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May 21, 2013 3:06:11 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002

BMW M5 Facelift (2013)

A couple of minor visual changes, nothing really groundbreaking or really new (new colors from BMW Individual, also new online music service, new optional touch controller for the Navi system, smaller steering wheel, etc.).

Engine stays the same but optional Performance Package available with 15 hp more, a sportier chassis setup, new 20'' wheels, a new traction management setup, new steering setup and black chrome exhaust pipes. Same package is available for the M6 models. Price tag for M5: 8800 EUR (incl. 19% VAT). Performance improvement: 0.1 seconds from 0-100 kph and 0.2 seconds from 0-200 kph.

Available (in Germany) starting July 2013.

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May 21, 2013 3:24:52 PM

Kozzoloz: Co-Pilot; Loc: Fort Lauderdale, Florida , United States; Posts: 216, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 23, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: BMW M5 Facelift (2013)

I am surprised there is no digital dash yet.

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May 21, 2013 3:37:15 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12681, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Kozzoloz

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Kozzoloz:

I am surprised there is no digital dash yet.

I hope there never will be one. Smiley

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May 22, 2013 5:42:14 AM

J.Seven: Rennteam Master; Loc: Estoril , Portugal; Posts: 3201, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 16, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

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What!!!! 2013 M5 Smiley But the M5 was launched in very end of 2011 wasn't it? Not even two years have passed and a FL is being made Smiley There's something wrong here, maybe M5 was launch on begining 2010 but I really dont think so ! Would love to see a side by side pic with the new and old model, can't almost see any difference from this pic!

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May 22, 2013 7:59:04 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

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Rossi:

Kozzoloz:

I am surprised there is no digital dash yet.

I hope there never will be one.

Why? You could choose from different skins, which would be amazing.

I had an Opel Kadett GSi almost 30 years ago, this car was a sensation at that time (Vmax 203 kph with "only" 115 hp, digital dash). The digital dash was fun and worked quite well, with the current display technology and fast CPU/GPU combos, I think that manufacturers could produce an amazing digital dash, maybe so good that you wouldn't even notice it is digital. Smiley

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May 22, 2013 9:48:52 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: RC

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RC:

I had an Opel Kadett GSi almost 30 years ago, this car was a sensation at that time (Vmax 203 kph with "only" 115 hp, digital dash)..

This was an amazing car indeed. I can still remember driving in it (as a passenger...) Smiley Smiley Smiley

BTW, a FL after less than 24 months... BMW will annoy a number of customers, that's for sure Smiley Also, the FL sort of destroys the previously Ok looks of the 5 series. More in case of the normal 5 series cars, the M5 still looks Ok.

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May 22, 2013 10:15:38 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12681, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: RC

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RC:

Rossi:

Kozzoloz:

I am surprised there is no digital dash yet.

I hope there never will be one.

Why? You could choose from different skins, which would be amazing.

To be honest, I couldn't care less about different skins, for me a digital dash would be one of the most useless options ever.

In case of the M5 you've got a big screen in the centre console and arguably the best head up display currently available, so for me there's absolutely no need for a digital dash. Moreover I'm a fan of the classical gauges. If it's a track car or a car that is derived from a race car, a digital dash is fine, but also there I won't need gimmicky different skins. Smiley

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May 22, 2013 3:31:11 PM

ISUK: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 4206, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: RC

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RC:

...... with the current display technology and fast CPU/GPU combos, I think that manufacturers could produce an amazing digital dash, maybe so good that you wouldn't even notice it is digital.

Alfa Romeo have done just that with the new 4C.

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May 22, 2013 7:18:56 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: ISUK

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How can adding 15hp to a car already making 560hp even be felt? That's less than 3% - much more production variability from one car to the next than that much, I would think...

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May 22, 2013 8:37:48 PM

throt: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 6078, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2005; Reply to: Grant

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So, still no 4 wheel drive.?..

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May 23, 2013 10:02:03 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: throt

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throt:

So, still no 4 wheel drive.?..

BMW M GmbH seems to hold out as long as they can but I am pretty sure that the next gen M5 will have AWD. If not standard, optional.

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May 24, 2013 2:01:42 PM

throt: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 6078, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2005; Reply to: RC

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RC:

throt:

So, still no 4 wheel drive.?..

BMW M GmbH seems to hold out as long as they can but I am pretty sure that the next gen M5 will have AWD. If not standard, optional.

Surely it would not be of interest though for you even if it were 4 wheel drive now?. You have the Panamera.

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May 24, 2013 2:40:25 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: throt

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throt:

Surely it would not be of interest though for you even if it were 4 wheel drive now?. You have the Panamera.

The Panamera Turbo S is practically gone, I'm getting a 991 Turbo S instead in September/October.

It is going to be my last sedan, I'm more of a SUV + sports car guy. Smiley

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May 24, 2013 4:52:35 PM

throt: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 6078, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2005; Reply to: RC

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RC:

throt:

Surely it would not be of interest though for you even if it were 4 wheel drive now?. You have the Panamera.

The Panamera Turbo S is practically gone, I'm getting a 991 Turbo S instead in September/October.

It is going to be my last sedan, I'm more of a SUV + sports car guy.

Cripes, you must get severely penalised for wanting to get out of the Panamera lease deal early, if that's the case ?, mind you what do I know, I have never leased any car. The 991 TS will be a blast for sure..

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May 24, 2013 5:08:24 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: throt

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throt:

RC:

throt:

Surely it would not be of interest though for you even if it were 4 wheel drive now?. You have the Panamera.

The Panamera Turbo S is practically gone, I'm getting a 991 Turbo S instead in September/October.

It is going to be my last sedan, I'm more of a SUV + sports car guy.

Cripes, you must get severely penalised for wanting to get out of the Panamera lease deal early, if that's the case ?, mind you what do I know, I have never leased any car. The 991 TS will be a blast for sure..

Luckily I'm with Porsche Financial and they took care of everything since I lease another Porsche. I took a small hit but I also got a good (not very good though) offer for the 991 Turbo S lease, so I'm fine. It could have been much worse. Smiley I was torn between the new 991 GT3 and the new 991 Turbo S but since both lease offers are pretty close to each other (money-wise), I decided to go for the 991 Turbo S for various reasons. I wish I could own both, the GT3 and the Turbo S but this isn't possible.

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May 25, 2013 3:11:07 PM

throt: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 6078, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2005; Reply to: RC

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We knew the turbo would always win you over. Be interesting to see how close they are around the ring. Congrats on the order, your a 911 guy for sure.

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May 25, 2013 3:30:34 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: throt

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throt:

We knew the turbo would always win you over. Be interesting to see how close they are around the ring. Congrats on the order, your a 911 guy for sure.

I am and I don't know why I didn't realize it earlier. It could have saved me a lot of money.

From now on, things are quite simple: Cayenne for the family and as a daily driver, 911 for me and fun weekends (incl. the family, thanks to the back seats). My wife plans to get a Boxster when her X3 35d lease runs out, she misses her former 987 S a lot, so we are going to be a three Porsche family again. Smiley

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May 25, 2013 7:04:44 PM

Conny997: Expert; Loc: Munich , Germany; Posts: 1682, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 1, 2006; Reply to: RC

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That sounds perfect! And yes, better to have a SUV, a sportscar and nimble convertible than 3 four doors with 2 SUV at the same time. Congrats to this excellent choice.
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May 26, 2013 9:02:57 AM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: RC

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RC:

so we are going to be a three Porsche family again.

perfect Smiley

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Jul 5, 2013 1:10:21 PM

Moser: Senior; Loc: Larnaca , Cyprus; Posts: 535, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 22, 2006; Reply to: intouch1

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Guys, today I have an opportunity to exchange my 2010 997.2 Turbo with 50,000kms for a 2013 M5 Sedan with 8,000kms, what are your thoughts? I drove the M5 today, and while it's beautiful and new (gunmetal grey color) my issue is with the grip. You have all this power but what's the point if the traction control will keep interfering.... the ride is great, it's very luxurious, but my the grip is really bad on our shitty roads. Meanwhile my Turbo is a beast, what is really tempting me is the good deal that's in front of me....

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Jul 5, 2013 1:31:23 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Moser

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Two different cars I'm afraid. Both have power, the 997.2 Turbo however is faster under almost all driving conditions.

So here is the question: Do you need/want comfort or do you want sportiness? If you are used to the AWD grip, you are going to miss the grip a lot since the M5 really has traction issues. I know there isn't much snow or maybe even rain in Beirut but I know the dust on the streets from the region and it can really be an issue with a powerful RWD car.

I know the offer sounds tempting but I am pretty sure you are going to miss your 911 Turbo sooner than you think.

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Jul 11, 2013 8:57:54 AM

Moser: Senior; Loc: Larnaca , Cyprus; Posts: 535, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 22, 2006; Reply to: RC

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thanks for the reply RC, I agree with you, the traction issues will be a huge problem, and as you said the dust here is really bad, it was just a great deal so I had to at least give it 5 minutes of thought hahah

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Jul 11, 2013 9:40:05 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Moser

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Moser:

thanks for the reply RC, I agree with you, the traction issues will be a huge problem, and as you said the dust here is really bad, it was just a great deal so I had to at least give it 5 minutes of thought hahah

Perfection can be boring and you got bored of your 997 Turbo (it happened to me too and now I miss the car). Smiley

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Jul 11, 2013 10:21:50 AM

Moser: Senior; Loc: Larnaca , Cyprus; Posts: 535, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 22, 2006; Reply to: RC

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hahah again spot on, I've had a turbo since 2007, and a carerra before that since 2005, so I guess I've been looking for a change....

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