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Nov 20, 2013 10:13:59 AM

993Targa: Rennteam Pro; Loc: ZH , Switzerland; Posts: 2522, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 16, 2004; Reply to: Avoe

Re: OFFICIAL: Porsche Macan

Avoe:
What I don't like, the brakes on the Turbo look really really small, and the worst part, the rear brake calipers! Why did they use those standard calipers on the back? This trend is actually visible on so many cars, AMG and Ms as well. I think it looks poor and I don't see any benefit beside cost saving?!

Good point, but I also think that 21" is too big for the Macan, the 20" Spyder wheels look right. This will also make the brakes look better in proportion.

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Nov 20, 2013 11:48:55 AM

pjd: Senior; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 752, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: 993Targa

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Funny.... indecision

http://www.autobild.de/bilder/porsche-macan-la-auto-show-2013-sitzprobe-4459761.html#bild5|ref=http://www.autobild.de/artikel/porsche-macan-la-auto-show-2013-sitzprobe-4459711.html

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Nov 20, 2013 11:56:39 AM

GM Austin: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Texas , United States; Posts: 3530, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 10, 2002; Reply to: pjd

Re: OFFICIAL: Porsche Macan

Looks nice! I like the final taillight look. Here's one of the many reviews that will be coming out today:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suvs/1311_2015_porsche_macan_first_look/

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Nov 20, 2013 12:58:28 PM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: GM Austin

Re: OFFICIAL: Porsche Macan

I am in minority since Macan is definitely not my cup of tea.

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Nov 20, 2013 1:07:55 PM

GR: Senior; Loc: S Bucks, England , United Kingdom; Posts: 779, Gallery; Registered on: May 17, 2005; Reply to: KresoF1

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I normally hate SUVs but I rather like this. Definitely the best of the bunch on paper so I can't wait to try one

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Nov 20, 2013 1:12:48 PM

keithos27: Pilot; Loc: Atlanta, GA , United States; Posts: 311, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2012; Reply to: GR

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Love the MF steering wheel... why can't the 911 and Panamera (actually all other models) get it too?

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Nov 20, 2013 1:19:24 PM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1223, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: keithos27

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Out of interest, how many other SUVs have dual clutch gearbox? Are we likely to see this in the Cayenne any time soon I wonder?

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Nov 20, 2013 1:35:23 PM

KMM: Expert; Loc: Boston, MA , United States; Posts: 1745, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 5, 2004; Reply to: bridggar

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Pretty good. The rear appears a bit too bulbous for my taste. The Macan continues the tradition of Porsche SUV's having much better front end styling than rear end styling (the front is great, especially on the non-Turbo model).

I love this blue color. Is it not the same Sapphire blue available on the other models? It looks a bit lighter, but hard to tell from the pictures. This could easily displace Maritime Blue a my favorite...

Time to place an order...

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Nov 20, 2013 1:45:00 PM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: bridggar

Re: OFFICIAL: Porsche Macan

bridggar:

Out of interest, how many other SUVs have dual clutch gearbox? Are we likely to see this in the Cayenne any time soon I wonder?

Only entry level Audi Q5... And this PDK is IMHO the biggest problem for Macan. IF it is as smooth at low speed and city driving as Panamera 4S PDK for example then I would not be interested at all in Macan.

There IS a good reason why other manufactures are using current SOTA 8 speed automatic in SUVs...

PDK in Cayenne? Smiley Smiley

PDK is natural choice for sportscar a la 991 or 981. BUT, not(IMHO) for SUV or even a sport sedan.

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Nov 20, 2013 1:49:25 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21152, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: OFFICIAL: Porsche Macan

KresoF1:

I am in minority since Macan is definitely not my cup of tea.

I think it looks very good, better than what is out there, and I'm sure that dinamically it will no doubt have the Porsche DNA and will be a step above the other compact SUVs in that too, but the reservation I have is if they have compromised too much practicality and versatility in a SUV in favor of the two aforementioned aspects.

Afterall its still a SUV and people who are looking for a SUV want a SUV (and not a saloon or much less a sportscar) because of its interior room, luggage space, confort, various climate and road versatility, etc... if you depart too much from those basic characteristics of a SUV, you may end up with a car that is neither a sporty car or a SUV, an can only appeal to those that have a fancy or impulse for it, but not the mainstream target population because it may have some deal brakers like for example, will older children fit confortably in the rear? will the rear luggage space be enough for most people? will de PDK be smooth enough compared to a torque converter, will it handle the strees and heat in slippery conditions like a torqueconverter? etc.

we will see....

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Nov 20, 2013 1:51:35 PM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2719, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: FlatSix911

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Major advancement in design--tail lights, nose, side cuts, sport MTF wheel. Porsche better bring out Cayenne FL quickly because demand for current model will melt away like butter on hotcakes.

A remarkable debut...

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Nov 20, 2013 1:57:50 PM

CPA4S: Senior; Loc: Ottawa area - Canada , Canada; Posts: 511, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2007; Reply to: RC

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RC:

I made a list of the Macan Turbo I would order if I order one (prices in Euro incl. 19% German VAT).

Caution: Some of the option prices are different for the S and the Diesel.

Macan Turbo - 79.826,00 €

Air Suspension - 1.475,60

Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus (incl. electr. rear axle diff.) - 1.487,50

Sport Chrono Package - 1.071,00

20’’ RS Spyder Design Wheels - 1.428,00

Agate Grey or Deep Black Met. Paint - 892,50

Sideblades Carbon - 606,90

Window Lines Black - 202,30

Roof Rail Black - 321,30

PDLS+ - 481,95

Illumination Comfort Package - 309,40

Privacy Glass (tinted) - 470,05

Sunvisor Sidewindows Rear - 214,20

3-Zone Climate Control - 368,90

Heated Seats (front & rear) - 761,60

Side Airbags (rear) - 368,90

Interior Surveillance Alarm System - 202,30

Park Assist front & rear incl. Rear View Camera - 1.309,00

Speed Control - 511,70

Lane Change Assist - 583,10

Porsche Entry & Drive 702,10

Skibag - 107,10

Floor Mats - 119,00

Leather interior bi-color 2.058,70

Interior Package Carbon - 844,90

Phone Module PCM - 714,00

Porsche Car Connect incl. PVTS Plus - 892,50

Online Services - 178,50

Total: 98.508,40 €

Under 100k € and almost 26k € cheaper than my (slower) Cayenne GTS.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)

they are only showing the start price in Canada, but extrapolating from that it looks like you could build this car of yours for under $105kCDN. that would be some $35k - $40k less than a similar Cayenne.

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2012 991 C2S -PDK / 2010 997.2 turbo cab manual, sold //2008 RS 60 sold /04 C4S sold - 08 Cayenne Turbo PDCC sold

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Nov 20, 2013 2:02:16 PM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: OFFICIAL: Porsche Macan

Carlos from Spain:

KresoF1:

I am in minority since Macan is definitely not my cup of tea.

I think it looks very good, better than what is out there, and I'm sure that dinamically it will no doubt have the Porsche DNA and will be a step above the other compact SUVs in that too, but the reservation I have is if they have compromised too much practicality and versatility in a SUV in favor of the two aforementioned aspects.

Afterall its still a SUV and people who are looking for a SUV want a SUV (and not a saloon or much less a sportscar) because of its interior room, luggage space, confort, various climate and road versatility, etc... if you depart too much from those basic characteristics of a SUV, you may end up with a car that is neither a sporty car or a SUV, an can only appeal to those that have a fancy or impulse for it, but not the mainstream target population because it may have some deal brakers like for example, will older children fit confortably in the rear? will the rear luggage space be enough for most people? will de PDK be smooth enough compared to a torque converter, will it handle the strees and heat in slippery conditions like a torqueconverter? etc.

we will see....

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Carlos,

you nailed potential Macan problems. Smiley

Very sporty SUV... What the f.ck does that mean?

A SUV that drives like 991? Well, that is a lie. Because, even a 991C4S will drive circles around Macan Turbo on race track.

Why would someone with small family(like myself, wife and one kid) get a Macan Turbo as a first car(if 991 Turbo S acts like a sportscar)?

I will probably be fryed for this-for ME Audi SQ5 TDI or S6 Avant(if I want sport caravan) any time over Macan. And I am huge Porsche fan(specially latest 991 Turbo/Turbo S or 991 GT3)...

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Nov 20, 2013 2:13:57 PM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1223, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: KresoF1

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Not so sure, if I were in the market for Q5, Evoque, XC60 or X3 - I'd certainly be looking very closely at the Macan. The sporting nature & brand cachet might very well sway me. (however I still need 7 seats!)

The 4 cyl variants will draw even more folks to the brand - who knows, this might even drive the labor rates down meaning my 991 will be even cheaper to service!

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Nov 20, 2013 2:15:49 PM

SportCarGroup: Expert; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 1834, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2012; Reply to: bridggar

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Nov 20, 2013 2:21:11 PM

Sidney: Pilot; Loc: D , Germany; Posts: 306, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 11, 2005; Reply to: SportCarGroup

Re: OFFICIAL: Porsche Macan

Hi all!

Just configured a Macan Diesel S and compared the final price with a Range Rover Sport :

Finally with the necessary equipment it´s absolutely the same price ( having in mind that on RRS you´ll get 10 % discount instead of only 5 % on Macan ).

The engine on RRS is 292 hp instead of 258 hp on Porsche and RRS has much much more space inside.

Sure - Porsche is sportier .... but minimum 10.000 EUR too expansive.

Best

Gregor

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Nov 20, 2013 2:23:59 PM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1223, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: Sidney

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FWIW - in the UK, the Evoque has been a big success. Many of the 2012 cars will be coming off-lease in 2015 just as the 4 cyl deliveries kick off. I personally expect many will migrate from LR to Porsche.

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Nov 20, 2013 2:28:34 PM

SportCarGroup: Expert; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 1834, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2012; Reply to: bridggar

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Somehow the Macan reminds me of this angry

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Nov 20, 2013 2:29:07 PM

SportCarGroup: Expert; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 1834, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2012; Reply to: SportCarGroup

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I hope Porsche will use this ne tail lights design for upcoming Cayenne

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Nov 20, 2013 2:30:36 PM

SportCarGroup: Expert; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 1834, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2012; Reply to: SportCarGroup

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Nov 20, 2013 2:42:15 PM

Atlantis: Senior; Loc: Warwickshire, England , United Kingdom; Posts: 550, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 23, 2003; Reply to: bridggar

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I think the Macan looks attractive, but the pricing of the S is challenging in the UK, especially considering that the standard specification doesn't include essentials such as metallic paint, bluetooth and leather upholstery.

I noticed in the press release that the boot capacity is only 17.7 cubic feet, which is less than my wife's Evoque. I think that the space in that isn't enough so the Macan is definitely not the most practical!

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Nov 20, 2013 3:10:15 PM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1223, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: Atlantis

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Anyone know if PCC (Porsche Car Connect) is available for other models? Can it be retrofitted? Seems to be made by the same folks who do the PVTS system....

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Nov 20, 2013 3:36:23 PM

kalisto5: Newbie; Loc: spb , Russia; Posts: 6, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 6, 2013; Reply to: bridggar

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so what about blue colour? is it exclusive programm? will it be awaible??

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Nov 20, 2013 3:57:41 PM

vtrader: Veteran; Loc: Los Angeles; Posts: 1086, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 6, 2004; Reply to: kalisto5

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There has always been an option called PAINT TO ORDER, it should be available one way or another. Smiley

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Nov 20, 2013 4:22:34 PM

turbolite: Veteran; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 1012, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 26, 2004; Reply to: vtrader

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Good looking in my opinion, but once again I hate that price differnce between Switzerland and the USA.

105 Suissies against 72 usd for the Turbo, that's 40% difference, crazy!!

WE GET SCREWED SO BADLY BY PORSCHE IN THIS COUNTRY!!!! mail

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Nov 20, 2013 4:35:47 PM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1223, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: turbolite

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The UK used to be worse for this, especially in the late 90's - happily this seems to have been addressed now.

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Nov 20, 2013 4:45:49 PM

neunelf: Senior; Loc: Switzerland; Posts: 610, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 4, 2003; Reply to: turbolite

Re: OFFICIAL: Porsche Macan

turbolite:

Good looking in my opinion, but once again I hate that price differnce between Switzerland and the USA.

105 Suissies against 72 usd for the Turbo, that's 40% difference, crazy!!

WE GET SCREWED SO BADLY BY PORSCHE IN THIS COUNTRY!!!!

Take a look at Global Car Trading. My wife just bought her Range Rover there and is very happy.

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Nov 20, 2013 4:49:21 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: neunelf

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Pretty nice! MPG? I priced a somewhat loaded Macan Turbo for $92k, $30k cheaper than Cayenne.

Between a Macan and a Panamera, for the price difference, the Macan is a much much better proposition...

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Nov 20, 2013 4:51:03 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: bridggar

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bridggar:

Out of interest, how many other SUVs have dual clutch gearbox? Are we likely to see this in the Cayenne any time soon I wonder?

The DCTs tried on the Cayenne prototypes overheated during slow speed off road maneuvers and when towing at slow speeds. It was decided that on cars with offroad bias torque converter autos are the more suitable.

Apparently the Macan is not destined for serious offroading and the more "sporty" PDK was chosen.

Audi in the Q5 they use both S-tronic (Diesel 2.0 and 3.0) and tiptronic (petrol 2.0 and 3.0 and 3.0 diesel in the SQ5).

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Nov 20, 2013 5:19:31 PM

SuzyF: Expert; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 1306, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2013; Reply to: reginos

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Am I the only one that thinks the Macan (especially the Turbo) is a real bargain??

Just specced a Macan Turbo on the Swiss configurator and it's only CHF15k more expensive than what I paid for my SQ5. That's a lot less than I expected and that's even without any discounts.

Too bad that not all options are available yet. Black/Saddle or Agate/Pebble interiors will be available from oktober 2014 and i miss some other options (especially leather options and exterior colors), but I guess those will come available in the upcoming months, like always with Porsche.

i definitely want one, but I guess I'll have to wait untill next year when all options come available. Great car! Exactly how I want an SUV to be. :)

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