May 7, 2013 4:18:13 PM
nberry:
I don't understand. You have a Panamera TTS. The 991TTS is a smaller version with more testosterone. Why bother changing especially if it's going to cost you more money? Strange.
One significant difference is the polar moment of inertia -- caused by different engine locations.
I agree the Cayenne is the more versatile car and the better buy without sacrificing much in the way of driving ability.
Panamera is for those who have to have, for business, social or reasons of personal preference, a limousine.
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"Form follows function"
Currently configuring my Turbo S and thinking about selecting the new black/red interior with agate grey. Any thoughts regarding this color combination? Also, thinking about not getting the Burmester - would this be a mistake? My hearing is not that great and really wonder if there would be that big a difference for me.
Conrad2:
Currently configuring my Turbo S and thinking about selecting the new black/red interior with agate grey. Any thoughts regarding this color combination? Also, thinking about not getting the Burmester - would this be a mistake? My hearing is not that great and really wonder if there would be that big a difference for me.
I would never get the upgraded stereo but each to their own… The stock one is fine, quite good actually and I would rather spend the thousands elsewhere.
As for that colour combo, I think it is the best. Wonderful. Look at the SLS Mercedes, there are a lot oin this dark grey with red & black. It’s striking.
Conrad2:
Currently configuring my Turbo S and thinking about selecting the new black/red interior with agate grey. Any thoughts regarding this color combination? Also, thinking about not getting the Burmester - would this be a mistake? My hearing is not that great and really wonder if there would be that big a difference for me.
Did you use the Porsche configurator to see what it look like?
RC:
I would love to own the 991 GT3 and the 991 Turbo S
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
Are you sure? For me this would be a very boring combination. The two cars are far too similar to own them both
KresoF1:
Interesting enough for me same exterior colors work for 991 GT3 and 991 Turbo/Turbo S:
-black
-red
-yellow
-white
-rhodium silver metallic
-GT silver metallic
Good list, thats my list too. Depends on how much attention you want. BB is my first choice so far:
Mithras:
Conrad2:
Currently configuring my Turbo S and thinking about selecting the new black/red interior with agate grey. Any thoughts regarding this color combination? Also, thinking about not getting the Burmester - would this be a mistake? My hearing is not that great and really wonder if there would be that big a difference for me.
I would never get the upgraded stereo but each to their own… The stock one is fine, quite good actually and I would rather spend the thousands elsewhere.
As for that colour combo, I think it is the best. Wonderful. Look at the SLS Mercedes, there are a lot oin this dark grey with red & black. It’s striking.
Let's face it: why would you configure something like the Burmester in a Turbo? Because someone said, you should order something that is said to be one of the best HiFi-systems for one of the best cars. Perhaps this someone sits in your head only, perhaps he sits in Zuffenhausen.
Fact is, that no car-HiFi-system will ever sound as good as your HighEnd equipment at home, even more when we are talking about a sports car, with its relatively loud engine and tyre noise. But to each his own and with less than 3k the Burmester suddenly isn't out of reach for many, I guess.
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
MKSGR:
RC:
I would love to own the 991 GT3 and the 991 Turbo S
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
Are you sure? For me this would be a very boring combination. The two cars are far too similar to own them both
Totally agree. Rather get a Turbo and something Italian (or now even something British if you want ) instead.
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
I think I am going to pass on the Burmester. Black/black has always been a favorite but have had so many in that combo just looking for something different. Agate grey and red/black look good on the configurator but it can be misleading some time. I like darker colors better so also thinking about the dark blue metallic. I realize of course that personal taste is key here, but still find input from others very helpful.
GT3ZZZ:
KresoF1:
Interesting enough for me same exterior colors work for 991 GT3 and 991 Turbo/Turbo S:
-black
-red
-yellow
-white
-rhodium silver metallic
-GT silver metallic
Good list, thats my list too. Depends on how much attention you want. BB is my first choice so far:
RC:Right now, my car is 202k EUR...which is an awful lot for a 911 Turbo S...
Funny to see, that with every new GT3 and TT you forgot, what you decided a few month ago rational. and everytime you think about, what to pick: Your secret love GT3 or the TT, because there is the opportunity to pick up wife and kids. So you go for the TT. I knew that as you start the thread. Congrats to your next garage queen wirhout any space for your family. I wonder, why you buy not any special italian or british. Why not a California? Fantastic performancing four seater and a convertible. Of course not a Porsche 911 Turbo, but a fantastic sports car. Price would be really the same. Why not the Nissan GT-R with same performance figures, AWD and of course a four seater? A bargain!
Or something more emotional like the upcoming Stradale four seater. Including a tuning up to 645 hp cheaper than the 911 tt, but much more exclusive. And please stop the argumentation about resale value. Porsche lost this advantage as they start to produce too many cars! You got 11% for the Cayenne? This is the former level of discount, if you buy a BMW X5. Where should this end? With the Macan Porsche starts to sell cars to everyone. I really don't understand you
hussainh1:
They are both so different to drive. RWD vs AWD and Turbo vs NA, it's like completely different animals. I had a 997 C2S and 997 Turbo drove them both at the same time, totally different cars that simply look alike IMO.
I also drive and drove all these cars, of course (except for the 991 versions, obviously). I think driving them both highlights the deficiencies of the 997tt setup in the first place. I.e. you would feel angry every time you drive the tt as it the setup is not well done. Then, on the GT3 (in times before PDK) you would also feel a bit annoyed about the lack of engine power. I.e. constantly switching between these two cars (997 GT3/RS and TT) would only make me feel worse as I would constantly think about the (relative) deficiencies of these two cars...
Rossi:
MKSGR:
RC:
I would love to own the 991 GT3 and the 991 Turbo S
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
Are you sure? For me this would be a very boring combination. The two cars are far too similar to own them both
Totally agree. Rather get a Turbo and something Italian (or now even something British if you want ) instead.
May 8, 2013 7:37:02 AM
MKSGR:
Rossi:
MKSGR:
RC:
I would love to own the 991 GT3 and the 991 Turbo S
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
Are you sure? For me this would be a very boring combination. The two cars are far too similar to own them both
Totally agree. Rather get a Turbo and something Italian (or now even something British if you want ) instead.
RC, have you ever thought of having a GTR? Not so flashy, your clients will think that a regular nissan 4 seats, and powerfull
Conrad2:
Currently configuring my Turbo S and thinking about selecting the new black/red interior with agate grey. Any thoughts regarding this color combination? Also, thinking about not getting the Burmester - would this be a mistake? My hearing is not that great and really wonder if there would be that big a difference for me.
Hey...you stole my color combo.
Agate grey met. and the Black/Carrera Red Bi-color interior is the combo I am going to order if I can finalize the deal.
I actually wanted to go with black but if I choose black, some of the design elements get "lost", so I take a slightly lighter color. The interior is kind of an experiment for me, never had such a flashy interior but I think it is time to get something for exciting, especially since the Turbo S is going to be my fun car.
Burmester? I love it in my Panamera, the sound is amazing but in the much smaller 991 Turbo S, I don't know if it is really that much of a difference vs. Bose. I decided not to order Burmester and I hope I do not regret it. I have Bose in my Cayenne GTS and while there is a difference between Bose and Burmester, it is less obvious than I thought, especially with the kind of music (Dance, Hip Hop, Trap, Electro, R&B, Smooth Jazz, etc.) I'm listening to. Classic music sounds really better with Burmester though. I have a very good hearing and the difference between Bose and Burmester exists but to me, it isn't worth the added price. It also adds weight...
Not sure what to do with the sunroof: The glass version is more expensive but also adds black paint in front and back, which kind of makes a nice contrast to the Agate grey metallic color. On the other hand, the regular sunroof is cheaper and probably lighter (no heavy safety glass) and it is no secret that added weight to the roof can actually change a car's handling behavior. Unfortunately I have no idea or information on the weight difference but if the glass roof weights 5 kg or more than the regular roof, I will go for the regular one. Just need to find a way to find out.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
May 8, 2013 7:57:54 AM
SportCarGroup:
RC, have you ever thought of having a GTR? Not so flashy, your clients will think that a regular nissan 4 seats, and powerfull
Of course. I even had a test drive with the car (before I decided to go for the C63 AMG Coupe). Not my cup of tea. Horrible looks, sound is not really great too but I kind of liked the interior and the performance was great. Still...this car didn't tickle my senses at all, so I passed on it.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
May 8, 2013 8:51:10 AM
Ron (Houston):
RC,
Time to start the talk with your dealer .
I guess you missed some of the initial posts, Ron. I already talked to him, I have a production spot in October for one of his first two cars he receives, we are still negotiating the lease though. Panamera Turbo S goes (July)...991 Turbo S comes...if the dealer is willing to compromise a little bit.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
RC:
Agate grey met. and the Black/Carrera Red Bi-color interior is the combo I am going to order if I can finalize the deal.Not sure what to do with the sunroof:
the carrera red/black interior rocks .. not too much red for those who don't want to be too flashy
anthracite brown and carrera red/black would be just as awesome ..
glass roof undoubtedly heavier as it has the electric retractable blind ... BUT wonderful to have more light in the winter months.
PDCC will easily neutralise any weight penalty .. I doubt any one would notice it.