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    27-Aug-2012 15:07:06

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    The 991 C4 looks good, but it really is a shame the direction Porsche is taking. On the web special, all they do is brag about the luxury, and stupid acronyms like PTV, PDK, PDCC, that all mean nothing, and there are absolutely no technical diagrams at all, like there used to be on all of their old web specials. And on old web specials they would brag how you can still get it with a pure, natural manual, now it's almost like they assume everyone will buy a PDK. And the auto throttle blip is BS.

    27-Aug-2012 15:14:44

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Carrara:

    The 991 C4 looks good, but it really is a shame the direction Porsche is taking. On the web special, all they do is brag about the luxury, and stupid acronyms like PTV, PDK, PDCC, that all mean nothing, and there are absolutely no technical diagrams at all, like there used to be on all of their old web specials. And on old web specials they would brag how you can still get it with a pure, natural manual, now it's almost like they assume everyone will buy a PDK. And the auto throttle blip is BS.

    Agree Smiley It is clearly heading for a luxury direction, rather than pure driver's car. I guess they save that for the 'softer' GT3 which will be as involving to drive as a bog standard 993...


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    27-Aug-2012 15:32:47

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Whats with the brown color on the press photos..

    Looks like they have too much spare paint left after all those brown tuaregs they have pushed out off late...

    I know its not a GT3, but even then, is it still a sportscar or what?

     

     

    27-Aug-2012 16:18:15

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    HeavyMetalThunder:

    Whats with the brown color on the press photos..

    Looks like they have too much spare paint left after all those brown tuaregs they have pushed out off late...

    I know its not a GT3, but even then, is it still a sportscar or what?

    The Deluxe Brown Metallic is there to attract a certain age group. Clearly you are way too young for it Smiley

    The new yellow is actually really nice and sporty in real life. Dave and I saw a few at Spa. Beautiful, aggressive and not so much Postauto anymore Smiley


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    27-Aug-2012 18:39:40

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Amen! 18 till I die, brother! wink

    Agreed, yellow looks very nice indeed.. But I guess one would need PCCBs with it? cos red calipers would look odd.. actually black  or dark blue calipers would suit, if that option were available

     

    27-Aug-2012 19:24:34

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    "The new 911 Carrera 4 models - Power of Identity"

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    27-Aug-2012 20:52:27

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Carrara:

    The 991 C4 looks good, but it really is a shame the direction Porsche is taking. On the web special, all they do is brag about the luxury, and stupid acronyms like PTV, PDK, PDCC, that all mean nothing, and there are absolutely no technical diagrams at all, like there used to be on all of their old web specials. And on old web specials they would brag how you can still get it with a pure, natural manual, now it's almost like they assume everyone will buy a PDK. And the auto throttle blip is BS.

    +1.  My personal favourites (not) are ACC (Active Cruise Control) and, I think, PAS (Porsche Active Safe).  At this rate, the next model will do away with the driver completely and drive itself.  Smiley  Maybe I'm just a dinosaur, but I miss sports cars which were engaging - and challenging - to drive.  Oh well, I guess we can always buy the older models - a 997 GT3 is starting to look more attractive every day.

    27-Aug-2012 21:54:18

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    the rear stripe is stunning

    car is fast for 400 hp only

    27-Aug-2012 23:05:53

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    I can't tell C4 is actually wider Smiley

    C2s.jpegC4s.jpeg


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    27-Aug-2012 23:12:15

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Ron (Houston):

    I can't tell C4 is actually wider Smiley

     

    C'mon, Ron. You can't miss those hips.  Smiley

    It's just the rear wheel arches which are wider. 

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    27-Aug-2012 23:42:57

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    is the rear track on the C4/C4S also wider ?

     

    28-Aug-2012 01:43:03

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    I guess the red line on the C4S is more parallel to the body than the C2S

    c4s.jpgc2s.jpg


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    28-Aug-2012 02:20:47

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Few more cool shots

    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151140561342668.463919.53855227667&type=1


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    28-Aug-2012 05:54:57

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Ron (Houston):

    I guess the red line on the C4S is more parallel to the body than the C2S

    c4s.jpgc2s.jpg

    Draw the same line, but this time extend it from the rear wheel arch (as you have done above) to the center of the front wheel arch. You will see a much larger difference.

    28-Aug-2012 05:58:59

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    You don't even have to draw a line. The panel gap on the 4S rear wheel arch is clearly visible and give away that it is wider... plus it looks wider indecision


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    28-Aug-2012 06:02:46

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    The pictures are taken at a slightly different angle, so in horizontal direction things may shift a bit. Resized both pics so front and back line up.


    C2-C4.jpg


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    28-Aug-2012 06:46:54

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Now I get flashbacks to 2005 when people put together montages of the 997.1 S and 4S to show it was wider indecision I am sure the threads are still around if one cares to search for them. History repeating...


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    28-Aug-2012 08:02:29

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Smiley It shows it now


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    28-Aug-2012 08:19:52

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Is there any practical benefit with the wider rear?

    The narrow body models, (which are not narrow body at all since the 997) have no problem with the stability and grip of the rear part but rather with the front part understeering (which had been improved on the 991).

    Besides the wide rear necessitates 305 width tyres which are unnecessary and perhaps counterproductive on the Carrera models. Even the normal 295 are too wide for practical reasons especially in the rain.

    I've always liked the 996 narrow body AWD Carrera. But since the 997 Porsche want to differentiate their 2 and 4 models visually with the wider rear and recently this fancy strip yes

     


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    28-Aug-2012 08:26:03

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    reginos:

    Is there any practical benefit with the wider rear?

    Good question. I have been wondering this too.

    Cost effectiveness vs practical benefit seems a bit off, but maybe I am missing something.


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    28-Aug-2012 14:06:48

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    reginos:

    II've always liked the 996 narrow body AWD Carrera.

     

     

    I' m with you on that. Unless a wider body is needed ( like on the Turbo ) I do prefer the narrower  body on the Carrera .  No need to add what looks like weight ( even if it does not really make a big difference ) . It's more the fact that the wide body becomes more of a mimic . It  does not help .


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    28-Aug-2012 14:33:20

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Personally I like them low and wide.

    28-Aug-2012 16:04:36

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Carrera 4 models are powered by a 3.4 litre engine which develops 350 hp, while the 4S models house a 3.8 litre, 400 hp power plant.

    Pricing for the new all-wheel drive 911 Carrera models is as follows:

    911 Carrera 4 Coupé £77,924.00 (inc. VAT at 20%)
    911 Carrera 4S Coupé £87,959.00 (inc. VAT at 20%)

    well what do I get more on the S model for 12300 € (w.o VAT) apart from the 20 inch wheels & the xtra power ?

    you will say the fun ?? but @ 0.3 sec difference ??

    your opinions welcome, I am in the market  :-)))))))

     

    28-Aug-2012 16:05:18

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    ......"The new all-wheel drive models replace a very successful previous generation, of which a total of about 24,000 units have been sold since 2008. This represents a 34 per cent share of total sales of second generation 997 models.".......

    Interesting statistic...I had no idea that some many "4's" were sold!

    28-Aug-2012 18:48:18

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Spyderidol:

    Personally I like them low and wide.

    +1

    28-Aug-2012 19:02:43

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Click to enlarge Smiley

    1346180606186wallpaper-i1680x10501.jpg

    28-Aug-2012 21:10:17

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    SportCarGroup:

    Click to enlarge Smiley

    1346180606186wallpaper-i1680x10501.jpg

    Reminds me of "Angry Bird"....

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    29-Aug-2012 11:45:56

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Exclusive program for 4S

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    Very elegant!

    29-Aug-2012 16:52:08

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    Re: New 991 Carrera 4/4S Coupe/Cabriolet Official Information

    reginos:

    Is there any practical benefit with the wider rear?

    The narrow body models, (which are not narrow body at all since the 997) have no problem with the stability and grip of the rear part but rather with the front part understeering (which had been improved on the 991).

    Besides the wide rear necessitates 305 width tyres which are unnecessary and perhaps counterproductive on the Carrera models. Even the normal 295 are too wide for practical reasons especially in the rain.

    I've always liked the 996 narrow body AWD Carrera. But since the 997 Porsche want to differentiate their 2 and 4 models visually with the wider rear and recently this fancy strip yes

     

    My 991S Cab has the optional 20 inch Sport Techno wheels which are 9" wide in the front and 11.5" in the rear. The rear tires are 305's. So, you don't have to get a widebody to get the 305 tires.

     
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