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Dec 31, 2011 10:54:39 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59605, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: 993Targa

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

993Targa:

With black ext I would choose black with yellow stitching (matching the PCCBs) or red stitching for the Turbo brakes. The stitching is an exclusive option for the Cayenne, but very expensive... I passed. I also never liked the grey interiors in Porsches, had one in a black 964 and it didn't look like leather.

I have the espresso interior in my Cayenne and I'm very happy with it. It's dark and looks sporty, but its has something extra, luxurious compared to black IMHO. It should look great with black as well.

Just returned from Austria and was overtaken by a Panamera Turbo and it was in Yachting blue. Normally not a fan of blues but it looked really nice on the Panamera.

Yachting blue? Not my cup of tea, too elegant and a color which is a bit too stylish.

I would order color stitching but I'm not sure it is possible. I haven't seen any available options for the Panamera I'm afraid. This is actually weird because different color stitching options are available for all other Porsche models, including the Cayenne like you already pointed out.

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Jan 1, 2012 12:16:18 AM

Conny997: Expert; Loc: Munich , Germany; Posts: 1682, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 1, 2006; Reply to: RC

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

Deviated stitching is available via order by z-form. Your dealer know the how to
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Jan 1, 2012 1:29:10 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59605, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Conny997

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

Conny997:
Deviated stitching is available via order by z-form. Your dealer know the how to
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Good to know but I'm not sure I'm going to order it.

Right now I'm back to black exterior with black painted wheels and a black interior with carbon. Plain and simple.

I think this is the right combo for me, I'm not the type of guy who likes many different color combos and my son is OK with this too. Smiley

Still thinking about getting a Cayenne Turbo instead though...I will make my final decision when I sign the lease contract. Smiley I'm still not very fond of the Panamera design, even if it looks much better in person and I'm also afraid that a Panamera isn't the right car for me. My last sedan, a Mercedes E55 AMG, just wasn't me...I like sports cars and SUVs and a sedan just doesn't feel right...

Oh boy, I wish I had signed the lease contract on the spot without thinking too much... Smiley Smiley

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Jan 1, 2012 3:56:58 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14184, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

I had a seal 997 4S....it wasn't me. I changed it for a black 997 2S and this feels like ' me ' indecision

Reading your posts, RC, I just think you are taking a big chance by ordering the Panamera . But if you take the Cayenne, you might always wonder how the Panamera would of been

I think that the only reason why you lean towards the Panamera is because it is faster then the Cayenne and you want the ' fastest beast on the road '

Why not get the Cayenne TS and tuned it slightly so that it is at par with the Pana TS ?

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Jan 1, 2012 4:19:27 PM

Super Darius: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Italy-Como , Italy; Posts: 4084, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 7, 2002; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

Christian ,it depends what you need to do with this car.

Yesterday i had the time to take up my 997TT after two months i don't drive it....well,WHAT A CAR,i forget how much i like to drive it.Yes the Cayenne TT is fast,is beautiful etc. But the feeling of a 911 can't be the same of a Cayenne or also of a Panamera.

So if you need a family car go for the Cayenne,is a "bigger" Panamera,if you need a sportscar,take a 911,the Panamera is not a "bigger" 911.

or at least this i what i think.

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Jan 1, 2012 4:46:28 PM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3252, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: Super Darius

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

IMO, this is the best color on panamera

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Jan 1, 2012 6:13:29 PM

Conny997: Expert; Loc: Munich , Germany; Posts: 1682, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 1, 2006; Reply to: BiTurbo

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

Very cool pics. I like powerful colors. But I saw this color the last week in person at a Porsche dealer and must say you can't go for it. Its far to flashy... Smiley

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Jan 1, 2012 8:24:50 PM

Budster: Veteran; Loc: Cape Town , South Africa; Posts: 1029, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 9, 2011; Reply to: Conny997

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

Audi blue...
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Jan 1, 2012 8:43:29 PM

acky: Co-Pilot; Loc: Westerwald , Germany; Posts: 203, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 25, 2002; Reply to: Budster

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

RC,

hear on your stomach feeling. This tells you "I dont like a Pana". You are trying to convince yourself. You will regret it. Like with the E55 AMG.

Go for a Cayenne, that's your car.

It also looks smaller, cheaper, from behind like a japanese SUV.

Dont' get black wheels.

This makes the car, exclusive, noticeable. It will not look like the other SUVs in your village.

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Jan 1, 2012 11:25:14 PM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2734, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: acky

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

Hi RC! We are vacationing at a beautiful resort and drove here in the Cayenne. The car is so easy to pack up, and feels safe and comfortable on the crowded interstates. When we arrived at the front reception I thought the car
looked elegant and I was quite proud to see it parked under the entrance lights. (I know that's a bit weird). But no one else seemed to notice, and no one said "beautiful car!" or made any comment at all. Later that evening a guest arrived in a dirty black Panamera 4S and folks started buzzing about what a knockout car it was. I asked the concierge why the buzz over it as compared to a Porsche SUV and he says he sees SUVs all the time and can't tell one from another. But he said the Panamera was so different and "cool". It sort of p...sed me off, but I got his point.

So there you go--just another confusing thought for you!

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Jan 2, 2012 3:38:30 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59605, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Wonderbar

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

I try to reply to several posts in a single post (thanks a lot for your input, guys...very helpful):

1. If I could afford to own another garage queen like the 911 Turbo or a GT3 RS, I would do so. I know that the Panamera Turbo S cannot replace a 911 Turbo or even a GT3 RS but it is close to the 911 Turbo regarding drive feel and almost as fast as the first generation 997 Turbo with 480 hp. We're talking about a sedan with four full seats and enough room for luggage and even skis.

2. Aquablue met. is quite flashy and it looks horrible on such a big car. My dealer has a V6 (!) in this color and with PCCB (former owner must be insane) and trust me, this is not really a good color for such a big car...unless you want to stand out from the crowd.

3. Yes, I actually like the Cayenne more but from a performance driver point of view, the Panamera Turbo S is the much better choice. I know this will be a love-hate relationship but the Panamera has AWD (the E55 I owned didn't) and handling performance is also much better, the Panamera Turbo S really feels almost like my former 997 Turbo. Almost, not quite.

4. On my way to Austria, I saw at least 10 Cayenne within a time frame of two hours. I saw only one Panamera, so I get the "standing out of the crowd" thing Wonderbar mentioned. Not sure I like it though. The Panamera has quite a "presence" on the street.

On my way to our ski vacation, I talked a lot with my wife and the kids about my decision and I think it is the right one.

Yes, if I had the choice between a Cayenne and a Panamera with the same performance, I would have chosen the Cayenne. Since there is no Cayenne as fast as the Panamera Turbo S, my choice is clear.

I may not fully like how the Panamera Turbo S looks but it is a lot of fun to drive.

Current choice: Black (non-met.) with black rims, black exterior package, black interior (maybe with yellow stitching, not sure yet) with full carbon, PCCB, Burmester, black front lights, black rear wing, privacy glass, rear side airbags, skibag, sunroof.

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Jan 2, 2012 3:43:23 PM

SoCal Alan: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Orange County , United States; Posts: 7268, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 6, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

RC:

Current choice: Black (non-met.) with black rims, black exterior package, black interior (maybe with yellow stitching, not sure yet) with full carbon, PCCB, Burmester, black front lights, black rear wing, privacy glass, rear side airbags, skibag, sunroof.

That's a good choice, but I'm not sure about the yellow stitching....

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Jan 2, 2012 3:49:15 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59605, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: SoCal Alan

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

SoCal Alan:

RC:

Current choice: Black (non-met.) with black rims, black exterior package, black interior (maybe with yellow stitching, not sure yet) with full carbon, PCCB, Burmester, black front lights, black rear wing, privacy glass, rear side airbags, skibag, sunroof.

That's a good choice, but I'm not sure about the yellow stitching....

Well...this is why I'm not sure yet.. Smiley

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Jan 2, 2012 3:55:53 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21156, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: SoCal Alan

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

IMO I wouldn't go with yellow stitching unless there were several other interior elements in that color to match with (seat belts, dials, paited plactic bits, etc... the yellow PCCBs don't help since they are on the outside and small), but maybe with light grey stitching? it still makes the stitching visible which is really nice, but still blends nicely.
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Jan 2, 2012 3:58:34 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59605, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

Carlos from Spain:
IMO I wouldn't go with yellow stitching unless there were several other interior elements in that color to match with (seat belts, dials, paited plactic bits, etc... the yellow PCCBs don't help since they are on the outside and small), but maybe with light grey stitching? it still makes the stitching visible which is really nice, but still blends nicely.

Nice idea, I look into it. It could look nice with the carbon. Smiley Still not sure if deviating stitching is necessary.

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Jan 2, 2012 4:03:23 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14184, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

RC:

In-met.) with black rims, black exterior package, black interior (maybe with yellow stitching, not sure yet) with full carbon, PCCB, Burmester, black front lights, black rear wing, privacy glass, rear side airbags, skibag, sunroof.

Smiley Perfect colors choices ! And I agree not to go for yellow stitching but for a ' silver' looking sticking

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Jan 2, 2012 8:49:39 PM

Conny997: Expert; Loc: Munich , Germany; Posts: 1682, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 1, 2006; Reply to: RC

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

Well, I thing you nailed it. Good and very professional choice. Very close to my own taste, if I would order a Panamera.
This combo is one of the sort "you can't go wrong with it".
Congrats. Smiley

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Jan 3, 2012 11:04:12 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Conny997

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

The carbongrau looks interesting for someone who likes darker colours. I haven't seen it in real life, though.

Also the black interior with carbon looks very nice!

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Jan 3, 2012 11:15:30 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59605, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: reginos

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

Thanks, reginos. I've seen Carbongrau live in person and it looks better (less brownish) than on photos but this still isn't really my color, sorry. Agate Grey (Achatgrau) would have been a nice color, I really like it but it kind of makes the car look more elegant and my son hates it (he actually hates any color with the exception of black broken heart ) but my wife hates silver tones and Agate Grey isn't really her thing either, so I think I'm going to stick with black.

Black on black is a timeless combo, I've seen it on my former 997 Turbo, it just doesn't get outdated (maybe a little bit boring though).

I still have time until January 9th, so keep em' coming...your suggestions and ideas, I really appreciate them. wink

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Jan 3, 2012 4:36:15 PM

BlackOctober: Senior; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 511, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 10, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

RC , here's some pic's.....hope it will help you to make a right decision

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Jan 3, 2012 4:51:45 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59605, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: BlackOctober

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

Thanks. I think my decision is pretty clear now, I met an old friend here in Austria with his company car...amazing look, this is exactly what I'm going for (he claims that he went for this one, so I can see it live Smiley ). He doesn't have PCCB and the wheels are custom painted (by Porsche but not available from the factory). Oh, he had no problems with his car driving on snow, just ride height is a little bit more critical but it is OK for most streets. Oh...Panamera Turbo S. indecision

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Jan 3, 2012 5:26:35 PM

993Targa: Rennteam Pro; Loc: ZH , Switzerland; Posts: 2522, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 16, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

I really like he GTS interior with the alcantara and red stitching. I would take the black leather red or yellow stitching plus the carbon parts with a black exterior. smiley

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Jan 3, 2012 5:45:32 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59605, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: 993Targa

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

993Targa:

I really like he GTS interior with the alcantara and red stitching. I would take the black leather red or yellow stitching plus the carbon parts with a black exterior.

This actually looks pretty sweet, thanks a lot. I will look into it (apparently this interior is only available for the GTS but I wouldn't mind the GTS lettering...even in a Turbo S). I'd have to choose the regular brake though since Porsche doesn't offer a caliper color option anymore (Exclusive).

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Jan 3, 2012 5:48:40 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59605, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

Oh, I forget to mention one observation I made while trying to find the right color for my Panamera: The Panamera does not look good on photos, I would even go as far as claiming that this is not a photogenic car. No kidding. I remember how amazing my friend's black Panamera looked today and the photos don't do it justice at all. Weird.

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Jan 3, 2012 6:18:07 PM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2734, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

Totally agree that car looks better in person! On stitching, I would go for yellow and yellow belts, even yellow dash dials or stopwatch. Would nicely complement the PCCBs.

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Jan 3, 2012 6:38:33 PM

BONES: Co-Pilot; Loc:; Posts: 173, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 5, 2003; Reply to: Wonderbar

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

how about this color combo. i prefer a dark brown with grey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpUWCTt7D-w

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Jan 3, 2012 6:54:14 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

RC:

Thanks. I think my decision is pretty clear now, I met an old friend here in Austria with his company car...amazing look, this is exactly what I'm going for (he claims that he went for this one, so I can see it live ). He doesn't have PCCB and the wheels are custom painted (by Porsche but not available from the factory). Oh, he had no problems with his car driving on snow, just ride height is a little bit more critical but it is OK for most streets. Oh...Panamera Turbo S.

These all black wheels give the car a very utility vehicle look Smiley

IMO the Panamera Sport wheels, factory painted in black with the outer silver ring are much more good looking and dynamic at the same time Smiley

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Jan 3, 2012 7:15:06 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21156, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: reginos

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

I fully agree with Reginos, those wheels look like a test mule yes (at least int the pics) but the SportWheels with the silver ring look much better.

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Jan 3, 2012 8:04:23 PM

Conny997: Expert; Loc: Munich , Germany; Posts: 1682, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 1, 2006; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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I agree with both:-)

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Jan 3, 2012 8:22:39 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59605, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Which new car should RC get: Cayenne or Panamera?!!

Carlos from Spain:

I fully agree with Reginos, those wheels look like a test mule (at least int the pics) but the SportWheels with the silver ring look much better.

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Smiley ...also the car had winter tires.

Btw: I never liked the silver lining...but I get your point, I prefer however the "cheaper" look. Smiley

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