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Aug 22, 2013 9:29:07 PM

Cocodrilo: Co-Pilot; Loc: Miami , United States; Posts: 160, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 1, 2006; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

RC, is PAG now open to all journalists for evaluation of the 991 turbo? I can see they are inviting a few selected ones to their home track for testing...

When do you think the US magazines like R&T and C&D will make their reviews? While 0-60 mph is not what matters to most, I suspect the turbo non-s will hit 2.6 seg and the Turbo S 2.5 or even 2.4 ..... The 997 turbo S hit 2.6 according R&T I dont see why not the new Turbo non-S hit the same mark with almost identical HP and a better PDK architecture that the S it replaces.

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Aug 22, 2013 9:36:42 PM

marko: Newbie; Loc: vienna , Austria; Posts: 4, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2013; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

here is my judgement until i drive one (in 3 weeks time): very fast, technologically very accomplished, ugly duckling-styling (form follows function? not sure.......) and uninspiring. it is probably the best sportscar, but certainly not a supercar. why? well, a supercar is neither defined by speed nor practicality (nobody NEEDS a supercar) but by emotions and desirability. unfortunately herr achleitner forgot to program that into the turbo. this concept works well for the carrera models, which are much more prone to rational buying decisions, but IMHO it fails for the much more expensive turbos. herr preuninger did a much better job in this respect, the GT3 is super-desirable, even by supercar standards. the turbos are just scaled down panameras which in turn are height-trimmed and stretched cayennes. in fact, the turbo S has the same desirablility factor as the cayenne turbo (is there an S?).

the reviews so far: mostly total crab, they are just stunned by speed and acceleration. no info on turbo lag, sound, overall feeling etc.

peter

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Aug 22, 2013 9:58:36 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59581, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Cocodrilo

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Reviews should pour in now...looking forward to CH's video review.

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Aug 22, 2013 10:20:30 PM

absent: Pilot; Loc: Illinois , United States; Posts: 365, Gallery; Registered on: May 6, 2012; Reply to: marko

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

marko:

here is my judgement until i drive one (in 3 weeks time): very fast, technologically very accomplished, ugly duckling-styling (form follows function? not sure.......) and uninspiring. it is probably the best sportscar, but certainly not a supercar. why? well, a supercar is neither defined by speed nor practicality (nobody NEEDS a supercar) but by emotions and desirability. unfortunately herr achleitner forgot to program that into the turbo. this concept works well for the carrera models, which are much more prone to rational buying decisions, but IMHO it fails for the much more expensive turbos. herr preuninger did a much better job in this respect, the GT3 is super-desirable, even by supercar standards. the turbos are just scaled down panameras which in turn are height-trimmed and stretched cayennes. in fact, the turbo S has the same desirablility factor as the cayenne turbo (is there an S?).

the reviews so far: mostly total crab, they are just stunned by speed and acceleration. no info on turbo lag, sound, overall feeling etc.

peter

Opinions are like as****s,everybody has one.

Your opinions,fortunately,are just that,"yours" and totally irrelevant to the majority of folks who make the market for the 911 Turbo.

Fabulous car,great job from Porsche and definitely a car worth the "hypercar" moniker,better then your average "supercar" built (and used mostly) for posing and slow cruising in St Tropez. Smiley

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Aug 22, 2013 10:22:31 PM

artur777: Senior; Loc: Europe , Russia; Posts: 774, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2008; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

RC:

Reviews should pour in now...looking forward to CH's video review.

when will be the Supertest)?

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Aug 23, 2013 12:06:59 AM

Cocodrilo: Co-Pilot; Loc: Miami , United States; Posts: 160, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 1, 2006; Reply to: artur777

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

By looking at some vids, I have the feeling that the Turbo has a sports exhaust fitted as standard and the valves are opened on startup and when you hit the sports button.......

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Aug 23, 2013 7:29:19 AM

spudgun: Veteran; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 1212, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2006; Reply to: Cocodrilo

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Here's another short review from Pistonheads:

http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=105&i=28329

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Aug 23, 2013 9:49:49 AM

TomSilver: Junior; Loc: NRW , Germany; Posts: 115, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 4, 2004; Reply to: spudgun

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

spudgun:

Here's another short review from Pistonheads:

http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=105&i=28329

Am I the only one who finds it strange that they say not a single word about the engine sound?

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Aug 23, 2013 9:53:34 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: TomSilver

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

TomSilver:

spudgun:

Here's another short review from Pistonheads:

http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=105&i=28329

Am I the only one who finds it strange that they say not a single word about the engine sound?

They heard none. Smiley

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Aug 23, 2013 10:29:25 AM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3251, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: Rossi

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Rossi:

TomSilver:

spudgun:

Here's another short review from Pistonheads:

http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=105&i=28329

Am I the only one who finds it strange that they say not a single word about the engine sound?

They heard none.

Or the turbo comes with a mute button instead of the actual exhaust button Smiley

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Aug 23, 2013 1:12:37 PM

orsi2003: Newbie; Loc: UAE; Posts: 44, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 25, 2008; Reply to: BiTurbo

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

....listen to the exhaust in this video review

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Aug 23, 2013 2:51:41 PM

Cocodrilo: Co-Pilot; Loc: Miami , United States; Posts: 160, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 1, 2006; Reply to: orsi2003

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Not a great review....

http://www.edmunds.com/porsche/911/2014/road-test1.html

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Aug 23, 2013 3:16:59 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Cocodrilo

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Cocodrilo:

Not a great review....

http://www.edmunds.com/porsche/911/2014/road-test1.html

Ouch! Reading between the lines other than its substantial power characteristics the 991TTS doesn't provide a better driving experience than a Cayman but at three times the cost.

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Aug 23, 2013 3:55:08 PM

Cocodrilo: Co-Pilot; Loc: Miami , United States; Posts: 160, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 1, 2006; Reply to: orsi2003

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

The exhaust note on the Italian review sounds great, equal or better than the one in 991C2S in my opinion. You can also hear the sound symposer doing its work. Clear boxer sound ! Smiley

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Aug 23, 2013 4:06:48 PM

Cocodrilo: Co-Pilot; Loc: Miami , United States; Posts: 160, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 1, 2006; Reply to: Cocodrilo

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Now we are talking.... wink

http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=105&i=28329

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Aug 23, 2013 5:30:02 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Cocodrilo

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

This part of Pistonheads review kills any enthusiasm for me:

"The electrically assisted steering doesn't offer any true feel. It's crisper than a standard Carrera's and, thanks to specific calibration work and the rear-wheel steering, it feels more responsive, but still numb, as is the brake pedal."

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Aug 23, 2013 6:30:30 PM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: Grant

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

I would not take any UK and USA based review seriously lately.

Only sportscars that gets good review from these sources are: manual gearbox and hydraulic servo steering based sportscars.

Excellent reviews from same USA/UK based mags and webzines are expected when someone produce non ESP, non servo brakes, non servo steering sportcars again... That sportscar will have awsome FEEL... Smiley Smiley

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Aug 23, 2013 6:56:12 PM

TomSilver: Junior; Loc: NRW , Germany; Posts: 115, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 4, 2004; Reply to: Cocodrilo

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Cocodrilo:

The exhaust note on the Italian review sounds great, equal or better than the one in 991C2S in my opinion. You can also hear the sound symposer doing its work. Clear boxer sound !

I'm sorry, but I must have seen another video. I found the sound in the italian video completely disappointing. That thing has no sound at all. Unbelievable.

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Aug 23, 2013 8:14:36 PM

JimFlat6: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cave , United States; Posts: 8633, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

KresoF1:

I would not take any UK and USA based review seriously lately.

Only sportscars that gets good review from these sources are: manual gearbox and hydraulic servo steering based sportscars.

Excellent reviews from same USA/UK based mags and webzines are expected when someone produce non ESP, non servo brakes, non servo steering sportcars again... That sportscar will have awsome FEEL...

You must be waiting for the new Alfa Romeo coupe.....l Smiley

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Aug 23, 2013 8:28:25 PM

Cocodrilo: Co-Pilot; Loc: Miami , United States; Posts: 160, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 1, 2006; Reply to: JimFlat6

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

TomSilver, here you can hear the exhaust .... I like it much better than my previous 997 Turbo S ! In fact, I like it a lot !!!

http://teamspeed.com/forums/991-997-996-turbo/80672-autobild-drives-991-turbo-s.html

What a gorgeous car the 991 Turbo is .... ! ....

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Aug 23, 2013 8:42:41 PM

Tony007: Co-Pilot; Loc: Leesburg FL , United States; Posts: 178, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 12, 2006; Reply to: Cocodrilo

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Cocodrilo:

TomSilver, here you can hear the exhaust .... I like it much better than my previous 997 Turbo S ! In fact, I like it a lot !!!

http://teamspeed.com/forums/991-997-996-turbo/80672-autobild-drives-991-turbo-s.html

What a gorgeous car the 991 Turbo is .... ! ....

Sounds like a bit like sport exhaust to me when he hits the sport plus button, gurgling / spitting and all..

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Aug 23, 2013 8:43:12 PM

absent: Pilot; Loc: Illinois , United States; Posts: 365, Gallery; Registered on: May 6, 2012; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

KresoF1:

I would not take any UK and USA based review seriously lately.

Only sportscars that gets good review from these sources are: manual gearbox and hydraulic servo steering based sportscars.

Excellent reviews from same USA/UK based mags and webzines are expected when someone produce non ESP, non servo brakes, non servo steering sportcars again... That sportscar will have awsome FEEL...

Very true.

None of these scribes represent the real buyers for these cars,they get these things for just a few hours of "testing" and they are looking for maximum entertainment and excitement in that short time,even if it requires unnecessary effort and sweat.

They are bored,since 90% of cars they usually test (and own) are compact and subcompact boredom/commuter appliances.The only worthy reviews come from journalists who also put their $$ where their mouths are,folks like Metcalfe or Harris for example.

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Aug 23, 2013 10:16:50 PM

mv: Senior; Loc:; Posts: 519, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 8, 2004; Reply to: absent

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Sounds quite good to me from inside:

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Aug 24, 2013 4:47:15 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59581, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: mv

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Guys, from the inside, the new Turbo S sounds MUCH better than the old one, it actually has a sporty "hauling" sound, which gets very nice over 4500 rpm. This sound is actually more muted in the regular Turbo.

From the outside, the (whoosh) sound is the same but louder and more intensive.

The steering is 10% more direct than in the GT3, so now you know what I think about those reviews...

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Aug 24, 2013 5:02:29 AM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3251, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: RC

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

Any other 0 - 200 tests ? so far they all post 10.3s without gps/vbox devices

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Aug 24, 2013 8:29:41 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: RC

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RC:
The steering is 10% more direct than in the GT3, so now you know what I think about those reviews...

Drive-by-review indecision

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Aug 24, 2013 12:19:37 PM

pxaxh: Co-Pilot; Loc: melbourne , Australia; Posts: 283, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 16, 2011; Reply to: reginos

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMsgICXfTec
That is 9 seconds on my stopwatch. Very fast indeed.

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Aug 24, 2013 1:06:54 PM

TB993tt: Rennteam Pro; Loc: manchester , United Kingdom; Posts: 2280, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2002; Reply to: pxaxh

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pxaxh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMsgICXfTec
That is 9 seconds on my stopwatch. Very fast indeed.

Looks like about 18s 200 to 298kph so even allowing for speedo errors sub 30s 0-300kph looks very possible - impressive Smiley

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Aug 24, 2013 1:14:23 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: TB993tt

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TB993tt:

pxaxh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMsgICXfTec
That is 9 seconds on my stopwatch. Very fast indeed.

Looks like about 18s 200 to 298kph so even allowing for speedo errors sub 30s 0-300kph looks very possible - impressive

Correcting for speedometer accurancy I would estimate something like 34s for 0-300kph. (Real 300kph should be like 315 on the speedo, 298-315 on the speedo would be at least 6s, i.e. 18+6=24s for 200-300kph.)

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Aug 24, 2013 1:20:58 PM

pxaxh: Co-Pilot; Loc: melbourne , Australia; Posts: 283, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 16, 2011; Reply to: MKSGR

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New speedos are more accurate MKSGR. I don't think the difference will be that big, maybe 3 seconds but not 6.

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