawless weekend, and more important a clean one.

All three riders had tires in poor shape at the end of the race and MM who had planned to attack on the last laps lost his opportunity after his fight with Pedrosa, Lorenzo opened half a second gap, after that MM could not make a pass without risking a fall/collision. He would of been nuts to do so on the last lap of the championship race. It had to be a clean pass or none at all.

Only someone who would of wanted Rossi to win at any cost regardless fair play would of wanted a collision between Marquez and Lorenzo  

Not a fan of Lorenzo but kudos, well deserved win and well deseved championship with his 6 GP victories!! 

Lord_Driftalot:

VR did what ever he had to do and did his job 100%,

WHAT A SPANISH SHAME this grand prix was

Hmmm his job 100%?... except beat Lorenzo, the winner maybe? Does Rossi not only have the right to push riders of the track but also doesn't need to be faster than his competitors to win? He was slower than any of the podium finshers even with no one in front.

Rossi also got what he deserved... he could not even keep up with the race pace oif the 3 younger riders in front, and that applies in general now, he is not what he was anymore. He is one of the greatest in motorcycling history but time has passed. Its a shame that he had to do it in such a miserable fashion with one of the most unsportive and dirtiest moves in the history of MotoGP.

Next year it will probably be Marquez's year. He won't have the same problems he had this year that took him from the title contention this year and the next year Honda bike will be a force to rekon with.

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⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

Why blame the Honda riders for collusion  with Lorenzo, when the best Rossi could do was a distant P4?

IMO in any profession someone must know when to withdraw from active practice. As a rule it is best to leave when at the top.

"Form follows function"

 this is Lorenzo's team championshipo t-shirt they are wearing after the race...

Hint: the swimmer is wearing "yellow" swimming trunks 

⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

@CoS

this is not about VR-fanboyism, but about justice!

why did MM not even attemp to overtake JL, but when DP overtook him he was the "old aggressiv" MM whe knew all over his carreer...

BTW: it was JL 7th win (thanks to HRC!!)

@reginos

for what should have VR risk more when he was 4th?!

When he had to make up his way to 4th position he was barely away from the pace of the pack - so again - why should VR risk snything when he was already of 11,5s??

My problem is not a WC JL but the way he catched up at the final two races THANKS to MM & (see valencia) to HRC

reginos:

Why blame the Honda riders for collusion  with Lorenzo, when the best Rossi could do was a distant P4?

IMO in any profession someone must know when to withdraw from active practice. As a rule it is best to leave when at the top.

And even if Marquez would of passed Lorenzo, Lorenzo would of still won the championship because while tied for points with Rossi, Lorenzo had more GP vistories.

Those that wanted Marquez to run such risk for nothing were really looking for Marquez to crash with Lorenzo, they don't seem to care how Rossi wins apperently, pushing other riders off trhe track, wanting competitors to crash. etc. Sad....

⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

Lord_Driftalot:

@CoS

this is not about VR-fanboyism, but about justice!

Justice? sure....   specially because Marquez passing Lorenzo would of still made Lorenzo champion.

Shame on Marquez, he should of kicked Lorenzo off the track (ala Rossi) or course! what was he thinking! Rossi needs to win no matter what, and rules or common sense racing can't get in the middle of it... 

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⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

@CoS

you don't get it, right?

BOTH Honda riders were way quicker than JL in the final stages of the race!

Didn't you see it how easily MM stayed with JL the whole race and with which momentum overtook MM and was just about to overtake JL, but then again JL friend WC-maker MM overtook DP and secured by this means the title.

IF it would have been an open race DP & MM would have finished 1 & 2, JL 3rd and guess who'd have been the champ...

Any another thing you didn't understand (until now), VE didn't kick MM and he didn't get a penalty for "the non-kick" but because he learned YMM a lesson and marc baby boy aaah face lost control...

However let's summarize:

- JL was the fasted man on track (as long as he didn't crash out or overrode his tyres) and yes he deserves the title

-VR drove a fantastic season without any mistske despite his harsh driving @Sepang and yes he was the most consistant rider all year and therefore deserved the title as well

- MM is a fantastic talent with a bad charactere ;-)

- DP is due for a title next year, fantastic recovery of his arm surgery and great drives in the last races

Let me get this straight... Rossi deliberately pushes Marquez off the track causing him to crash and scoring no points (luckily avoiding injury) last race and you expect Marquez to in turn risk the same on Lorenzo for Rossi causing him to crash and loosing him the championship for nothing and so unfairly? please take off the goggles man.

Lorenzo drove a falwless race, did not make one single mistake, not one, so there were no open doors for Marquez to take advantage off and make a clean pass, the only other thing he could of done is to shove the bike in recklessly and hope for the best. Its not enough to be a bit faster towards the end of the race because of tire wear, you need to have an opportinuty big enough to make a CLEAN pass and that did not happen, unless you didn't want a "clean" pass, which seems to be the case for those complaining that Marquez did not due Rossi's dirty work for him today.

Lord_Driftalot:

- JL was the fasted man on track (as long as he didn't crash out or overrode his tyres) and yes he deserves the title

Bingo.

Hope Pedrosa takes it next year, but don't think he will beat Marquez though unfortunately.

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⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

Carlos, I'll stop discussing with you as you do not want to see very obvious things!! :-(

In the whole race MM didn't tried once to overtake and in Sepang he did it in every corner with VR!!!

That's fair? Come on and drop your "I'm against VR because he was so mean to Marc"-glasses and face the fact(s)...

Why didn't MM not let DP race for the win? Instead he attacked him instantly and made sure that JL wins and secured deliberately his title.

Lorenzo did make any mistake but he was extremly slow the last 5 laps of the race whilst DP catched up ,5s every lap...

Lord_Driftalot:

@reginos

for what should have VR risk more when he was 4th?!

When he had to make up his way to 4th position he was barely away from the pace of the pack - so again - why should VR risk snything when he was already of 11,5s??

 I think VR was not as quick. He was allowed to pass the field because others didn't want to get involved in the title fight.

VR's only hope for the Title was for Lorenzo making an error under pressure and crashing or for the Honda riders destroying JL's race in some way or other.

I am glad none of these happened because then Rossi would have won a hollow world championship.

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"Form follows function"

Lord_Driftalot:

Carlos, I'll stop discussing with you as you do not want to see very obvious things!! :-(

In the whole race MM didn't tried once to overtake and in Sepang he did it in every corner with VR!!!

That's fair? Come on and drop your "I'm against VR because he was so mean to Marc"-glasses and face the fact(s)...

Why didn't MM not let DP race for the win? Instead he attacked him instantly and made sure that JL wins and secured deliberately his title.

Lorenzo did make any mistake but he was extremly slow the last 5 laps of the race whilst DP catched up ,5s every lap...

Just listen to yourself, you are OK with the whole line up of riders (save the top three) giving Rossi a wide berth and letting him though not involving themselves with the championshio letting Rossi quickly reach 4th but you wanted Marquez to do the opposite and risk crashing Lorenzo out? 

Because that is what it's all about, Lorenzo being crashed out of the race, cause Marquez overtaking Lorenzo would of still not changed a thing, Lorenzo would of still won.

If you think that Pedrosa would of thought for one second to risk overtaking Lorenzo and getting involved in the championshio then you don't know Pedrosa at all. Complaining about Marquez can only be about wanting Marquez to risk crashing Lorenzo so that Rossi would win at all cost.

Marquez was able to overtake Rossi in the previous GP because Rossi is slower than Lorenzo and had plenty of opportunities, not so against Lorenzo today who was flawless. 

You are misplacing your frustration, The only one responsible for Rossi not winning the championship was ROSSI. He wasn't fast enough to make 3rd (could not even match their pace) and that cost him the championship, not Marquez, not Pedrosa.

Lorenzo on the other hand with the same bike as Rossi was able to beat the Hondas in qualifying and keep them at bay enough throughtout the race so that they could not have a chance to pass him without risking too much.

Even if Rossi would of not been penalised with starting last, the result would of been the same, Rossi was no match for the top three and they would have finished in the same positions. Looking at their own merits, Lorenzo deserved the win and Rossi did not.

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⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

@CoS

AMEN!

I give my point of view, this year lorenzo was the fastes on track no doubt.

rossi did have a big present not getting a black flag.

marquez showed clearly that he prefers lorenzo to win than rossi

if im honda boss i will get upset about marquez today, when i race i just want the best results ever.

marquez could have easly passed him the last laps, but i understand that he helped lorenzo and spain to win.

hope ducati is getting stronger so we can see iannone fighting with marquez and lorenzo and i hope to have an italian champion soon.

rossi is not as fast as lorenzo and marquez, so the plan to make him win 10 championships will never come trough anymore.

of course that motogp without rossi is different and with less interest and less business, thaths why dorna tryed everything to make him win this year, but he crashed under pressure.

so easy

993 c2

Interesting discussion, but nobody seems to point out that Rossi didn't face any opposition when he overtook all the opponents on his way to the 4th position. Marquez did not do anything illegal, he put intense pressure on Lorenzo all the time. He had to go to the limit. Had Marquez wanted Lorenzo to have a pleasant race, he would have rode 2-3 seconds behind.

Could have Marquez been more aggressive? Sure. In any case, he wold have got equal criticism had he favor Rossi to win by overtaking Lorenzo (but even if this had occurred, Lorenzo would have won the championship).

I don't like Lorenzo, but I have to acknowledge he deserved it.

1992 964 Carrera 2 - 2014 Mercedes A45 AMG - 2013 Mini Cooper S

Clearly a case of Spaniards against Rossi . Lorenzo is fast but should have kept his mouth shut after the incident between Rossi and Marquez, where Marquez crashed into Rossi (and then got a kick). Lorenzo could have shown his real weight by fighting for the title against Rossi instead of using Marquez as his 'escort' . Marquez is a worm as a person and he might be the greatest talent ever but he will never get the respect from fans like Rossi has. Except - of course - from his fellow Spaniards... 

turbolite

@turboelite

+1

VR does not have the speed to beat the 3 Spaniards and expects other riders to do his job. Not a big fan of JL but, its a well deserved championship.

Funny thing is that VR is 100% aware of his lack of competitiveness and planned all this drama beforehand, he teased MM for over a month and things didnt go the way he wanted.

Good for him though, it almost worked. Achieving P2 in Championship being the 4th (maybe 5th) in terms of raw speed, speaks about his enormous talent and ability to get the most out of any circumstance.

turbolite:

where Marquez crashed into Rossi (and then got a kick). 

It would be funny if I didn't think that in your mind you actually believe that is how it happened in a textbooik example of severe confirmation bias, Marquez crashing into Rossi?... is that why Rossi got penalised? for Marques crashing into him?

Rossi's best days are behind him, he could have retired with dignity after what he has achieved in his career, unfortunately its too late for that anymore.  and since he cannot compete with the younger faster riders, he tries to win by other means. 

And to add more salt to the wounds of his talifans, it will be Marqiuez himself who will outshine Rossi's career in not too long time due to his freakish talent that has lead him to break all records to date already... how ironic.

⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

I think that Rossi did well in climbing to 4th today - there was little hope of a win, due to him being relegated to last on the grid...

However, his only chance of taking the title was if Honda took 1st and 2nd with Lorenzo in 3rd.  This was supposedly possible as the track temperature was deemed to favour Honda.  As it was, the track temperature changed and Lorenzo was okay to take the win, even though, IMO, Marquez could have passed Lorenzo if he really wanted to!!

Pedrosa almost caught Marquez and their resulting tousle was when Lorenzo finally made a dash for the finishing line.

All in all, it was probably due justice that Lorenzo took the title.  However, I can't help thinking that It was a bit unfortunate for Rossi that this race was in Spain and that the first three riders to finish were all Spanish..!

Lorenzo is the 2015 Champion but for many, including the spectators, Rossi will remain the Champion of Champions...

"Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out."

Some stats from the championship (same bike, same team BTW):

Victories: Lorenzo 7 / Rossi 4
Laps as leader: Lorenzo 274 / Rossi 50
Poles: Lorenzo 5 / Rossi 1
Points: Lorenzo 330 / Rossi 325
Podiums: Lorenzo 12 / Rossi 15

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⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

@CoS

you forget something:

How many DNF: Lorenzo 1 / Rossi 0

How many podiums in the last three races thanks to MM: Lorenzo 3 / Rossi 1

MM didn't even try to over take JL, that is a fact. Rossi may have been the champ had that happened. But also fact is that JL was the better rider this year and deserve the championship. 

Worth reading. http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/what-really-happened-in-valencia/

1992 964 Carrera 2 - 2014 Mercedes A45 AMG - 2013 Mini Cooper S

Perfect:

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