May 14, 2014 12:39:47 AM
RC do think it's fare to compare 991 turbo S to C7 Z06 ? isn't the corvette in a different class because of the V8 ?
it is very impressive to see flat 6 keeping up with all the big engines but for how long do you think they can keep up? maybe some day they will have to use either electric motor or V8, right?
996AD:
RC do think it's fare to compare 991 turbo S to C7 Z06 ? isn't the corvette in a different class because of the V8 ?
it is very impressive to see flat 6 keeping up with all the big engines but for how long do you think they can keep up? maybe some day they will have to use either electric motor or V8, right?
The flat 6 on my 991 Turbo S is an amazing engine and the only thing it actually lacks is sound. Below 3000 rpm, the car sounds way too tame. Of course I wouldn't mind more power but I don't think the flat 6 engine is at it's power peak, on the contrary. The C7 Z06? Well...I haven't seen or driven this car, so I cannot really comment on it but the performance/price ration has always been good.
I heard the C7 (not Z06) recently and I loved the deep V8 sound. Yes, if I had to choose between a 991 Carrera/S and the C7, I would very likely choose the C7 instead. My local official Corvette dealer asks 70k EUR for a brand-new Corvette (EU model, official GM car) with a 100k km and 3 year full warranty. Why would I choose a 991 Carrera S for 120k EUR (with a few options) instead? No way. I would however choose the 991 Carrera 4S over the C7 because of the AWD.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)
bridggar:
Makes me wonder how well these plastic trinkets would sell in the UK if they put the steering wheel in the right place....
The C7 is really nice for the money GM asks for it. Same goes to the Jeep SRT I got, incredible value for the money (64k EUR). Quality? Well...how bad can it be for that price difference? Just saying.
If a hardcore Porsche lover like me starts questioning Porsche prices, something is definitely wrong. Food for thought (for Porsche).
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)
RC:
bridggar:
Makes me wonder how well these plastic trinkets would sell in the UK if they put the steering wheel in the right place....
The C7 is really nice for the money GM asks for it. Same goes to the Jeep SRT I got, incredible value for the money (64k EUR). Quality? Well...how bad can it be for that price difference? Just saying.
If a hardcore Porsche lover like me starts questioning Porsche prices, something is definitely wrong. Food for thought (for Porsche).
RC, for people like you who change their leased cars every semester, it makes no difference.
For those that use their cars for 5 or 10 years or more, there is saying that applies "nothing is more expensive than the cheap".
I remember when the first Cherokees and Grand Cherokees imported on our market were 50% of the price of X5, ML and eventually the first Cayenne, and the US cars sold like hot cakes. Now you cannot see a single one in service whereas the other three SUVs of the same period are still going strong in spite of their years and ubiquitous. Same with the 911s which are all usable regardless of age but none of their "value for money" Japanese rivals that presented an alternative (ZX, Supra, 3000GT etc) are still in circulation today.
The buyer pays a premium for the brand name, this is certain, but from experience there is also more substance in the product.
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"Form follows function"
BTW Porsche sold 55.000 cars in the first 4 months of 2014 (+5.2%). The Macan was hardly available and also variants like the Targa, GT3 and 981 GTS absent in the time period in question.
Contrary to rumours that the Panamera is unloved, this model registered the highest increase of 17%.
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"Form follows function"
The 9A1engine design is modular and it can give a flat 4 as well as a flat 8 (and a flat 12!). The flat 8 with turbocharging is the rumoured 960 engine. But it could also find its way into a future 911.
Herr Muller admitted to the existence of the turbo flat 8 in an interview of some months ago.
BTW, the RUF V8 4.5 is 30kg lighter than the flat 6 turbo installation, not the engine as such, mostly because it does away with the twin turbochargers, intercoolers and other ancillaries.
When I asked RUF at the Geneva Show about the 991 V8, the reaction was muted as they didn't seem very eager to speak about it
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"Form follows function"
May 14, 2014 5:07:20 PM
That prototype is tons of years old, I've seen in in person in the Stuttgart warehouse X Really cool place btw!!
As for the V8, why would Porsche bring a bigger engine when EVERYONE and the ENTIRE industry is downsizing big time... There is ZERO chance of that happening for this alone. Due to the 911 heritage there's another 0% chance on top of that. Much more interesting would be a pic of a 4cyl 911.. this could perhaps happen, but we will first see a 4cyl Boxster!
1991 BMW 535i Granitsilber/White Leather
Ex: '91 BMW 318i, '89 BMW 525i, '74 Mercedes-Benz 280E, '87 BMW 325is, '86 BMW 325e, '05 Ford Focus ZX4 S, '85.5 Porsche 944
964C2:
Ruf built a 997 V8 a few years ago and the engine was lighter than the Flat 6!
yes here is a video of that car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs0Gy_EK1DY