Dario:
RC
@galion: Please do yourself a favor and do not get the new M5. This car has serious traction issues and you will regret it (you wouldn't be the first one) sooner or later. You are right, with kids, a 911 is kind of obsolete. I wish Porsche would have made the rear compartment a little bit bigger and more comfortable but they chose not to do so, which is a pity. I kind of get the feeling that Porsche wants family fathers to buy a 911 and a Panamera or Cayenne. Not sure however if this works.
Sorry RC as an owner of the m5 i just cant understand what your are saying all the times about the m5f10. If i listen to you i think the m5 is undrivable....really dont get it. It looks like for you just counts nordschleife times and 0-100 acceleration or high speed driving on wet... Sorry dont get this point in public driving
the m5 is perfect for highways and high speed, pretty sure it is one of the fastest saloons out there. it is a lot of fun on twisty roads, you can play so easily with it. I just love this drifts. Put every settings into sharp mode, and mdm off, and there are hardly no regulation from the system and yes traction is still fine... the m5 f10 is for me the perfect spring and summer car. with lots of power lots of fun, stealth look and relativly small money (i am not brand based at all..)i love this care. I will never us any sedan in winter it doesnt make sense to me as i want ground clearance..
By the way if i compare the engine of the x6m and my new upcoming cayenne turbo with wls (27the december delivery) the m engine feels mutch better, and more corresponding on the m cars. I went just for the cayenne because the x5m/x6m feel so outdated comparing to the m5 with the interieur desing, and the cayenne felt more precise in turns than the x5M/x6m... But engine wise, for me the x5/6m would be the car to get..
I didn't say the M5 is undrivable but after driving a C63 AMG Coupe PP for almost a year, I will not buy such a car again, simply because it is no fun as a daily driver. I testdrove the M5 on two occasions and while I liked the throttle response and basically the lack of any turbo lag, the car has serious traction issues. You are talking about drifting and whatever but the M5 is supposed to be a daily driver, not a race car. BMW already recognized this issue, they are thinking of adding an AWD version with the facelift.
Yes, I agree on the engine statement (X5M/X6M vs. Cayenne Turbo), the M GmbH V8 bi-turbo engine in the X5/X6 M and M5/M6 is an amazing piece of technology, there is basically no turbo lag.
However, the Panamera Turbo S, if you press the Sport Plus button, shows almost no lag either. Unfortunately I can't drive around in winter time with Sport Plus active, unless of course I want to play Walter Röhrl at the Rallye Monte Carlo all the time. It is kind of a mystery for me why Porsche didn't add a Sport Plus feature to the Cayenne though.
Don't get me wrong: I agree that the M5 is an amazing product and money-wise, one of the best deals around (especially considering the fact that BMW dealers usually also provide a serious amount of rebate too) but the traction issues are annoying...unless of course you want them.
One of our forum members was considering the M5 too but went for a 650iX instead. From 0-100 kph, the 650ix has basically the same performance like the M5 and if you live in a speed limited country, this may the better deal to go with, especially since the 650iX is also much cheaper.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4