I think the Mercedes A45 AMG has more than two seats and it also has AWD. Completely different customer base in my opinion.
I don't trust Alfa Romeo products anymore and I also think that this car, while specs-wise interesting, is too over styled. It may attract younger women (and maybe men) but at my age, you want something different.
I am also not quite convinced on the weight of the car. 850 kg is not much and I wonder how they achieved it?!
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
Carbon chassis and alu subframes,like MP4 12 whatever its callled
Weight has not been announced officially yet,rumored sub 1000kg
But it looks ridiculous,cartoonish,only a very young person could driive it
Those lights are horrible,shame they changed them,now its a collection of randomly placed leds
There's still hope though,allegedly there will be a Maserati using the same chassis and at least a V6 biturbo
sfo:
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Disaster, both in terms of styling & engineering. Good for young ricky racer types though who want to elevate from typically Honda ricers etc though
as I read it, it's going to be above 981S price wise
Eeeps. Add financial to the styling & engineering disasters.
That aside, I can understand where Alfa is coming from as a beleaguered company......desperate times call for desperate measures. I remember growing up thinking of the spyder as one hell of a sexy car. But not like the 911
Achieving 850 kg with todays reguations is an extremely difficult job to do. The design looks very daring, and aimed at the younger audience. Pricing therefore is constricted, and hopefully not at the expense of build quality. The Elise in 1996 was so successful mainly because people back then were much less demanding than today.
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sfo:
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Disaster, both in terms of styling & engineering. Good for young ricky racer types though who want to elevate from typically Honda ricers etc though
as I read it, it's going to be above 981S price wise
Eeeps. Add financial to the styling & engineering disasters.
That aside, I can understand where Alfa is coming from as a beleaguered company......desperate times call for desperate measures. I remember growing up thinking of the spyder as one hell of a sexy car. But not like the 911
Can you explain the engineering disaster??? Styling is a personal and not discussable, but if they do a car that is so leight and with that mini supercar architectur, where is the disaster????
i dont get it, !!!!!
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if that's the actual interior, they can Keep it......actually Keep all of them
the Website confirms 850kg....then again being italian that might be Chassis only without engine and Body
good looking exterior on the concept nevertheless....
I love the exterior, like a litte ball of muscle. The interior is not as nice as the concept but let's see the final product.
Alfa Romeo has so much potential, what a history, what a pedigree, it deserves really nice cars.
The 8C is fantastic, we need more cars like this. Let's hope the 4C is the beginning of the new era. The numbers are amazing, < 1000 kgs kerb for < 50k euros would be simply spectacular.
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I love the exterior, like a litte ball of muscle. The interior is not as nice as the concept but let's see the final product.
Alfa Romeo has so much potential, what a history, what a pedigree, it deserves really nice cars.
The 8C is fantastic, we need more cars like this. Let's hope the 4C is the beginning of the new era. The numbers are amazing, < 1000 kgs kerb for < 50k euros would be simply spectacular.
I agree. I like this car. I'm a little bored by the "same old, same old" and this car is different. As for weight, I read elsewhere that the chassis will be made of carbon fiber. Somewhat controversial, since the material can really add to dynamic performance, or be really expensive to repair after a crash. I also read that it will be powered by a turbocharged four.
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Guys, I think you can't really see "through" the design of the 4C. This is not the same clean design as on the 8C, which I like btw.. The 4C is some sort of mini car with a very over styled design approach. I bet that if you see this car in reality, you will hate it. I still doubt the 850 kg and the 981S price tag but maybe Alfa Romeo wants to make a point, thus offering this car as some sort of statement for future products.
To be honest, I don't know why the Italians are going the wrong way for such a long time now: Looking at the past 10 years of Lancia, Alfa Romeo and even Fiat, I am shocked how bad their products have been. Fiat was a leader when I was young...the Fiat Uno was the car of young people in Europe, the Uno Turbo was amazing. Same goes to the Fiat Ritmo Abarth 130TC for example or where are cars like the Lancia Delta HF Integrale or the Lancia Thema 8 32? Where are cars like the Alfa Romeo Spider? Sorry but for me, Alfa Romeo is dead. Like Blackberry and Nokia.
The only clever decision Fiat has made so far, is buying in into Chrysler.
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JimFlat6:
Its a very small car. Alfa will probably offer a faster Balocco version of it later.
Balocco is the proving ground of Alfa but... also a a very famous italian brand of Xmas cakes While Fiorano (for Ferrari) sounds cool I guess Balocco (for Alfa) would not sound so cool (at least in Italy).
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I doubt this car will be a success. Like all FIAT Group products (except Ferrari) it is bound to have a hard time on the market. I was in Switzerland, Germany and Austria last week and I don't remember seeing anything from FIAT, except a few 500..........and one F12 in Zurich.
"Form follows function"
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I doubt this car will be a success. Like all FIAT Group products (except Ferrari) it is bound to have a hard time on the market. I was in Switzerland, Germany and Austria last week and I don't remember seeing anything from FIAT, except a few 500..........and one F12 in Zurich.
The Italian car industry sucks and I actually don't understand why??? They had such great products and they could really make good cars but apparently they don't care or what happened to Fiat and Co.???
I also don't get the Maserati strategy at all. The prices are too high, the performance is not competitive. I also would have started to use Alfa Romeo and Lancia to target Audi and BMW customers with attractive and powerful models, maybe even somehow involving Ferrari technology for marketing reasons but hey, who am I to tell them what to do?!
Apparently the Fiat Group is happy with one successful brand...Ferrari. And now also Chrysler.
Sorry, I don't get Fiat anymore. At all.
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According to the Autocar magazine the 4C will retail at the Cayman S price level (£50.000), which is great value for a sublime Porsche but not for a brand which has been practically out of the market for decades.
At this price it will have no chance. If it was aimed at Sciroco or TT, perhaps
"Form follows function"
You cant expect carbon fiber car of whch only 2500 will be made to compete on price with a Golf derivative...
Entry level sportscars of choice for a while were Elise/Exige or Boxster/Cayman and that is where 4C will try to fit in
It really is a halo car to wake up America abouut Alfa Romeo
And they plan to use the chassis for the Maserati model as well