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Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S
I'm actually bored with single colors, I want to try something new. Not sure about black/red though, maybe black/brown. Like I said before, I really need to see these color combos live before I make a final decision.
I also would love too see black with yellow stitching (matching the PCCB) but it isn't available (yet).
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Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S
sulaiman:
just checking if all good ?? ,,,
its been a long time no new post !??!!?!?!?
Long time? 24 hours? 
As soon as there is something new, I am pretty sure that it will be posted here. I think we discussed every possible angle so far, so now we have to wait for more information, more photos and at some point, a review or user driving report (which make take until October though).
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Jun 6, 2013 2:37:41 PM
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Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S
TB993tt:
Good read thanks for sharing.
Why does the turbo S only manage 318kph when the 997GT2 does 329kph with 20PS less ?
Is it gearing or weaker horses (at maximum load) or maybe just marketing decision
According to my P source max speed is electronically limited due to tires. Unlimited 991 Turbo S could reach 331km/h,
Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S
TB993tt:
Good read thanks for sharing.
Why does the turbo S only manage 318kph when the 997GT2 does 329kph with 20PS less ?
Is it gearing or weaker horses (at maximum load) or maybe just marketing decision
As Kreso said...it could be electronic limiting (I actually heard that it is due to the gearing ratio, incl. the "long" 7th and 8th gears) but it could also be a longer gear ratio (I don't have the numbers at hand) on the GT2 because it is weird that the 997 Turbo S is one second faster from 0-200 kph than the lighter GT2. Yes, traction is better on the 997 Turbo S but still, the GT2 is slower and weights almost 100 kg less.
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Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S
RC:
because it is weird that the 997 Turbo S is one second faster from 0-200 kph than the lighter GT2. Yes, traction is better on the 997 Turbo S but still, the GT2 is slower and weights almost 100 kg less.
PDK vs manual? PDK really counts on the acceleration times up to around 200kph.
Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S
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RC:because it is weird that the 997 Turbo S is one second faster from 0-200 kph than the lighter GT2. Yes, traction is better on the 997 Turbo S but still, the GT2 is slower and weights almost 100 kg less.PDK vs manual? PDK really counts on the acceleration times up to around 200kph.
True but the GT2 is 100 kg lighter...I really don't have the gear ratio figures at hand, so I could be wrong.
Maybe the 997 Turbo S gets a 0.5 seconds advantage from standstill due to the better AWD traction and then profits from PDK too in the process but still, the difference is quite obvious, despite the same power.
On the other hand, I heard that the new 991 GT2 RS with PDK is going to do 0-200 kph under 9 seconds with a 10 hp power increase only (over the "old" 997 GT2 RS), so maybe you are right, PDK is a huge advantage.
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Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S
991GT2 RS with 630hp will be a step in right direction for sure.
But i wonder what engine this car will have as i am not all convinced yet the new turbo has a substantially different engine than the last turboS whose block/rods went nuclear at circa 650hp lol.
Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S
RC, it is ALL the PDK, if you look at an acceleration curve for a PDK turbo there are no dips whatsoever in fact the boost is maintained throughout. The 997 GT2 has three gear changes where boost falls off each change adding around 1.5s to the 0-200kph compared to PDK turbo/S.
I had a drag "race" against a turbo S (with ECU tune maybe 600PS but maybe not - I'm not convinced with the tuning on these models) with me running Gt2 with 700hp, he used his launch control and PDK to perfection and destroyed my (admittedly pretty amateur and feeble) attempt to deploy my mega torque up the airfield, I pulled him back around 260kph.
When really concentrating and getting everything just right I have managed 0-200kph in 9.4s on the 700PS manual GT2 (with a 3.9s 0-100kph) but this is where the PDK is so awesome as you can do amazingly fast 0-200s every time whereas with a manual it is not an easy thing....
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Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S
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991GT2 RS with 630hp will be a step in right direction for sure.
But i wonder what engine this car will have as i am not all convinced yet the new turbo has a substantially different engine than the last turboS whose block/rods went nuclear at circa 650hp lol.
Power isn't everything... 
but besides that, I cannot answer this question with 100% certainty.
Porsche claims that the new 991 Turbo/Turbo S has 90% new parts compared to the "old" 997 Turbo/Turbo S. This sounds promising. From what I heard, the engine block and of course the internals too, have been changed and improved. The engine may even use the same base as the GT3 engine and vice versa. Same goes to the VTG chargers, new technical design. I also heard that the AWD system is a completely new development with huge improvements. Same goes to steering, according to rumors, it is 10% more direct than on the Carrera and the PDK gearbox, which according to rumors, has been revamped completely and provides amazingly short shifting times compared to the "old" version. I think I do not have to talk about the all-wheel steering system. The 991 Turbo/Turbo S also seem to have a sound symposer and an improved exhaust/engine sound. Do not expect a GT3 sound but according to rumors, the sound is close to the 991 Carrera PSE when driving in Sport Chrono mode. Sounds good but I have to admit that what I heard so far, sounded a bit damped. 
From the inside however, there is an improvement, this is for sure.
Now I have to rely on rumors and semi-official information. I will know more as soon as I put my hands on the technical details at some point in the future. Right now, all I know for sure seems to be that the 991 Turbo and Turbo S engine share the very same hardware, only the software makes the 40 hp difference. I always have hoped that this isn't true but so far, every bit of information I have indicates this.
I will be at the factory at the end of the month but I don't know if I am going to be able to drive or at least drive in a 991 Turbo. All I get will be probably "only" a good look at various color combos, if I am lucky.
I feel the pain of some guys here who blindly ordered a 991 Turbo/Turbo S or who want to order one but cannot decide. I wish I could help and I will try to help by collecting some first glimpses, maybe including the engine/exhaust sound but please understand that I am at the mercy of Porsche here. Actually, it would be very clever of them to allow me to take photos and to listen or even record sound and maybe I am getting this chance but right now, my hopes are limited and if they decide to do us all something good, the better.
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Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S
RC:
Right now, all I know for sure seems to be that the 991 Turbo and Turbo S engine share the very same hardware, only the software makes the 40 hp difference. I always have hoped that this isn't true but so far, every bit of information I have indicates this.--RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)
The 40hp bump in the Turbo S only represents an increase of 7.7% over the Turbo. In a turbocharged car, VERY little is required to achieve this sort of increase. So, it makes sense (even if disappointing) that there would be no significant hardware change. I bet they could add 100hp with no hardware change if they wanted...
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Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S
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RC:
Right now, all I know for sure seems to be that the 991 Turbo and Turbo S engine share the very same hardware, only the software makes the 40 hp difference. I always have hoped that this isn't true but so far, every bit of information I have indicates this.--RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)
The 40hp bump in the Turbo S only represents an increase of 7.7% over the Turbo. In a turbocharged car, VERY little is required to achieve this sort of increase. So, it makes sense (even if disappointing) that there would be no significant hardware change. I bet they could add 100hp with no hardware change if they wanted...
Shhh.... Quiet, that's for the facelift!
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Jun 7, 2013 7:54:48 AM
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Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S
SoCal Alan:
Red/Beige
Classic... 
Red is too much for my neighborhood though. My dealer has a used red 997 Turbo S and I'm not sure this color fits a 997 Turbo S too well. Can't explain it... 
(see photo). Looks too much "Ferrari-ish" to me.
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Jun 7, 2013 8:53:40 AM
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Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S
RC:
SoCal Alan:
Red/Beige
Classic...
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Agreed! However I do like Ruby Red. The darker red is very nice and it provides a very nice contrast to a beige interior. I'm quite surprised that we don't see many cars with this combination. My taste is obviously not very main-stream.
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Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S
RC:
SoCal Alan:
Red/Beige
Classic...
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IMHO, it looks really nice. Red works well on the 997
The car is still small enough.
On the "stretch out" 991, flashy colors do not work (yellow, red, white, etc.) The only colors I like on the 991 are black & agate grey. Maybe silver, but not so sure.
Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S
RC:
Extreme color...not my thing but looks interesting (Porsche Exclusive...thanks to Christophorus).
Sorry for the bad quality...
Yes, from Christophorus and upcoming 991 new Exclusive catalogue.
Even this pics confims(for me, at least) that XRU 20" Sport Classic wheels are the best wheels for new Turbo.
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