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Nov 21, 2013 9:35:17 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: mc3744

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

mc3744:

Milanno:

but main selling point is - IT WORKS! That is most important for high-demanding buyers. Second selling point is service. As you may guess, Porsche and Apple are among best in their businesses when it comes to service quality.

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I wish I could agree with you on the "IT WORKS" part. Mine doesn't. Still sitting at Porsche, still no news (= bad service, they should at least tell me something).

Am I the only one who has experienced an unknown problem with the car?

Should I get my lawyers involved or wait longer? And how much longer? Any suggestion?

Thanks

Try to contact Porsche Germany directly.

customer.commitment@porsche.de

Include your VIN (!!!) number, also the name of your Porsche centre in Italy.

If possible, use your business mail account with header/footer, so they know you are a serious person.

Be friendly but insistent, also mention that you are highly disappointed with the quality.

I cannot promise they will help but your problem will certainly show up on their radar.

Good luck.

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Nov 21, 2013 6:21:51 PM

EnglishManInNY: Expert; Loc: Long Island NY. , United States; Posts: 1477, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 8, 2003; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Nice TechArt take on the TTS....

http://www.worldcarfans.com/113112166511/techart-prepares-the-porsche-911-turbo-for-essen-with-styling

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Nov 21, 2013 7:38:56 PM

sulaiman: Co-Pilot; Loc: kuwait , Kuwait; Posts: 179, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 24, 2013; Reply to: EnglishManInNY

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcZKZwEB05w

NO LC WTF

i think the use of SLS in this Vid is simple ... its only an excuse not to use LC
So the Porsche wont get the Race and make the red horse Fans sad

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Nov 21, 2013 8:41:51 PM

Milanno: Senior; Loc: ... , Åland Islands; Posts: 766, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2011; Reply to: sulaiman

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

I dont see why they bothered bringing SLS in game. It should be F12 vs 991 TSS with all gadgets on. But still, for 560 hp car, 991 TTS holds damn great, even without LC.

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Nov 21, 2013 9:52:39 PM

mc3744: Junior; Loc: Italy , Italy; Posts: 63, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 6, 2013; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Thanks RC, I will try that.

Today they phoned me and told me that Monday or Tuesday a technician will come from Porsche Italy HQ and should be able to fix it.

It's not clear what will happen of he won't.

Meanwhile a week has gone by :(

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Nov 22, 2013 9:20:11 AM

991turbos2014: Newbie; Loc: uae dubai , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 3, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 2, 2013; Reply to: mc3744

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

mc3744:

Thanks RC, I will try that.

Today they phoned me and told me that Monday or Tuesday a technician will come from Porsche Italy HQ and should be able to fix it.

It's not clear what will happen of he won't.

Meanwhile a week has gone by :(

hi guys i have a 911 turbo s on order(october production) delivery date was scheduled to be mid december but yesterday my dealer calls me to tell me that these cars are all pushed one month untill mid january as porsche has a problem with the PDK rattling at around 10000km testing in turbo s cars and porsche also found some problems in the pdk rattling in the gt3 which also pushed their production a month or two. im getting really frustrated with this issue and i dont know how im going to wait longer having ordered the car in june.

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Nov 22, 2013 9:23:38 AM

Milanno: Senior; Loc: ... , Åland Islands; Posts: 766, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2011; Reply to: 991turbos2014

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Its better to wait some time for Porsche to fix everything in factory, instead having problem @300 km/h on Autobahn smiley

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Nov 22, 2013 9:33:02 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Milanno

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

I haven't heard of any PDK issues and the GT3 issues were indeed partially related to PDK but it wasn't about rattling to my knowledge (the GT3 and Turbo S PDK are different also).

Only thing I heard is that 991 Turbo/S demand has increased strongly.

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Nov 22, 2013 12:21:10 PM

orsi2003: Newbie; Loc: UAE; Posts: 44, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 25, 2008; Reply to: 991turbos2014

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

This is bad news. Smiley Mine supposed to go in production next week (week 48). i hope there will be no delay with my car.

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Nov 22, 2013 12:53:47 PM

sulaiman: Co-Pilot; Loc: kuwait , Kuwait; Posts: 179, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 24, 2013; Reply to: orsi2003

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

same thing here my dealer told me they have some tech problems and Quality Control Holding all cars " my car"

im suppose to have the car at early november its been pushed now to med late Dec

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Nov 22, 2013 1:42:25 PM

sfo: Rennteam Pro; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 2093, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: sulaiman

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

meanwhile in the UK, many, if not all, Porsche dealers have unsold Turbo S's sitting in the showroom.

one dealer in the Midlands has 3!!!

I have been to 3 separate dealers recently, and each of them had at least 1 Turbo S unsold.

chap on PH was even offered a 3% discount!

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Nov 22, 2013 2:08:47 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: sfo

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

sfo:

meanwhile in the UK, many, if not all, Porsche dealers have unsold Turbo S's sitting in the showroom.

one dealer in the Midlands has 3!!!

I have been to 3 separate dealers recently, and each of them had at least 1 Turbo S unsold.

chap on PH was even offered a 3% discount!

Why would they order a Turbo S for the dealership? Over here, many dealers avoid ordering such an expensive car for the dealership (in the hope that they are going to sell one to a customer) because customers interested in the Turbo S want their Turbo S with the options they selected before. Nobody over here spends over 200k EUR on a car he didn't order to specs. Understandable. 3% only for cars they cannot sell? Are you kidding me? I've got more (though not much more) from my dealer and I got his first car.

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Nov 22, 2013 2:15:18 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: sulaiman

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

sulaiman:

same thing here my dealer told me they have some tech problems and Quality Control Holding all cars " my car"

im suppose to have the car at early november its been pushed now to med late Dec

Maybe a certain batch of cars is affected only? Smiley Like I said before, I haven't heard of any issues with the Turbo S and reports on other car forums regarding German and US cars indicate that the cars are not delayed for any reasons. My dealer is also not aware of any delays (he would know, the GT3 delays "killed" him) and customer cars are produced and delivered right now.

I am sorry but have you actually thought that your dealer gave away "your" slot to a different customer?! Smiley
Demand for the 991 Turbo S has increased a lot, so I wouldn't be surprised if some dealers move certain production slots around to satisfy very good customers and/or not to loose a customer. Just saying...

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Nov 22, 2013 2:52:46 PM

GR: Senior; Loc: S Bucks, England , United Kingdom; Posts: 779, Gallery; Registered on: May 17, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

RC:

Why would they order a Turbo S for the dealership? Over here, many dealers avoid ordering such an expensive car for the dealership (in the hope that they are going to sell one to a customer) because customers interested in the Turbo S want their Turbo S with the options they selected before. Nobody over here spends over 200k EUR on a car he didn't order to specs. Understandable. 3% only for cars they cannot sell? Are you kidding me? I've got more (though not much more) from my dealer and I got his first car.

They might be taking sales for financial and/or allocation reasons? Also, I understand that many of the wealthy non-enthusiasts walk in and buy what they see. Alas, in the UK most Porsches are bought by people who are more interested in the brand than the product. I guess for these people instant gratification is more important than considered optimisation. And discounts/rebates are historically very rare in the UK but I have heard rumours that slow 981/991 sales have reveresed this a bit. But they are just rumours.

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Nov 22, 2013 3:03:56 PM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1223, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: GR

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Not rumours - precedents have already been set. (that said, I heard the DP at my OPC has recently been 'moved -on')

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Nov 22, 2013 3:05:38 PM

sfo: Rennteam Pro; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 2093, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: GR

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

GR:

RC:

Why would they order a Turbo S for the dealership? Over here, many dealers avoid ordering such an expensive car for the dealership (in the hope that they are going to sell one to a customer) because customers interested in the Turbo S want their Turbo S with the options they selected before. Nobody over here spends over 200k EUR on a car he didn't order to specs. Understandable. 3% only for cars they cannot sell? Are you kidding me? I've got more (though not much more) from my dealer and I got his first car.

They might be taking sales for financial and/or allocation reasons? Also, I understand that many of the wealthy non-enthusiasts walk in and buy what they see. Alas, in the UK most Porsches are bought by people who are more interested in the brand than the product. I guess for these people instant gratification is more important than considered optimisation. And discounts/rebates are historically very rare in the UK but I have heard rumours that slow 981/991 sales have reveresed this a bit. But they are just rumours.

they ordered the cars probably because they were obliged to ...

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Nov 22, 2013 3:12:49 PM

Italo: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1055, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 29, 2007; Reply to: bridggar

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

bridggar:

Not rumours - precedents have already been set. (that said, I heard the DP at my OPC has recently been 'moved -on')

really ! He didnt last long Smiley

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Nov 22, 2013 3:14:33 PM

Italo: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1055, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 29, 2007; Reply to: Italo

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Ferrari triumphs again Smiley

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/video-ferrari-f12-berlinetta-vs-porsche-911-turbo-s-vs-mercedes-sls-black-series

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Nov 22, 2013 3:21:13 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Italo

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Italo:

Ferrari triumphs again

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/video-ferrari-f12-berlinetta-vs-porsche-911-turbo-s-vs-mercedes-sls-black-series

You know how much the F12 costs? Smiley

Also watch the video carefully and you'll notice that in the beginning, the F12 stands no chance against the 991 Turbo S, despite the same 0-60 mph figures claimed in the video. Then throw in the daily driver capabilities of the 991 Turbo S and you realize fast that the F12 is an amazing car but the 991 Turbo S is the better choice in the end. Unless of course money doesn't matter and you have another sports car like the 991 Turbo S for winter and rain fun in your garage. Smiley

I still love the F12 but I'm glad I didn't go for one. Temptation was high though.

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Nov 22, 2013 3:48:25 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Italo

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Italo:

Ferrari triumphs again

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/video-ferrari-f12-berlinetta-vs-porsche-911-turbo-s-vs-mercedes-sls-black-series

I am not really impressed… Just some meters up to like 250 or 260kph… If you consider that the F12 has 740 instead of 560hp and that the 991 turbo s will probably kill the F12 in most other situations (track included) Smiley

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Nov 22, 2013 4:24:34 PM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3251, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: MKSGR

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First US Dyno for the TTS

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Nov 22, 2013 4:35:23 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

The F12 is around 10 meters in front of the 911 Turbo S. That's £10.000 per meter at UK prices. Not bad at all!

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Nov 22, 2013 4:54:37 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: reginos

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

reginos:

The F12 is around 10 meters in front of the 911 Turbo S. That's £10.000 per meter at UK prices. Not bad at all!

Plus you get a clumsy front-engined car with mediocre build quality… Not for me Smiley

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Nov 22, 2013 5:32:37 PM

sulaiman: Co-Pilot; Loc: kuwait , Kuwait; Posts: 179, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 24, 2013; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

he could not do that .. Smiley

no 991 TTs has been sold in kuwait yet ... the only car here is the Dealer demo car in white ,,,, as the pic i post yesterday

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Nov 22, 2013 5:46:41 PM

Italo: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1055, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 29, 2007; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

MKSGR:

reginos:

The F12 is around 10 meters in front of the 911 Turbo S. That's £10.000 per meter at UK prices. Not bad at all!

Plus you get a clumsy front-engined car with mediocre build quality… Not for me

Give the F12 AWD and it will eat the TTS COMPLETELY ! Build quality of F12 is on par with 991, gone are the days of shabby finish. Smiley

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Nov 22, 2013 5:55:39 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: Italo

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Italo:

MKSGR:

reginos:

The F12 is around 10 meters in front of the 911 Turbo S. That's £10.000 per meter at UK prices. Not bad at all!

Plus you get a clumsy front-engined car with mediocre build quality… Not for me

Give the F12 AWD and it will eat the TTS COMPLETELY !

The first thing that comes to mind on reading that is an old German saying: "If my aunt had balls she'd be my UNCLE!

Smiley

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Nov 22, 2013 6:25:22 PM

Italo: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1055, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 29, 2007; Reply to: fritz

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

fritz:
Italo:
MKSGR:
reginos:
The F12 is around 10 meters in front of the 911 Turbo S. That's £10.000 per meter at UK prices. Not bad at all!
Plus you get a clumsy front-engined car with mediocre build quality… Not for me
Give the F12 AWD and it will eat the TTS COMPLETELY !
The first thing that comes to mind on reading that is an old German saying: "If my aunt had balls she'd be my UNCLE!

Happy I'm not German Smiley

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Nov 22, 2013 7:39:56 PM

sulaiman: Co-Pilot; Loc: kuwait , Kuwait; Posts: 179, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 24, 2013; Reply to: fritz

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

well said Smiley Fritz

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Nov 22, 2013 7:54:10 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5821, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: Italo

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Italo:

fritz:

Italo:

MKSGR:

reginos:

The F12 is around 10 meters in front of the 911 Turbo S. That's £10.000 per meter at UK prices. Not bad at all!

Plus you get a clumsy front-engined car with mediocre build quality… Not for me

Give the F12 AWD and it will eat the TTS COMPLETELY !

The first thing that comes to mind on reading that is an old German saying: "If my aunt had balls she'd be my UNCLE!

Happy I'm not German

I'm not sure if this saying originated from Germany. It exists in different languages too.

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Nov 22, 2013 8:12:51 PM

Milanno: Senior; Loc: ... , Åland Islands; Posts: 766, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2011; Reply to: Gauss

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Is this black (Schwarz) from configurator or is it one from Exclusive program yes

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