CloseHad second thoughts about choosing agate grey met., was thinking about black again but after seeing this photo, I think I made the right decision. Black just isn't right for the new Turbo S.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S (Sept. 2013), Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Jul 10, 2013 11:12:57 AM
Jul 10, 2013 11:17:11 AM
There was a black 997TT behind me this am, I couldn't even tell it was a TT unless you looked real close. 99% of people wouldn't see the difference. Don't do black...
We both had top down and when I floored my V8 Vantage (with Larini exhaust and factory powerkit) I could feel the guy frustrated behind. His car could run circles around mine and yet what difference does it make when you can only drive 50mph 
hunterone:
yup thats not black. It is dark blue metallic imho.
Yes, this should be dark blue metallic, which actually seems to look nice on the 991 Turbo (and I really don't like blue colors).
OK, black has been wiped off my color list, for good.
White with the black/Carrera red interior looks nice (same as the Moscow presentation car) but the white is too neutral for me (it could be interesting in Italy though, if you don't want to attract too much attention 
).
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S (Sept. 2013), Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Going slightly off-topic, (but will come back at the end) but....
I went out in an MP4-12C today (the 625PS one) and thought it was an amazing car, incredibly fast, amazing gearbox and huge traction in the dry, no problem with full-throttle in the lower gears. Obviously in the wet it'd be different though.
Anyway I went along to a local Ferrari dealer to have a chat and they showed me round a lot of cars, including a gorgeous F12 which sounds just amazing. Anyway he basically echoed what has been said on this thread which that all the cars in this class are now so fast that most owners never exploit full power and the ultimate performance is becoming largely irrelevent beyond bragging rights as most owners simply cannot use their cars in full anywhere due to lack of suitable roads, skill and even desire to drive that hard.
Bringing it back onto topic of Porsche colours, it was an unexpected honour to be shown (from the outside only) a gorgeous 911 (991) Club Coupe that they are storing for a customer and although I understandably wasn't able to take photos, it is simply one of the best looking 991s I've seen, with the ducktail and the Brewster Green. One of only 13 made in the world.
So how about Brewster Green?
Guy:
So how about Brewster Green?
Seriously? 
The Club Coupe is an eye-catcher, like the Sport Classic but not really special in my opinion.
I would rather prefer the 50th anniversary version anytime.
Also...I hate the ducktail, it looks hideous but I know that many people like it. 
Brewster Green is a darker shade of green met. but it makes the car look too elegant. This would be even worse with a wider body (Turbo/S). Not a fan...
Saw the car last summer at the Porsche Museum and wasn't impressed.
You are right however with one thing: Most owners of super fast super sports cars barely (know how to) use the power/capabilities of their cars. This is why I think that the 991 Turbo S is actually the best choice since even less talented drivers can be fast in it and talented drivers would be able to drive the hell out of it. Yes, the McLaren has a very good traction and ESP/traction control setup is very very good (vs. F12 or others) but in the end, I think that AWD will always give an advantage on normal roads, an advantage which is hard to beat if the driver knows what he does.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S (Sept. 2013), Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Guy:
So how about Brewster Green?
I think it looks great in photos! I always like a dark green (Irish Green is one of my favorite old 911 colors). Probably not available for PTS - they like to keep those off the menu, once used on a special model.
73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550
RC:
Most owners of super fast super sports cars barely (know how to) use the power/capabilities of their cars. This is why I think that the 991 Turbo S is actually the best choice since even less talented drivers can be fast in it and talented drivers would be able to drive the hell out of it.--RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S (Sept. 2013), Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Seems like the less talented drivers might as well save the $ and get the non-S though, right?
73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550
Conrad2:
hunterone:
yup thats not black. It is dark blue metallic imho.
What would be the best interior color for this dark blue metallic?
Click thru the Porsche Turbo web-page and the cockpit shown is blue with blue leather and steering wheel - I never really thought of that combination but on the web it looks fantastic ! It's something I would consider ordering a turbo going away from normal colors we all had many times like black or beige. Espresso is the other color I like a lot too !
Grant:
RC:
Most owners of super fast super sports cars barely (know how to) use the power/capabilities of their cars. This is why I think that the 991 Turbo S is actually the best choice since even less talented drivers can be fast in it and talented drivers would be able to drive the hell out of it.--RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S (Sept. 2013), Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Seems like the less talented drivers might as well save the $ and get the non-S though, right?
If they would acknowledge to themselves that they cannot use the full potential of the Turbo S...maybe. However, look at who is usually buying these cars...self-confident, wealthy "achievers" and why would they want to be satisfied with the second best? 
It would be interesting to see the actual sales figures (Turbo S vs. Turbo) but since the Turbo is apparently delayed until November (I guess because of the limited availability of some options which are standard on the Turbo S), we won't know until sometimes next year. Not even sure Porsche publishes model specific sales figures to the public.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S (Sept. 2013), Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
RC:
Grant:
I would be very surprised if they cancel the GT2 and GT2 RS. When is the last time Porsche removed 911 models (rather than trying to find a tiny gap in price, performance, roofline, or luxury among existing models to fill with a new variant)?
My guess is that Porsche would only cancel the GT2 and GT2 RS if they have something to "replace" them, like the "960" for example. I don't know if there would be a large enough market for a GT2/GT2RS and the 960 at the same time. Actually, I doubt it. This is why I think that upgrading the Turbo S to being the top of the 911 family and offering a mid engined "960" in the 250k price range at the same time would be the best strategy for Porsche. Just my personal opinion though... Porsche could even offer the "960" for a 220k EUR base price with unlimited options to add, pushing the price tag close to 300k. I would do that.
Very interesting thoughts. To put some more meat into this, Porsche total worldwide production of 997GT2 was 1261 cars and 500 RSs.
The timing of the launch of the 997GT2 was a hinderance to sales no doubt, it came out bang as the credit crunch started which must have had a big effect (at least I know it did for sure in the UK).
So RCs point about replacing the GT2 may well be valid with such a small market and getting these people to move into a 960 would make good sense.
Obviously the downside and why it probably won't happen is the racing heritage of the first GT2, the 993 which was tearing up race tracks only 15 years ago Porsche must surely want to maintain this halo for the 911 range and I guess producing the GT2 is not "too" expensive particularly if the engine is a mildly tweaked Turbo S unit .....
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3.9 GT2 2011 make over
I am a little bit "worried" that Porsche changed the whole GT-911 strategy. The new GT3 is already very powerful and fast and while in the past, Porsche usually offered a GT3 RS with 20 kg less weight, 20 hp more power, some chassis mods and a larger rear wing, etc., I am afraid that this time, the new GT3 RS could actually become some sort of replacement (in a sense or another) for the GT2/GT2RS line, by offering over 500 hp, even less weight (50kg or more) than the GT3 and a completely different, more track oriented setup. This could actually justify the rumored hefty price increase for the RS version, which some say, could even exceed the currently rumored 180k EUR.
So in theory, for Porsche it would probably make sense to:
1. Scrub the GT2 and GT2 RS
2. Offer a "960" (mid-engined car with a performance between the 918 and 991 Turbo S, maybe even with that rumored tri-turbo 6 cyl. boxer engine, which would probably be more fuel efficient than a turbo charged V8)
3. Offer a GT3 RS with more power, even lesser weight, to satisfy possible GT2/GT2RS "switchers" who don't want to get a "960" for much more money (this RS could go even for 190k), straight line performance being at 991 Turbo S level but with much better track performance, even better or at par with the 997 GT2RS.
I hope I didn't give Porsche an idea here but it actually makes more sense in my opinion since the GT3 RS would be based on the GT3 and they could scrub the entire GT2 line, no need for an improved turbo engine with dry sump lubrification/external oil tank anymore.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S (Sept. 2013), Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
RC:
So in theory, for Porsche it would probably make sense to:
1. Scrub the GT2 and GT2 RS
2. Offer a "960" (mid-engined car with a performance between the 918 and 991 Turbo S, maybe even with that rumored tri-turbo 6 cyl. boxer engine, which would probably be more fuel efficient than a turbo charged V8)
3. Offer a GT3 RS with more power, even lesser weight, to satisfy possible GT2/GT2RS "switchers" who don't want to get a "960" for much more money (this RS could go even for 190k), straight line performance being at 991 Turbo S level but with much better track performance, even better or at par with the 997 GT2RS.--
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S (Sept. 2013), Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
I could see this happen, and then in the final year of the 991, they offer a 991 GT2/RS anyways...
73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550
Grant:
I could see this happen, and then in the final year of the 991, they offer a 991 GT2/RS anyways...
Wouldn't make any sense from a financial point of view.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S (Sept. 2013), Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Let's make a friendly wager (no money) and see if they make some variety of GT2 for the 991 series - I think they will...
73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550
Jul 11, 2013 6:43:49 PM
Link to...what exactly? The article will be available in the next AutoBild sportscars. I tried the iPad version but they don't have the latest version yet.
The article is actually a good sign, especially the S-GO car. They finally have a press car ready (which apparently doesn't apply to the GT3 
).
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S (Sept. 2013), Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)
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