Crown

 but the 991 will debut as a MY 2012?

Both the 997 and 996 came out in springtime in the US i think and were the MY of the following year if i remember correctly?

mateoche:

 but the 991 will debut as a MY 2012?

Both the 997 and 996 came out in springtime in the US i think and were the MY of the following year if i remember correctly?

 If they came out in spring they can not be MY of the following year.

MY year change is after summer holiday factory close down  in july/august 

 997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm

The 4/4S for the 997-series was launched 1 year after Carrera/Carrera S models. The 2wd were announced @ Geneva 2004 as MY 2005. The 4/4S  @ Geneva 2005 as MY 2006. The first vehicles sent to dealers were in the month of June 2004 for the 2wd and around april/may 2005 for 4wd.

If the same applies for the 991, the 4wd-models will probably be announced @ Frankfurt 2012 in september.

Current: 997.2 C2S Meteorgrey/Black - PDK, PSE, LSD, SportChrono, Nav, BOSE, etc.

Sold: 997.1 C2S Black/Black - PSE, Adaptives, PCCB, -20mm/LSD, Short-shifter, SportChrono, Nav, BOSE, etc.

Lukas:

The 4/4S for the 997-series was launched 1 year after Carrera/Carrera S models. The 2wd were announced @ Geneva 2004 as MY 2005. The 4/4S  @ Geneva 2005 as MY 2006. The first vehicles sent to dealers were in the month of June 2004 for the 2wd and around april/may 2005 for 4wd.

If the same applies for the 991, the 4wd-models will probably be announced @ Frankfurt 2012 in september.

There have been comments that Porsche is planning to make adjustments to the roll out speed of the 991 model range, as Matthias Müller (CEO) looks to smooth the timing of major product launches across the 911, Boxster / Cayman, Panamera, Cayenne, Cajun, 550 and 961 model ranges and to increase production volumes above 150,000 cars per annum...

Interview with Porsche's CEO Matthias Müller...

 

Telegraph Motoring talks to Matthias Müller to see how Porsche's latest CEO will guide the company now that it is part of the VW Group.

Porsche CEO Matthias Müller 

(22 Dec 2010)

Porsche became part of the Volkswagen Group in June 2010. Matthias Müller, 57, a VW group product expert, was appointed to lead Porsche AG from October 1. His predecessor, Michael Macht, is now responsible for the control and co-ordination of all factories within the VW group.

Andrew English: VW chairman Martin Winterkorn recently predicted that Porsche would double its sales by 2015. Do you think this possible?

Matthias Müller: Winterkorn has doubled Porsche’s 2009 sales of 75,000 sales to get that figure. We would need to analyse the segments, look at how they develop and pay attention to our dealer network, as well as getting ideas about new cars, before we could confirm this.

Q) We understand that a production decision about the VW Concept Bluesport [a mid-engined roadster first seen at the 2009 Detroit Auto Show] is imminent, but the chassis platform requires a production of 50,000 annually, which means Porsche and Audi would have to have their own versions. Is there a Porsche Bluesport car?

MM: The decision is not made yet, but the architecture for the concept is developed by Porsche and comes from our technical centre at Weissach. We have a model on test, but we don’t plan to show it to the public. We have all the facts and figures we need to make the decision and in the first quarter of 2011 we will develop our new product cycle.

Q) Will Porsche go back to Le Mans as a works team?

MM: It takes about three years to get the right car/driver/team combination, which would take us to 2014, when the rules are due to be changed again. We do our customer motorsport and there are things we might do with the Cayman R and the possibility of off-road motorsport with the Cayenne.

Q) How will Porsche work with other premium manufacturers in the VW Group?

MM: Companies such as Bentley can take part in our engineering competence. A Bentley will be developed in Crewe, but the company’s volume is too small to develop products on its own. If Bentley wants to take part in VW group modular and platform strategies it might be an opportunity to use modular components such as engines and electronic architecture. There are decisions to make about our Panamera line-up and many questions. Not the least of which regards Bentley.

Q) Isn’t there a danger that all this sharing will dilute what a Porsche actually stands for?

MM: No other company can manage nine brands like the VW Group. You know that a VW is a VW and an Audi is an Audi.

Q) No it isn’t, the Audi A1 is a barely disguised VW Polo…

MM: Well, as long as I am chief executive, a Porsche will be a Porsche. I do not want to compromise or disappoint our customers.

Interview-with-Porsche-CEO-Matthias-Müller_Telegraph-article

 ...another interview...

CEO Matthias Müller on Porsche’s future: "From the Top..."

 

Porsche CEO Matthias Müller raised eyebrows at this year’s North American International Auto Show when he said that he plans to raise annual production to 200,000 vehicles by 2018. That’s well beyond the 150,000 that shocked the press a few months ago. It’s an ambitious plan, one that will change the face of Porsche — moving the company from four model lines to six and perhaps even seven. We were able to share some of Müller’s thoughts during a roundtable discussion with editors from The New York Times, Forbes, and Excellence...

Excellence: Porsche pulled out of the Detroit show four years ago. Why did you come back?

Müller: We are very proud to be here. From my point of view, it was a bad decision to reject Detroit. The American market was the most important for us, is the most important for us. That’s the reason why we came back. In terms of the future, I mentioned before that in 2011 the American market will be very successful for us, the most successful. If Porsche wants to be successful in the future and wants to increase volume, we have to take care of the three areas — for Europe, for Asia, especially China, and also the American market.

What about new vehicles, like a proposed smaller Cayenne?

We are analyzing our chances in different segments and, at the end of the first quarter 2011, we will finish our project strategy. On the other hand, we should have a brand strategy to increase our sales volume. For example, in China we have 35 dealers and we want to triple that during the next three to five years. And of course we will increase our volume. Dr. Winterkorn (head of VW Group) says he expects 150,000 per year, but I suppose that it should be more. In strategies, we are looking forward to 2018; we now have around 100,000 per year, and I think at least we should double it.

When do you expect China to surpass the US as your primary market?

I don’t know when. In 2011, I suppose the American market will be the biggest market, but, more or less, two or three years later, China could be our biggest.

What do Chinese Porsche buyers value?

I think it’s the same as in Europe and the United States, these are our customers who are luxury oriented. They have money, they like prestige, they like high value for money…

Do they care about motorsport heritage?

At this time, not so much. But we are working hard with our (hybrid) driveline component strategy to increase the topic of motorsports in China. For example, we are going to build a race track near the Formula One track in Shanghai, also in the neighborhood of the airport in Beijing, and so on. So I suppose the medium of a track like in Leipzig, Germany (next to the Cayenne / Panamera assembly plant) would allow our customers to use their Porsche sports cars in a way they love.

What’s the PDK take rate in China?

It’s very high, close to 100 percent.

Is Porsche still committed to manual transmissions, or is the future all PDK?

I think very sporty car (customers) like manual gearboxes. But at the end of the day, maybe 80 percent or more will (order) PDKs. But, for example, a GT3 RS or a GT2 RS, that should be a manual.

Have you confirmed whether a sports car smaller than the Boxster is on its way?

We are analyzing that project. We have already available a technical concept for such a car based on the Boxster platform, which we can make a little bit cheaper using some parts of the modular system of Volkswagen, specifically the MQB (Modularer Querbaukasten, or Modular Transverse Matrix) — the next Golf platform. So that could be a way to have a platform to have a smaller sports car.

We’ve heard Porsche will take the lead in developing not just VW Group’s sports cars, but also its largest luxury sedans. What will that look like?

The basis is actually the Panamera platform (MSB, or Modular Standard Platform), which we will develop in the next generation. It is, concept-wise, the platform which fits the best for huge cars.

Like the Audi A8?

You can use as a basis the MLB (Modular Longitudinal Platform) or MSB for the A8 — it depends on what Audi wants. But, for example, a Bentley Continental could fit on our Panamera platform, as (could) a Lamborghini Estoque.

What’s the future of the Panamera in terms of model life?

I think the next Panamera will be in five years, but it’s possible to do the platform for the other customers in the Volkswagen Group earlier. In two or three years, that could be possible.

And, in return, Porsche has given up development of SUVs?

We have decided (at) a meeting between Winterkorn, (Audi CEO) Rupert Stadler, and me, some weeks ago…what is the most sporty brand in the group. And we decided that is always Porsche. And, due to that fact, we said the modular systems of high-performance sports cars have to be under the responsibility of Porsche. The second topic is that we said the MSB platform has special features — especially the very sporty cars — and that was the reason why we said, ‘Okay, Porsche has the competence to do that, and gets the leadership not only for the sports cars but also for the MSB system for the larger cars.’

The question was what should be the next platform for the third generation of the Touareg and Q7 and Cayenne? There we have seen that the MLB system of Audi fits very well to that issue, and that was the reason we decided that the next generation should be based on the MLB of Audi. Nevertheless, the Cayenne (version) will be developed in Weissach of course — the Cayenne with Porsche, the Audi with Audi, and the Touareg with Volkswagen.

Will future Porsches share their engines with other VW Group products?

I think we should have also an engine and gearbox strategy for the future in the Volkswagen Group. Besides the Carrera of course with the boxer, we should have reduced complexity in terms of engines. And I think Wolfgang Hatz, who is joining us (as head of Porsche R&D), is the right person to do that. Yes, we will share engines, both eight- and six-cylinder.

Who will have responsibility for these shared powerplants?

That is to be decided, (but it will be) either Audi or Porsche.

Is a four-cylinder Porsche in the works?

The first question is whether we should have a four-cylinder in the Boxster. It would be possible, but the question is how the first comparison shoppers will look at the cost of a boxer four. We started a cost-reduction program with the four-cylinder boxer and I think in some days or some weeks we will have a result and then we can decide whether we should do that for a Boxster and maybe for a smaller sports car, or whether we should use the inline four-cylinder of Volkswagen.

Would an inline four fit into the Boxster?

We would change the rear part of the Boxster platform, so it could work.

So a Boxster with a Volkswagen engine is under consideration?

That could be one solution — but in terms of the brand image of Porsche, it would be very interesting to have a four cylinder in a Boxster.

Could other VW Group brands use a flat four developed by Porsche?

No, no, no — that is exclusive for Porsche. Boxer is Porsche.

Today, Porsche makes more four-doors than sports cars. Is it becoming a company that makes sports cars on the side?

From my point of view, the core business is sports cars, which have to (fit) into the image of the brand. But to earn money it’s necessary to also deliver cars in other segments…but it is very important in these segments that Porsche shall have the most sporty car. If we get into the SUV segment, we should have the most sporty SUV…fast, powerful, steering, braking — everything. I think it is necessary for our customers to see I have a Porsche and not a badge on a Q5 or something else. It has to be a Porsche. That is important to us.

We are walking on the edge. On one hand sports cars, but on the other hand other segments — but very sporty — to increase revenue and volume.

How will your plans affect production?

The problem of Porsche today is we have in Zuffenhausen the Carrera, the Cayman, and the Boxster. And their life cycles are very close together, so this means we have a start of production within 18 months and we have end of production within 18 months. The life cycle in terms of volume (drops as a car gets older), so at the end of the day we have a problem with our workers. We have to change our life cycling, we have to give them a gap to have three curves and to straighten out the volume over a life cycle of seven years.

My target is to have a life cycle for the whole company, the whole brand, with a result that means we should have every year one big product event and a lot of smaller events. Today, we have four or five products, but together with the ‘Cajun’ (an Audi-based, sub-Cayenne SUV) and together maybe with the ‘550’ we have six and we are looking for a seventh model and then we could have every year one huge event and one bigger facelift. Then we have one and a half huge events, and some smaller events.

What about the Boxster/Cayman and 911, which are so closely linked in terms of production?

They always told me that the strategy of parts sharing will only work if the SOPs (for Start of Production) are near together. But I cannot understand that because, in the Volkswagen Group, we have had that question for ages with a lot of brands, with Seat, with Audi, with Sköda, with Volkswagen and so on, and we controlled it.

Is there any segment that’s off the table?

Of course, we are looking at a smaller sports car, below the Boxster. I always was very keen to take a close look at the 550, and I can imagine to have such a car in a few years. And we are really successful with the Targa in the Carrera segment, and why should a Targa not work on a Boxster? So I can imagine to have a Targa in the Boxster. Another question could be whether the Panamera is only one model?

Do I hear a new 928 in the offing?

Our engineers have a lot of ideas.

You have assembly lines in Zuffenhausen and Leipzig, but how will Porsche build 200,000 cars? Will VW build Porsches?

The Volkswagen Group (is targeting) eleven million cars a year. With the capacity they have today, they can build seven to eight million…so they have to build new factories all over the world. At Porsche, we have limited production in Zuffenhausen and limited production in Leipzig — but we have a lot of ground in Leipzig. I could imagine having more volume from Leipzig. We have to decide where we (will) build the ‘Cajun,’ for example; it could be Ingolstadt, but at the end of the day we have to also look at Leipzig.

Are you any further along in your decisions regarding Formula One or LMP1 racing at Le Mans?

Nothing new. It is difficult because there are lots of pros, but also cons. I think LMP1 is a very interesting class. The only problem is Audi. It’s a question of whether it’s good for our group if there would be a second brand in Le Mans and the American Le Mans Series, which could be Porsche, of course. Okay, then we would have a competition against Audi. I don’t know if that is good or bad for the group.

The problem is we have a lot of brands, and we have (fewer options) all over the world — it’s only Dakar, WRC, F1, and LMP1. It’s only four classes, and we have ten brands. But with Formula One, if you are not the winner, you are the loser. To win in F1 costs a lot of money. And, in the end, it’s a driver championship — everybody says, ‘The champion is Vettel and he goes for Red Bull.’ And, in third place, they say, ‘Renault.’ Most people don’t know that Renault is the technical basis of the Red Bull team. And the races are boring…they go around and around. It’s absolutely boring. If you go to Le Mans, it’s exciting from the first to the last hour.

CEO-Matthias-Müller-on-Porsche-future_Excellence-article

Hot 991

http://www.bild.de/news/leserreporter/erlkoenig/porsche-911-cabrio-erlkoenig-faengt-feuer-18738268.bild.html

Welcome to Rennteam - but your first post in over 4.5 years is a repost  

RT Moderator - 997.1 Carrera S GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm sports suspension/LSD, PSE, short shifter, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen collection

Ups - sorry. No posts so far and as well a bad thread reader! Feel feel to delete the repost ...

Boxster Coupe GTS:

Porsche Cayman (2012) the first spy photos...

(5 July 2011)

The next Porsche 911 debuts at the Frankfurt motor show this September, the wraps will be pulled off the Mk3 Boxster at the 2012 Detroit motor show, but there’s a third all-new Porsche on the way too. It’s the second-generation Porsche Cayman, caught by our spies while on test at the Nürburgring; it’ll be on sale in the UK by the end of 2012.

I know  this car – the new Porsche Cayman is just a revised version of the current Porsche Cayman, right?

Not quite, as it’s an all-new model – albeit one that shares a lot of DNA with the new 981 Boxster and 991 911. However, Porsche is determined to spread its offerings over a much wider range of market segments, so differentiation is the new name of the game, not standardisation and simplification. Items like bespoke doors will now help you tell the mid-engined cars apart from the rear-engined icon, and Stuttgart’s designers have made further effort to differentiate all three. Inside expect a heavy Cayenne/Panamera influence, with a rising transmission tunnel.

Like its forthcoming Mk3 Boxster sibling, the current Cayman’s 2415mm wheelbase will be stretched by 60mm, increasing legroom by 18mm; overall length is up, but the front overhang will be decreased by around 25mm. But despite the increase in size, bigger wheels and tyres (18s rather than 17s will standard on the boggo model, 19s on the S) and extra crash structures, both the standard Cayman and Cayman S will weigh less than their predecessors – reckon on at least a 15kg weight saving for each. 

When does the Cayman get four-pot power?

Not until both the Cayman and Boxster are facelifted in 2015/2016, and if marketing agrees, the entire range could eventually switch to the new drivetrain. The pair are expected to receive the bigger-bore 2.5-litre twin-turbo flat four, which comes in various power guises up to 355bhp and 347lb ft.; a smaller 1.6 version is reserved for the 356 and its VW and Audi (and potentially Seat) cousins. The first hybridised Cayman (and Boxster) models should also appear in 2016.

In the meantime, the Cayman sticks with its famed flat sixes. Just as the new Boxster will gain an extra 10bhp to put it on par with today’s entry level Cayman (and the S will move up to a Cayman R-equaling 315bhp), so the new hardtop car will be subtly boosted to justify the extra Porsche charges over the Boxster. The lighter weight, more efficient engines, honed aerodynamics and new features such as start-stop, extensive thermo-management, recuperation and a new electrically-assisted power-steering add up to an 18% drop in consumption. 

And as an aside, the next, next Boxster and Cayman will appear in 2018 and 2019, using a development of the new platform, as the two-generation lifecycle was signed off before VW took charge.

Porsche-future-plans_Car-magazine-link

  

From the above article:

"...bespoke doors will now help you tell the mid-engined cars apart from the rear-engined icon..."

The new photoshop from AMS provides a hint of how the future Cayman's doors may look...

Boxster Coupe GTS: 

The new photoshop from AMS provides a hint of how the future Cayman's doors may look...

Thanks for the AMS teaser photo. I'm not sure about the similarities though. The doors look very different on the spy pics and also the front lights...

 That looks amazing, especially the doors. This wpuld set the Cayman apart from the 911. Not sure about the front lights though..

2012 Cayenne S White/Espresso delivery Sept. 2011

Porsche have some great historic door designs to provide inspiration...

 Check out the camo covering the Cayman's door. While I doubt the exact design from the green rendering will appear on the final 981, I imagine a very, very similar design will appear, just less exaggerated.

Carrara:

 Check out the camo covering the Cayman's door. While I doubt the exact design from the green rendering will appear on the final 981, I imagine a very, very similar design will appear, just less exaggerated.

2012-Porsche-Cayman_Autoblog-link

Saw three 991 prototypes driving through Stuttgart downtown yesterday. Sound on all three was incredible, cannot even imagine that a sport exhaust could be allowed to sound like that. Camouflage as on the abvove pictures, the car has quite different proportions to its predecessor, will comment on that later today. Funny enough, hardly anybody in the city seemed to care. Probably a common sight.

bobr:

Dealers are scheduled to recieve 991 launch coupe in Jan '12 

I sure hope so. That was what I had originally heard but now my dealer is saying different. Fingers crossed.

Rich_NY:

bobr:

Dealers are scheduled to recieve 991 launch coupe in Jan '12 

I sure hope so. That was what I had originally heard but now my dealer is saying different. Fingers crossed.

the above pics are of the cayman

mojeIme:

Rich_NY:

bobr:

Dealers are scheduled to recieve 991 launch coupe in Jan '12 

I sure hope so. That was what I had originally heard but now my dealer is saying different. Fingers crossed.

the above pics are of the cayman

I know that, this thread has a lot going on. The info I was speaking about had to do with the Carrera.

mojeIme:

Rich_NY:

bobr:

Dealers are scheduled to recieve 991 launch coupe in Jan '12 

I sure hope so. That was what I had originally heard but now my dealer is saying different. Fingers crossed.

the above pics are of the cayman

I know, this thread has a lot going on. I was speaking about the Carrera though.

neunelf:
Targa or large sunroof? http://www.worldcarfans.com/111071134811/2012-porsche-911-targa-caught-with-open-top

I hope it's just a sunroof option. Save me 10 grand on getting a convertible.

Seems to be the targa indeed; if you look closely at the rear edge of the side windows, you can see that there is camouflage that hides the pointy edge of the targa rear windows, to make it look like the rounded edge of the normal carreras.

However, the sunroof shape looks hideous to me... like the guy is trying to move some wooden planks on the roofrack...

mateoche:

 but the 991 will debut as a MY 2012?

Both the 997 and 996 came out in springtime in the US i think and were the MY of the following year if i remember correctly?

My 997S Cab was the first customer ordered 997 Cab received by my dealership. It was in May 2005 and it was a 2005 model. I was hoping it would be a 2006, but it wasn't.

 Not the Targa, that's just the sunroof on the Carrera models that we have seen on almost every 991 prototype yet, in its open state.

Carrara:

 Not the Targa, that's just the sunroof on the Carrera models that we have seen on almost every 991 prototype yet, in its open state.

Being a fan of sunroofs...I'm not sure I like the look of that.. 

"Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out."

John H:

Carrara:

 Not the Targa, that's just the sunroof on the Carrera models that we have seen on almost every 991 prototype yet, in its open state.

Being a fan of sunroofs...I'm not sure I like the look of that.. 

 

IMO this is panorama sunroof .  Likely  ' normal '  sunroof will be available too .

According to Autozeitung.de:

Porsche 991 Turbo in Summer/2012 with 550 ps

http://www.autozeitung.de/erlkoenige/erlkoenige-im-juli-2011

wow first pictures of the turbo's wing. But I hope it doesn't look like that, I would actually prefer it to be more understated then use active aero dynamics when needed.

Thanks god the wing is back!!

i whant one!

997TT RS Tuning stage II,2011 Cayenne Turbo

 Some more from Teamspeed. Look at the giant wing, new skirts, and bulging front splitter! Many more shots here:http://www.teamspeed.com/forums/997-996-turbo/61641-spied-2013-porsche-911-turbo-nuerburgring.html