Wonderbar:
Under the camo, taillights still look like current Cayenne. Hope not on actual car...
Sydney, look very carefully and imagine that the lights are "cut off" by the camouflage on the left and right.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
LUPINN:
that will be the new standard steering wheel, I suppose... and not only for the Macan... Cayenne restyling will have the same
Knowing Porsche I guess it should read:
that will be the new optional steering wheel, I suppose...
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
vtrader:
Hey RC,
Who do you have covering the LA Auto Show? As a legit. photographer, I will volunteer. We should be able to get a press pass for the unveiling.
If it would be up to me, I would really try to get much more access to official press events and similar stuff but I am only a humble servant of this community and have neither the time nor the knowledge/experience to make that happen. The owner of RT pays the bills and keeps this site up and running but everything else, well...I'm afraid we (me and the mods) are powerless. I try to share with you guys (almost) everything I learn on a private level from Porsche but officially, we are just another car forum I'm afraid. Even if I know for a fact that Porsche reads us and appreciates this forum. Officially, this isn't worth much I'm afraid. Thanks for your offer btw..
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Christian, it's only a matter of time before Porsche wakes up to the power of forum such as this. Look at BimmerPost. BMW have their marketing team participating in that forum and give information to the forum that has never been unveiled anywhere else. They are smart, it's the most direct form of communication with their current and prospective customers.
I am planning to be at the LA Show during press days, "God willing and the creek don't rise". On having influence, i would say that Porsche spokesmen and officials are professionals at staying with the company line. For the most part I agree, since Porsche is extremely good at market research, pricing vis a vis competition, resource planning and product development. Customer views most often do not have such considerations.
BUT, I do know personally that the simultaneous offering of the 991Turbo S and the 991 Turbo was at least in part the result of wealthy buyers complaining that they did not want to wait for the top of the line model. These customers can pay and pay now. And the new strategy seems to be working, as I know three good friends (admittedly a small sample size) who have ordered a Turbo S, and four if you count our esteemed founder!
Wonderbar:
I am planning to be at the LA Show during press days, "God willing and the creek don't rise". On having influence, i would say that Porsche spokesmen and officials are professionals at staying with the company line. For the most part I agree, since Porsche is extremely good at market research, pricing vis a vis competition, resource planning and product development. Customer views most often do not have such considerations.
BUT, I do know personally that the simultaneous offering of the 991Turbo S and the 991 Turbo was at least in part the result of wealthy buyers complaining that they did not want to wait for the top of the line model. These customers can pay and pay now. And the new strategy seems to be working, as I know three good friends (admittedly a small sample size) who have ordered a Turbo S, and four if you count our esteemed founder!
Make that five
Suzy
Oct 20, 2013 10:07:48 AM
The "Turbo S" is a way of bundling a number of desirable options and offering them in a package that one can almost justify as being "good value."
Effectively it's a way to have more people pay for more options.
I, for one, fell for it on the 991...and probably will for the Macan too
Oct 20, 2013 3:30:38 PM
By now, we should all know and understand the "bait-and-switch" nature of the regular and S models. I put bait-and-swtich in quotes because it is not an accurate description. But neither does "loss-leader" apply. In economic terms, this is simply a smart way of carrying out price discrimination and siphoning off consumer surplus.
Basically, people who can already afford the regular model with some options generally can also afford the S version. Most people end up getting the S version, even if grudgingly in some cases, because we know that the S version is really what Porsche should have put out there as the regular model already. Does Ferrari play these games with its customers?
It is a crafty way of getting most everybody to pay the premium, while thinking they are getting something special in return. The $10,000 premium Porsche charges for a Boxster S over the base Boxster is most likely 90% pure profit. Good for them.
KMM:
By now, we should all know and understand the "bait-and-switch" nature of the regular and S models. I put bait-and-swtich in quotes because it is not an accurate description. But neither does "loss-leader" apply. In economic terms, this is simply a smart way of carrying out price discrimination and siphoning off consumer surplus.
Basically, people who can already afford the regular model with some options generally can also afford the S version. Most people end up getting the S version, even if grudgingly in some cases, because we know that the S version is really what Porsche should have put out there as the regular model already. Does Ferrari play these games with its customers?
It is a crafty way of getting most everybody to pay the premium, while thinking they are getting something special in return. The $10,000 premium Porsche charges for a Boxster S over the base Boxster is most likely 90% pure profit. Good for them.
The 997, I'll admit was a no-brainer for S over standard Carrera. It needed PASM, 19" wheels & xenon lights. 991 however, isn't quite so compelling as the standard kit is OK and the engine is to my mind, more fun in the UK. I can imagine quite some thought being given to Macan specs right now at Porsche HQ. The Cayenne bog standard Diesel is the better selling car in UK and again, doesn't need a fortune spending on it (wheels aside) to get it to a sensible proposition.
991 (what a car!) XC90 - Black/Black 2 kids, 1 dog
Oct 21, 2013 8:06:14 AM
bridggar:
KMM:
By now, we should all know and understand the "bait-and-switch" nature of the regular and S models. I put bait-and-swtich in quotes because it is not an accurate description. But neither does "loss-leader" apply. In economic terms, this is simply a smart way of carrying out price discrimination and siphoning off consumer surplus.
Basically, people who can already afford the regular model with some options generally can also afford the S version. Most people end up getting the S version, even if grudgingly in some cases, because we know that the S version is really what Porsche should have put out there as the regular model already. Does Ferrari play these games with its customers?
It is a crafty way of getting most everybody to pay the premium, while thinking they are getting something special in return. The $10,000 premium Porsche charges for a Boxster S over the base Boxster is most likely 90% pure profit. Good for them.
The 997, I'll admit was a no-brainer for S over standard Carrera. It needed PASM, 19" wheels & xenon lights. 991 however, isn't quite so compelling as the standard kit is OK and the engine is to my mind, more fun in the UK. I can imagine quite some thought being given to Macan specs right now at Porsche HQ. The Cayenne bog standard Diesel is the better selling car in UK and again, doesn't need a fortune spending on it (wheels aside) to get it to a sensible proposition.
+1
I actually find the base 991 Carrera to be a lot more enjoyable than the 991 Carrera S. More manageable power than the bombastic nature of the S, a little more fun to work the 3.4L engine to extract the available power and the same fit, finish and quality of the higher model - and the same options list. It's all the sports car I really need when I think of the speed and handling I want on tap.
rulesdontapply
2008 Porsche Boxster S PDE2
2012 Porsche Cayenne S
Oct 21, 2013 12:40:23 PM
I thought the 997 Gen 1 PASM dampers were far worse than the standard dampers and the 18" wheels provided a better ride with a more pleasant transition from grip to slip. I haven't driven a Gen II non S 997 but PASM improved drastically on the S.
Gen II Cayman S
Oct 21, 2013 1:08:36 PM
Truth is: If I would be a Porsche novice, I would probably get a simple 991 Carrera. No S, no Turbo S, just keeping it plain and simple. This gives a Porsche novice the chance to learn and love the 911 concept. Then, after a while, the way is open to 911 wonderland. I know this may sound weird but I really think that the 991 Carrera is a great entry to the 911 world.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Wonderbar:
I am planning to be at the LA Show during press days, "God willing and the creek don't rise". On having influence, i would say that Porsche spokesmen and officials are professionals at staying with the company line. For the most part I agree, since Porsche is extremely good at market research, pricing vis a vis competition, resource planning and product development. Customer views most often do not have such considerations.
BUT, I do know personally that the simultaneous offering of the 991Turbo S and the 991 Turbo was at least in part the result of wealthy buyers complaining that they did not want to wait for the top of the line model. These customers can pay and pay now. And the new strategy seems to be working, as I know three good friends (admittedly a small sample size) who have ordered a Turbo S, and four if you count our esteemed founder!
I'm always in for the good stuff...
Btw: I noticed that in the US, many customers seem to choose the regular 991 Turbo instead of the Turbo S. Maybe I'm wrong but I read a couple of posts in various Porsche forums and it seems that way?
991 Turbo S demand in Germany seems to pick up now, maybe because the first reviews are available and maybe also because the first cars hit the streets (and some larger dealerships).
Back to topic (Macan): I am seriously considering exchanging our Cayenne GTS for a Macan Turbo or Turbo S in two years, when the lease runs out. My wife isn't too much into traveling by car, she prefers planes. So we may not need a larger SUV anymore if the Macan has the right size for us.
I won't lie, the (substantially?) lower price tag (vs. the Cayenne) is also a reason I would go for the Macan instead. It would allow me to stick to a weekend fun car (911) while driving a nice Porsche family car (Macan) too.
Let's hope Porsche doesn't charge over 100k EUR for a well equipped Macan Turbo.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
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