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Aug 13, 2011 6:01:42 PM

a928: Junior; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 73, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 4, 2007; Reply to: RC

Re: 991 spy shots

Hi Christian,

Well, the times mentioned by Mr Achleitner on the 991 are (for the Nürburgring):

991 standard: 8:05

991S : 7:50..with a best test lap of 7:40..but this is not a confirmed lap..

So, tell me where you see 10sec difference to a 997.2 S (may I remind you it did the ring in 7:50, sport chassis and PDK?

Any explantion? Smiley

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Aug 13, 2011 6:15:36 PM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: a928

Re: 991 spy shots

That was explained to you over a month ago...

997.2 CS 7.50min Sport Auto-car equiped with Cup tires, SPASM, PCCBs.

991 CS with Standard tires and normal PASM 7.50min

991 CS with Cups, SPASM, PCCBs 7.37min

991 times according to Mr Achleitner. Same numbers I was in prerelease 991 docs.

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Aug 13, 2011 6:38:57 PM

pjd: Senior; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 752, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: 991 spy shots

Not as good as Carrara on PS, but this a quick PS that i made...

Can someone tell if it`s close to the real?

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Aug 13, 2011 6:43:31 PM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: pjd

Re: 991 spy shots

Very close...

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Aug 13, 2011 6:46:55 PM

a928: Junior; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 73, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 4, 2007; Reply to: Porsche-Jeck

Re: 991 spy shots

Porsche-Jeck:

blueflame:

Interesting side note from the "Auto-Bild" Article: 991 GT3 wil probably be the last NA-engine...

Blueflame

... if this is true then the 991 GT3 engine will be a kind of one off effort with no history and no future

...thats a good one...fully agree with you..

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Aug 13, 2011 6:58:25 PM

a928: Junior; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 73, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 4, 2007; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: 991 spy shots

KresoF1:

That was explained to you over a month ago...

997.2 CS 7.50min Sport Auto-car equiped with Cup tires, SPASM, PCCBs.

991 CS with Standard tires and normal PASM 7.50min

991 CS with Cups, SPASM, PCCBs 7.37min

991 times according to Mr Achleitner. Same numbers I was in prerelease 991 docs.

Hi Kreso,

Well, in the media Mr Achleitner has been talking about a test lap of 7:40..with a standard 991S of 7:50..this is confrimed with several articles in the German press. So far so good, but..

with your 7:37 (even with Cups)... - that would be better than 458 which has almost 200hp more....- honestly - I dont believe that ..we will see what the official Sport Auto test will be.

If they dont get the 7:37 that you claim - then you will invite me to Croatia for one week of holiday Smiley ...if I loose I send you some Belgian chocolate..deal? You shouldnt bet against me...most people will loose..OK...its a different industry but..

Was just in Slovenia and Croatia...always like it there Smiley

take care & sunny evening,

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Aug 13, 2011 7:16:12 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: 991 spy shots

KresoF1:

OK... I think this can be posted. 991 is NOT any wider then 997.2! 1808mm is exactly the same number. Front track is 53mm wider on the other hand rear track is the same as on 997.2 Carrera S. Overall dimensions are 4491 x 1290 x 1808 with 2450mm wheelbase. 991 Carrera S weight is 1420kg.

991 Carrera S numbers are 400ps/440Nm, red line is at 7800rpm. 4.1s is for 0-100km/h...

Wheels on the pics above are 20". Standard brakes in 991 S are the sime in size as on current 997.2 Turbo.

Well, nothing really new, these numbers are from the current ams issue from Thursday this week. Smiley

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Aug 13, 2011 7:34:48 PM

Carrara: Senior; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 570, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 30, 2011; Reply to: Rossi

Re: 991 spy shots

Good job pjd! And guys, stop whining about power, and Nordschleife times. As it has been since 1948, power has never been a main concern for Porsche (though it is one of them). Weight is the most important. And at 400hp, there is plenty enough! And as you heard the 350hp base model is more than sufficient. I think many are overlooking all the chassis improvements as well. Virtually nothing has been announced about the chassis, except that it will be the best one a 911 ever had. It's not always about power. IMHO, the chassis comes before the power.

And 'ring times... Virtually every source is reporting slightly different times for both models, and there are no details at all on the runs, and they aren't official. Don't get you're panties in a bunch until Porsche actually officially announces the times with details, and possibly even video to go around.

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Aug 13, 2011 8:32:42 PM

Turbo4ever: Senior; Loc: HK , Hong Kong; Posts: 723, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 13, 2007; Reply to: Carrara

Re: 991 spy shots

not bad at all, but overall I like the 997.1 more, that's like the water cooled 993

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Aug 13, 2011 8:55:24 PM

MKW: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States; Posts: 2491, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 22, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 991 spy shots

MKSGR:

Lukas: A shame though that the rear isn't any wider. I would have hoped for that.

They did not change the size for optical reasons... If the rear was wider as well the setup / handling would be different, of course

Wider body esp at the rear end equals more weight and drag , thus reducing handling , acceleration, top speed. It's a fine balancing act between stylistically wanting a more 1970's first gen Turbo -like wide butt/pinched waist body AND lowest weight/best performance - everything is a compromise .

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Aug 13, 2011 9:29:39 PM

artur777: Senior; Loc: Europe , Russia; Posts: 774, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2008; Reply to: MKW

Re: 991 spy shots

Great result. 4.1s for 0-100 is a great result and faster than 4.5s of 997.2 Carrera GTS KresoF1, why is 991 faster if they have the same engines as 997.2 GTs?

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Aug 13, 2011 9:57:56 PM

Carrara: Senior; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 570, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 30, 2011; Reply to: artur777

Re: 991 spy shots

artur777:
Great result. 4.1s for 0-100 is a great result and faster than 4.5s of 997.2 Carrera GTS KresoF1, why is 991 faster if they have the same engines as 997.2 GTs?

Remember, power isn't as important as it seems. The chassis is very important, and has a major factor in not only handling, but also acceleration. It doesn't matter how much power you have, but how well it's managed, and what kind of chassis its strapped too. And in this case the 991 has a far superior chassis.

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Aug 13, 2011 10:45:42 PM

pjd: Senior; Loc: Portugal , Portugal; Posts: 752, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: Carrara

Re: 991 spy shots

Carrara:

artur777:
Great result. 4.1s for 0-100 is a great result and faster than 4.5s of 997.2 Carrera GTS KresoF1, why is 991 faster if they have the same engines as 997.2 GTs?

Remember, power isn't as important as it seems. The chassis is very important, and has a major factor in not only handling, but also acceleration. It doesn't matter how much power you have, but how well it's managed, and what kind of chassis its strapped too. And in this case the 991 has a far superior chassis.

I remember a phrase that Richard Hammond (Top Gear presenter) said one time when testing a silver 997.1 S in the Isle of Man: "It`s not important how many horsepower you have... it`s how many you can actually make use of them..." Smiley

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Aug 13, 2011 10:48:43 PM

993Targa: Rennteam Pro; Loc: ZH , Switzerland; Posts: 2522, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 16, 2004; Reply to: pjd

Re: 991 spy shots

Really like the dome shaped headlights. The tail lights look a bit narrow would have to see it in real life. But overall very "fresh" 911 design.

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Aug 13, 2011 11:13:13 PM

996AD: Pilot; Loc: Abu Dhabi , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 358, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 12, 2004; Reply to: 993Targa

Re: 991 spy shots

convex style headlights ,this time it's really aggressive

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Aug 14, 2011 12:17:24 AM

Carrara: Senior; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 570, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 30, 2011; Reply to: 996AD

Re: 991 spy shots

Hey Kreso, how close are these?

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Aug 14, 2011 1:16:29 AM

magu: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 80, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2004; Reply to: Carrara

Re: 991 spy shots

.....but the blue CAR (S061012) is a 4s or 2s??? For me is very large in the rear....

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Aug 14, 2011 2:10:36 AM

WAY: Rennteam Master; Loc: Melbourne, Australia; Posts: 3344, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: magu

Re: 991 spy shots

Is it just me or does that look like Maserati 3200GT front lights?

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Aug 14, 2011 4:25:14 AM

xandi911: Senior; Loc: brasil; Posts: 688, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 14, 2006; Reply to: Carrara

Re: 991 spy shots

Carrara:

Hey Kreso, how close are these?

carrara dont get me bad... you always do some nice PS... but if porsche is something like this headlights so this is the worst headlight i ever seen!!!

i hope you are wrong about this PS! Smiley Smiley

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Aug 14, 2011 7:14:19 AM

BlackOctober: Senior; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 511, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 10, 2004; Reply to: xandi911

Re: 991 spy shots

Like somebody wrote on the previous posts,if the headlights will look like on this PS,it will remind me of Ford Scorpio

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Aug 14, 2011 7:40:58 AM

magu: Junior; Loc:; Posts: 80, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2004; Reply to: BlackOctober

Re: 991 spy shots

Kresco....can you tell me something about my question??? Tks

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Aug 14, 2011 8:29:48 AM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: a928

Re: 991 spy shots

a928:

KresoF1:

That was explained to you over a month ago...

997.2 CS 7.50min Sport Auto-car equiped with Cup tires, SPASM, PCCBs.

991 CS with Standard tires and normal PASM 7.50min

991 CS with Cups, SPASM, PCCBs 7.37min

991 times according to Mr Achleitner. Same numbers I was in prerelease 991 docs.

Hi Kreso,

Well, in the media Mr Achleitner has been talking about a test lap of 7:40..with a standard 991S of 7:50..this is confrimed with several articles in the German press. So far so good, but..

with your 7:37 (even with Cups)... - that would be better than 458 which has almost 200hp more....- honestly - I dont believe that ..we will see what the official Sport Auto test will be.

If they dont get the 7:37 that you claim - then you will invite me to Croatia for one week of holiday...if I loose I send you some Belgian chocolate..deal? You shouldnt bet against me...most people will loose..OK...its a different industry but..

Was just in Slovenia and Croatia...always like it there

take care & sunny evening,

First-regarding your bet... One week in Croatia(Adriatic coast) is at least for me light years more value then 100g of Belgian chocolate... No effense intended..

Second-991S needs only one thing when Sport Auto will test it-to be faster then 997.2CS equiped with CUPs. For me at least 7.50min for 991S with standard tires is more then OK.

BTW, why so much doubt in 991? Do you really think that Porsche will introduce a car that will be inferior to 997.2?

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Aug 14, 2011 8:30:44 AM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: magu

Re: 991 spy shots

magu:
.....but the blue CAR (S061012) is a 4s or 2s??? For me is very large in the rear....

991S

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Aug 14, 2011 8:31:55 AM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: Rossi

Re: 991 spy shots

Rossi:

KresoF1:

OK... I think this can be posted. 991 is NOT any wider then 997.2! 1808mm is exactly the same number. Front track is 53mm wider on the other hand rear track is the same as on 997.2 Carrera S. Overall dimensions are 4491 x 1290 x 1808 with 2450mm wheelbase. 991 Carrera S weight is 1420kg.

991 Carrera S numbers are 400ps/440Nm, red line is at 7800rpm. 4.1s is for 0-100km/h...

Wheels on the pics above are 20". Standard brakes in 991 S are the sime in size as on current 997.2 Turbo.

Well, nothing really new, these numbers are from the current ams issue from Thursday this week.

Indeed. How about 350ps/380Nm?

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Aug 14, 2011 8:38:54 AM

996AD: Pilot; Loc: Abu Dhabi , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 358, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 12, 2004; Reply to: magu

Re: 991 spy shots

I have a prediction that the front light will look like this:

under the light there is a part that looks like eye puffness "eye bags" . so i figured maybe the head light tilts inside from bottom. and maybe tilts outward from the top.. like this sketch

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Aug 14, 2011 9:27:11 AM

crs11: Newbie; Loc: Deutschland; Posts: 5, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 11, 2004; Reply to: lukestern

Re: 991 spy shots

The interior (dashboard) was covered.

Tires were Pirellis 295 rear if i remember correctly?! Smiley

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Aug 14, 2011 12:36:50 PM

Carrara: Senior; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 570, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 30, 2011; Reply to: crs11

Re: 991 spy shots

Believe me guys, I also think those front lights are dreadful, I was only trying to be accurate. I hope I'm not.

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Aug 14, 2011 12:42:16 PM

WAY: Rennteam Master; Loc: Melbourne, Australia; Posts: 3344, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: Carrara

Re: 991 spy shots

Somehow that sketch reminds me of the Panamera sketch?

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Aug 14, 2011 1:16:15 PM

DaveC: Veteran; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 1068, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2005; Reply to: WAY

Re: 991 spy shots

Frankly I think the headlights and tail lights are small details that the general public will not even notice on this "new" 911. It is highly unlikely that Porsche will permit the 911 to lose the face that launched 47 years of profit, and I suspect the final unveiling will be anti-climatic based on what we've already seen. To me the story is in the 3/4 profile of the "Lexus gold" 911 which appears to show a substantially larger car than the 997. For that judgment I will need to see the car for myself.

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Aug 14, 2011 2:44:31 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: DaveC

Re: 991 spy shots

Thanks KresoF1 for the numbers. The 991 will be a fast and surely fantastic handling 911.

As to the size of the back, I ma more then happy that it is not larger. Narrow body work much better on the Carrera' s

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