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Feb 12, 2011 9:30:13 AM

rulesdontapply: Pilot; Loc: Kuwait , Kuwait; Posts: 462, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 22, 2010

Sports exhaust system for V6 Panamera models?

Hello, Rennteamers.

I suppose the title says it all: I'm wondering if any of you know or expect Porsche to release a sports exhaust system for its V6 Panamera models. One of my biggest turn offs to the current models are the fact that they lack this system; I enjoy the deeper growl once that magical little button is activated. [What can I say, I've been spoiled by my Boxster PDE2.]

Also, what do you think of the current tailpipe design on the V6 models? I hate the way they jut out from the car's rear; I think it'd look FAR more attractive if they were flush with the curvature of the underside, similar to the new Touareg models. Thoughts?

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Feb 14, 2011 9:09:48 PM

rulesdontapply: Pilot; Loc: Kuwait , Kuwait; Posts: 462, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 22, 2010; Reply to: rulesdontapply

Re: Sports exhaust system for V6 Panamera models?

RC? Anybody? rulesdontapply

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Apr 30, 2011 6:08:36 AM

JR-550: Pilot; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 354, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2005; Reply to: rulesdontapply

Re: Sports exhaust system for V6 Panamera models?

Hello,

in the german conficurator you can order the sports exhaust system for the Panamera V6 now (2606,10 Euro)

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Apr 30, 2011 6:41:58 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: JR-550

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Anyone else here thinks that kind of exhaus tips look ugly?

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Apr 30, 2011 8:09:44 AM

Misha011: Veteran; Loc: Dubai , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 1234, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 28, 2007; Reply to: Rossi

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Same here - ugly Smiley Smiley

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May 1, 2011 6:19:07 PM

lukestern: Expert; Loc: Somewhere , United Kingdom; Posts: 1377, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 15, 2005; Reply to: Misha011

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Fully agree. The exhaust on the Panamera V6 looks totally out of place. The ONLY exhaust tips on the Panamera line that looks good is the 4 round ones on the Panamera 4S without PSE

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May 2, 2011 5:43:06 AM

JR-550: Pilot; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 354, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2005; Reply to: lukestern

Re: Sports exhaust system for V6 Panamera models?

he guys, this is an other option in the German configurator, only the tips are different no sports exhaust (an option of app 750 Euro) Do you like this better?

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May 2, 2011 8:44:18 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: JR-550

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JR-550:

he guys, this is an other option in the German configurator, only the tips are different no sports exhaust (an option of app 750 Euro) Do you like this better?

Still a bit bold, but much better. Smiley

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May 3, 2011 5:40:19 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: rulesdontapply

Re: Sports exhaust system for V6 Panamera models?

Porsche is the only sport car company that requires its buyers to buy a sport exhaust so that their sport car can sound like a sport car. Smiley

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May 3, 2011 5:50:09 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: nberry

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nberry:

Porsche is the only sport car company that requires its buyers to buy a sport exhaust so that their sport car can sound like a sport car.

Except on the 911 Turbo, that there is none available Smiley

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May 4, 2011 3:09:09 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: nberry

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nberry:

Porsche is the only sport car company that requires its buyers to buy a sport exhaust so that their sport car can sound like a sport car.

Yes, this is kind of lame. Instead, Porsche should offer the PSE on all Porsche models as a standard option and let customers choose if they want to press the PSE button or not.

As always...Porsche knows how to make money but they also know how to annoy customers. Smiley

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May 4, 2011 3:48:17 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: RC

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RC:

nberry:

Porsche is the only sport car company that requires its buyers to buy a sport exhaust so that their sport car can sound like a sport car.

Yes, this is kind of lame. Instead, Porsche should offer the PSE on all Porsche models as a standard option and let customers choose if they want to press the PSE button or not.

As always...Porsche knows how to make money but they also know how to annoy customers.

IMO,Porsche standard equipment should have PSE, Sport Chrono, LSD, Telephone module and perhaps some other things. However, in that case the starting price would have been higher than what is now. In effect Porsche set a largely notional lower price for their cars and let the buyer choose. If the buyer is an enthusiast he will definitely treat this as a theoretical price and add up. If OTOH the car is destined for someone's wife for example, why boost the price up with "unnecessary" for her extras?

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May 4, 2011 4:23:42 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: reginos

Re: Sports exhaust system for V6 Panamera models?

If I am in the market for a 911, $10,000 one way or another will not make much difference as to whether I buy one. Other factors like sport exhaust, PDK, Sport Chrono, etc. would.

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May 4, 2011 5:49:11 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: nberry

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So, in the end it amounts to the same thing. If $10000 is no object for a buyer , he simply orders the required features as optional extras.

The real problem would be, if the features were not available at all. The only such case I could think of, is the sport exhaust on the 911 Turbo.

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May 4, 2011 5:54:46 PM

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 8234, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2004; Reply to: reginos

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This isn´t new, Porsche has followed this sales strategy for decades. I also doubt that a regular buyer will appreciate the benefits of an LSD or Sport Exhaust. Additionally, why should they provide them as standard equipment if they are expensive to produce in the first place? Some customers disliked the items that came standard on certain models and markets such as the sunroof.

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May 4, 2011 9:03:09 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Ferdie

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A sport car should sound like a sport car. Do you believe 911 buyers will decide not to buy a 911 because it has sport exhaust? I would argue the opposite is true. Many buyers may turn away from Porsche because it sounds like a pussy. Smiley

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May 5, 2011 6:55:46 PM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2719, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: nberry

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In a cosmopolitan city like Washington, DC, I appreciate the quieter exhaust sound (with the option to press the sport exhaust button). I had a sport exhaust on my 997 Carrera 2S, and used it only when I was on an open, fairly light traffic road. I also had a Ruf exhaust on my modified 996 Turbo, and found myself trying to drive "quietly" much of the time in my neighborhood and to nice social events. So I guess I put myself in the "wouldn't buy a Porsche if it only had a sport exhaust" category. There is a time and place for sport exhausts, but not always the time and place for them...

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May 5, 2011 7:57:10 PM

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 8234, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2004; Reply to: nberry

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nberry:

A sport car should sound like a sport car. Do you believe 911 buyers will decide not to buy a 911 because it has sport exhaust? I would argue the opposite is true. Many buyers may turn away from Porsche because it sounds like a pussy.

The latter is only the case with the turbocharged models. Every other model is available with a [switchable] sport exhaust to adapt to the various needs as Wonderbar described. Still, there are people using these cars on 18 inch rims, with the standard suspension and exhaust, partially without sport chrono or full leather. Admittedly, Porsche´s motivation will be to earn additional money with each individual option but this obviously does not deter several customers to live without them...

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May 6, 2011 9:13:55 AM

993Targa: Rennteam Pro; Loc: ZH , Switzerland; Posts: 2522, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 16, 2004; Reply to: Ferdie

Re: Sports exhaust system for V6 Panamera models?

A lot of people in Europe buy Porsche because of the understated looks. A sportexhaust is a head turner, not everybody want's that.

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May 6, 2011 10:15:15 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: 993Targa

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993Targa:

A lot of people in Europe buy Porsche because of the understated looks. A sportexhaust is a head turner, not everybody want's that.

+1 Smiley

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May 6, 2011 8:54:57 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: 993Targa

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You don't buy Porsche for its looks. Smiley You buy it for its performance and quality. Also, it you don't want the exhaust you either activate a mute button or have an option to order a "pussy exhaust". Smiley

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May 7, 2011 7:49:02 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: 993Targa

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993Targa:

A lot of people in Europe buy Porsche because of the understated looks. A sportexhaust is a head turner, not everybody want's that.

Exactly. During a testdrive with a 911 yesterday, I met an older(in the 50s) woman in a 997 C4S Cab. She was curious about the car I was driving and we started talking. The 911 I drove had the PSE and she heard it when I accelerated from the stop light. I asked her why she doesn't have one and she said that it is way too loud for her. Smiley So apparently there is a customer base who appreciates less noise, probably mostly people who buy a Porsche for other reasons than pure sportiness.

Like I said, I would make PSE, PDK, Sport Chrono Plus a no cost option and let customers decide if they want it or not.

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May 7, 2011 8:03:02 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: reginos

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reginos:

Except on the 911 Turbo, that there is none available

The 991 Turbo gets a PSE option right from the start. Smiley

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May 7, 2011 8:13:31 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: RC

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RC:

Like I said, I would make PSE, PDK, Sport Chrono Plus a no cost option and let customers decide if they want it or not.

But if you make it a no cost option, everyone orders it because it's for free (some exceptions for PDK because of the die-hard manual fans maybe). So that would be a financial loss. To avoid that, Porsche would "incorporate" the price for PSE , PDK, SC Plus into the base price right from the start, which would be a disadvantage for those people who don't want/need those options.

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May 7, 2011 9:40:08 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

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Do you really think that the production cost for PSE and Sport Chrono is really that high? The PSE cost would be the same as for the standard exhaust if they order the same amount of PSE from the OEM manufacturer and the Sport Chrono package is basically, if you ignore the wart on the dash, a software thingie.

PDK is of course a different story.

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May 7, 2011 10:20:15 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: RC

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RC:

reginos:

Except on the 911 Turbo, that there is none available

The 991 Turbo gets a PSE option right from the start.

At last Smiley

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May 7, 2011 10:31:33 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: RC

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RC:

Do you really think that the production cost for PSE and Sport Chrono is really that high? The PSE cost would be the same as for the standard exhaust if they order the same amount of PSE from the OEM manufacturer and the Sport Chrono package is basically, if you ignore the wart on the dash, a software thingie.

PDK is of course a different story.

IMO the Porsche options policy is very good. The buyers picks and chooses according to his/hers criteria. I know someone who has a Tiptronic Boxster 987.1 without Sport Chrono, Sport Exhaust, PCM, TPMS, Climate control (only normal A/C) and with 17" wheels. She loves the car as it is and doesn't care about any of the above options. So, why pay more? Why should Porsche raise the price and include options that a % of buyers don't care about?

The assumption that these options would be incorporated free of charge (because they don't cost much more) is not realistic because automotive pricing doesn't work like this. For example, a 911doesn't cost 80% more than a Boxster to produce and yet this is the selling price difference.

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May 7, 2011 3:37:20 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: reginos

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How many 918's do you think Porsche will sell if it has pussy exhaust sound? How many Ferrari's would they sell? Even AM, the ultimate GT has a luscious sound.

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May 7, 2011 4:02:02 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: nberry

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nberry:

How many 918's do you think Porsche will sell if it has pussy exhaust sound?

As many as there are pussies around Smiley

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May 7, 2011 7:36:14 PM

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 8234, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2004; Reply to: RC

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RC:

Do you really think that the production cost for PSE and Sport Chrono is really that high?

If you consider the additional components, required tooling, extended development timeframe and logistical requirements it does make a difference. On top of that, certain options require a separate legal verification.

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