SciFrog:
Ferraris even driven hold their value much better these days...
comparing three to four yr old models with 20,000 + miles on the odometer, the V8 mid engined " volume" Ferrari stiil suffers in the market because there are so many to choose from for sale at the same time with less than 5000 miles , the opposite of preowned daily driver ( 911) Porsches .
The coloured roll hoop only works in that photo IMHO because you can see the interior to tie it in and the photo has been enhanced to make the calipers appear more prominent and complimentary to it and the rear screen darkened a lot. If it passed you on the road you'd likely think it looked out of place and very aftermarket.
The targa panel consists of two separate sections so a glass version would be impractical from an aesthetic point of view as you'd have unsightly join lines that are currently hidden from view by the fabric cover. There is also nowhere on the car to stow a one piece manual removable panel. To have made the panel manually removable as many people on websites are saying it should have been, would have required the same collapsible folding panel of the original targa. If you've ever seen one of those you'd realise there is no way that would have allowed a quiet, refined cabin at speed with the roof in place as it is almost impossible to effectively soundproof such a thin panel. I also very much doubt that anyone spending this sort of money on a luxury sports car would be happy having to get in and out of the car to unclip, fold then stow a roof panel
Upon opening, the top panel obviously folds a bit before entering the rear compartment. This shows on the video and the animation.
The Carrera GT and the 918 have manually removable targa-type tops, so the omission is not a matter of price. The Targa is clearly a lifestyle car for elegant people who would never dream of removing the top panel(s) by hand. Yuks!!!!
"Form follows function"
Jan 18, 2014 11:39:51 AM
ISUK:
The coloured roll hoop only works in that photo IMHO because you can see the interior to tie it in and the photo has been enhanced to make the calipers appear more prominent and complimentary to it and the rear screen darkened a lot. If it passed you on the road you'd likely think it looked out of place and very aftermarket.
+1
reginos:
Upon opening, the top panel obviously folds a bit before entering the rear compartment. This shows on the video and the animation.
The Carrera GT and the 918 have manually removable targa-type tops, so the omission is not a matter of price. The Targa is clearly a lifestyle car for elegant people who would never dream of removing the top panel(s) by hand. Yuks!!!!
+10!
Mike
Carrera GT + Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S + Panamera Turbo + BMW Z8 + BMW 3.0 CSi + Bentley Arnage T + GT3 RS 4.0
reginos:
Her age?
From my experience with the 997 and 991 Cab backseats, any kid which uses the backseats without a full sized child seat (incl. back cushion), won't be very happy with the seating position. The child seat poses a challenge too since the back cushion of the back seats is slightly inclined towards the front, making these seats very very uncomfortable. The Coupe seats are slightly better but still not perfect.
I don't want to speculate here but I sometimes get the feeling that Porsche doesn't even try harder to make the 911 backseats more comfortable. There is a Cayenne or Panamera, right?
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), BMW X3 35d (2013)
I have for the most part considered the 911 back seat to be a great kind of "extra passenger or two in a pinch" kind of additional feature to the car best left to occassional usage for local trips. Personally, I have ridden in the back of almost every model of the 911 and other than tilting my head on a few models, I have found that being a passenger in the back of a 911 still beats walking!!
side note: my greatest scare from the back seat was sitting in a Toyota Celica GTS. I found the back seat quite comfortable except for the rubber gasket meeting the top of my head; then as the owner closed the hatchback, I realized my situation and dropped to the left!
When it comes to kids, my very small daughter found the backseat of a 996 appauling; but she loved a 7 passenger mini-van like it was automotive nirvana.
I think it was passenger point of view driven, but now I am trying to get this 5 ft (1.5 meter) 18 year old to consider some vehicle which might provide a better view of the road than her beloved VW Beetle ( a Transformers fixation, she is nowhere near old enough to have a "hippy" connection)
At any rate, kids and 911 can work out well; but it has to be a kind of mutual arrangement. (and may wear out quickly with changes in size)
My kids love my 991 Turbo S when they drive in the passenger seat. This cannot work for the whole family though, so there are always discussions I would want to end. So usually, I drive with my son and my wife drives with my daughter, sometimes they switch (son and daughter) but this is not the best solution to be frank. I have to see if I can keep this up for the next three years but it can be difficult. If my wife is in a good mood, she rides with the daughter in the back. If my son is in a good mood, he lets his mother (seldom his sister) ride in the passenger seat. So... Not the best solution.
I wish Porsche would build a Panamera Coupe with the same technology as the 991 Turbo S and the same weight. Would be perfect for me.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), BMW X3 35d (2013)
I would offer some advice, but I don't think it would work for anyone else but me.
My daughter is still on "learner's permit" license, so she drives my wife's sedan with my wife beside her and I usually sit in the back with the dog. (I like to think of it as limousine travel)
RC:I wish Porsche would build a Panamera Coupe with the same technology as the 991 Turbo S and the same weight. Would be perfect for me.
Same here. My daughter hates it to sit in the back of my 991 Cab.
I would buy a Panamera Coupe (maybe a convertible?) in a heartbeat. If possible, I would add the Panamera GTS engine sound to the wishlist.
Note to self: I DO NOT need a Turbo.
Jan 21, 2014 3:19:15 AM
Jan 21, 2014 10:56:57 AM
charliecleanup:
anyone know if the powerkit option will be offered as It is missing from the Porsche website....inquiring minds need to know....
Personally, i don't think the powerkit will be available for the simple fact that it probably doesn't fit. Otherwise it would have been available already. But outside Porsche no one knows dor sure I guess... Have you asked your dealer about it?
Suzy
2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basaltblack metallic
2012 Audi SQ5 TDI | Lavagrey metallic
Jan 21, 2014 11:52:14 AM
charliecleanup:
anyone know if the powerkit option will be offered as It is missing from the Porsche website....inquiring minds need to know....
We have discussed this "issue" earlier in the thread.
Dealer should know (or he can ask). This shouldn't be a big secret.
Personally, I think that the power kit doesn't make much sense in this car, even if it could use it due to the added weight. Whoever prefers the Targa over the Cab certainly goes for the novelty factor and roof technology, rather than it's actually usability in a real life environment. The 991 Cab has not an ordinary cloth roof but a fixed roof covered with cloth. So the Targa only makes sense if you really really want it but otherwise, the Cab is the better (sportier/lighter, cabriolet) choice.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Will there be a Turbo Targa after all???
this was posted on 6speed, so it is not my own discovery, but look closely at the intro of this video (especially around 0:26). It looks very much like a Targa with air vents that they show... In other words a Turbo Targa!
is it a hidden teaser from Porsche?
Suzy
2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basaltblack metallic
2012 Audi SQ5 TDI | Lavagrey metallic
Jan 22, 2014 10:28:54 AM
This teaser were shown on online premiere of the Targa. Well, I don't know...I think who will look for the intakes on this video - will find it, if you know what I mean. I can't tell for sure if the intakes are there for sure, or it's just a game of color and light...
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Jan 22, 2014 10:50:58 AM
SportCarGroup:
This teaser were shown on online premiere of the Targa. Well, I don't know...I think who will look for the intakes on this video - will find it, if you know what I mean. I can't tell for sure if the intakes are there for sure, or it's just a game of color and light...
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That's exactly what I was thinking too, but if you look at it several times and focus on the rear of the car in the side shots, the shape of the rear fenders is clearly the more boxy shape of the Turbo and not the flowing lines of the C4 widebody.
I think Porsche has something up its sleave.... Yes, it makes sense that there's no room for the Turbocharged engine, but no one knows for sure yet. Maybe we're in for a surprise after all.....
Suzy
2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basaltblack metallic
2012 Audi SQ5 TDI | Lavagrey metallic