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May 15, 2013 2:20:23 AM

BlackSparrow: Pilot; Loc: Bahamas , Bahamas; Posts: 424, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 28, 2006

PCCB - not a cool option

This is regarding my Cayenne TT'12. PCCB - a $10k option that is advertized almost as lifetime investment with superior breaking and reduced weight.

I had a problem with vibration on breaking - the steering wheel would vibrate. Got the front breaks replaced and was the happiest camper...

I have 12K km on the odometer and now my front breaks are starting to squeek. My friend at the service told me - we checked them there is some overheating damage, but overall the breaks look ok. And yes, they are PCCBs-they always squeek. WTF? Is this true? Do you pay $10k extra to sound like a schoolbus at the stop signs?

And what overheating? Weren't PCCBs supposed to be ok with "overheating"? I never tracked the car, never took it to insane speeds or applied breaks like a madman... What do you guys think? Are they trying to cheap out of replacing the breaks under the warranty?

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May 15, 2013 7:54:06 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59607, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: BlackSparrow

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BlackSparrow:

This is regarding my Cayenne TT'12. PCCB - a $10k option that is advertized almost as lifetime investment with superior breaking and reduced weight.

I had a problem with vibration on breaking - the steering wheel would vibrate. Got the front breaks replaced and was the happiest camper...

I have 12K km on the odometer and now my front breaks are starting to squeek. My friend at the service told me - we checked them there is some overheating damage, but overall the breaks look ok. And yes, they are PCCBs-they always squeek. WTF? Is this true? Do you pay $10k extra to sound like a schoolbus at the stop signs?

And what overheating? Weren't PCCBs supposed to be ok with "overheating"? I never tracked the car, never took it to insane speeds or applied breaks like a madman... What do you guys think? Are they trying to cheap out of replacing the breaks under the warranty?

Never heard of PCCB overheating. Yes, PCCB is not really track ready since the wear is much higher than advertised and you pay a lot of money for replacement but since you haven't track raced your Cayenne, I think that the dealer kind of wants to BS you. Squeaking? Well...yes but there are some measures which can be applied to reduce squeaking, incl. using different brake pads (not sure about the Cayenne though).

Have you tried a different dealer or is that a problem (distance)?

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4

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May 15, 2013 6:49:09 PM

Leawood911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Kansas, USA , United States; Posts: 6924, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 29, 2006; Reply to: RC

Re: PCCB - not a cool option

Stomp on them hard a few times to better seat the pads and the squeeking will go away. Rotors and pads should last the life of the car even the Cayenne is used on the street.

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May 15, 2013 7:11:06 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12588, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Leawood911

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Leawood911:

Rotors and pads should last the life of the car even the Cayenne is used on the street.

Pads too? I never heard that...

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May 15, 2013 8:03:09 PM

Leawood911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Kansas, USA , United States; Posts: 6924, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 29, 2006; Reply to: Grant

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I drove my S (2005) with PCCB very hard on the street - after 9 years and 70K+ miles no noticable wear on the pads (70% left) or Rotors (100% left). When they made noise (rarely) I simply made a few quick stops. The dealers service advisor said the pads and rotors would likely last the life of the car at that rate.

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May 15, 2013 9:29:46 PM

BlackSparrow: Pilot; Loc: Bahamas , Bahamas; Posts: 424, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 28, 2006; Reply to: Leawood911

Re: PCCB - not a cool option

Is the fact that PCCB always squeek truth?

I will follow your advice to break hard a few times, will post here the results.

So far I had no problem with my dealer... They always did the top job... That is why I find it very strange that they tell me that the breaks have overheating damage. Should I request the front break exchange?

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2012 Cayenne TT, looking for a nice 4-seater sports car to answer my call :)

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May 15, 2013 9:41:35 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: BlackSparrow

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Mine squeak a little from time to time, but certainly not ALL the time..

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May 15, 2013 9:45:17 PM

SoCal Alan: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Orange County , United States; Posts: 7268, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 6, 2004; Reply to: DaveGordon

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DaveGordon:

Mine squeak a little from time to time, but certainly not ALL the time..

Same here. Maybe once a month.

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May 16, 2013 12:33:07 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: SoCal Alan

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Mine squeaks maybe like 5 times in the year I have owned the Turbo S. Always and only in the morning when I back out of the garage.

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May 16, 2013 8:48:52 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59607, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: PCCB - not a cool option

Yes, occasional squeaking is OK but not all the time.

Speaking of pads: I usually replace pads on my Porsche every 10-15k km, no matter if PCCB or not.

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May 17, 2013 12:08:28 PM

hog: Junior; Loc: Cornwall, UK.; Posts: 71, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 29, 2006; Reply to: RC

Re: PCCB - not a cool option

I replaced the pads after 30,000 miles on my 997 Turbo, '06 car fitted with PCCB. Rears occassionaly squeek when cold.

My GT2 997 '09 car with PCCB has never squeeked.

For me they are the best brakes ever and I have also driven a GT2RS on Silverstone full GP Circuit for about 4 hours of performance driving, no squeeks but they did start to fade a little toward the end.

I would have had them again 'tomorrow' on a Cayenne Turbo S - but not going to happen.

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May 17, 2013 8:30:14 PM

Dario: Co-Pilot; Loc: Bern , Switzerland; Posts: 234, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2010; Reply to: hog

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My cayenne turbo wls 2013 on normal brake squeek as hell Pz is unable to help my. Very disapointed in that.

by the way my 997 gt2 on ceramic doesnt squeek at all..

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