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    Jan 16, 2011 10:34:36 AM

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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    996cal:

    Can someone outline how the rear engine deck lid is going to open up?? It looks messy back there to me. It looks like the third rear brake light will rise when the rear engine lid is up. Any thoughts

    Here's my interpretation. Looks like the little spoiler will come up wti the decklid, when the decklid is opened.
     

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    Jan 16, 2011 10:22:57 PM

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    Jan 16, 2011 10:28:25 PM

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    Good job.  I hope they won't put "PORSCHE" lettering like the panamera and the new Cayenne.


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    Jan 16, 2011 10:44:56 PM

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    Ooooh, just like an Audi.

    Jan 16, 2011 11:10:09 PM

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    FFaust:

    Ooooh, just like an Audi.

     

     

    What's wrong with an Audi?Smiley


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    Jan 16, 2011 11:27:05 PM

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    LOL, nothing at all. It's just that you would think that siblings (Porsche and Audi) would want to have different identities.

    Jan 17, 2011 3:27:51 AM

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     Everything is wrong with an Audi.....

    Jan 17, 2011 7:11:00 AM

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     Nice job ResB, but if the 991 looks like that, it would be disappointing as it looses too much of it's identity and ends up being a hybrid of Porsche , AM and Audi 


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    Jan 17, 2011 11:37:58 AM

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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Guys, the 991 won't get an extreme design change, taillights are going to be 918 RSR-like and headlights will be 911-typical, not 918-like. Interior is going to be similar to Panamera/Cayenne with a certain 911 touch (whatever this means).

    The 991 will also be slightly longer, it will offer more leg- and headroom in the rear and the proportions will be more masculine and "outlined" (whatever this means).

    Engines: base engine will have 360-365 HP, S engine will have 400-405 HP.

    A possible GTS version may start with 430 HP.

    GT3 is rumored to have 450 HP, GT3 RS 460-480 HP.

    Turbo will start with 530-540 HP.

    GT2 may hit 600 HP.

    Hope this helps. 


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    Jan 17, 2011 11:43:34 AM

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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    More leg- and headroom in the rear is the last thing I need in a 911, the rest is okay.


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    Jan 17, 2011 1:33:09 PM

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    Rossi:

    More leg- and headroom in the rear is the last thing I need in a 911, the rest is okay.


    +1 i wish the 911 to remain a sports car and not become a gt


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    Jan 17, 2011 1:45:32 PM

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    Thanks RC


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    Jan 17, 2011 1:53:47 PM

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    Believe it or not the rear lights I placed on the back were from the 918, except I increased the depth and reduced the opacity, to let some of the original image to come through, which gives it an LED look I suppose.


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    Jan 17, 2011 2:23:09 PM

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    Rossi:

    More leg- and headroom in the rear is the last thing I need in a 911, the rest is okay.

     

     Well if you're going to have rear seats, why not make them useable or not have them at all. I think it's a good thing.

    Jan 17, 2011 3:01:13 PM

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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    RC:

    Guys, the 991 won't get an extreme design change, taillights are going to be 918 RSR-like and headlights will be 911-typical, not 918-like. Interior is going to be similar to Panamera/Cayenne with a certain 911 touch (whatever this means).

    The 991 will also be slightly longer, it will offer more leg- and headroom in the rear and the proportions will be more masculine and "outlined" (whatever this means).

    Engines: base engine will have 360-365 HP, S engine will have 400-405 HP.

    A possible GTS version may start with 430 HP.

    GT3 is rumored to have 450 HP, GT3 RS 460-480 HP.

    Turbo will start with 530-540 HP.

    GT2 may hit 600 HP.

    Hope this helps. 


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    Thanks, so maybe the GT series will still use the GT1 block?Smiley
     

    Jan 17, 2011 3:09:12 PM

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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    RC:

    Guys, the 991 won't get an extreme design change, taillights are going to be 918 RSR-like and headlights will be 911-typical, not 918-like. Interior is going to be similar to Panamera/Cayenne with a certain 911 touch (whatever this means).

    The 991 will also be slightly longer, it will offer more leg- and headroom in the rear and the proportions will be more masculine and "outlined" (whatever this means).

    Engines: base engine will have 360-365 HP, S engine will have 400-405 HP.

    A possible GTS version may start with 430 HP.

    GT3 is rumored to have 450 HP, GT3 RS 460-480 HP.

    Turbo will start with 530-540 HP.

    GT2 may hit 600 HP.

    Hope this helps. 


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    Do you know if the GT cars will use the 9A1 engine or GT1 block?  If 9A1, do you know if they will make a true dry-sump version for the GT cars?

    Thanks!


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    Jan 17, 2011 3:30:53 PM

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    Any insight on weight increase/decrease?

    Jan 17, 2011 4:13:47 PM

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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Thanks RC!!

    Now how (much better) does it drive? 

    i'm wondering if the 991 will be a giant improvement or an incremental one?

    i remember an Autocar article covering the 997 and i think it was sub-titled 10 percent better -- though i just found a shorter version of the article and it said 10-15 percent better than the 996--

    here it is for a blast from the past--

    http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Porsche-911-3.8-(350bhp)-Carrera-S/209097/                                  

    (you might have to copy and paste)

     

     

    Jan 17, 2011 4:19:25 PM

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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    RC:

    Turbo will start with 530-540 HP.

    GT2 may hit 600 HP.

    Hope this helps. 

     

     

    it helps,it helps!Smiley

     

    Smiley

     

     


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    Jan 17, 2011 5:06:55 PM

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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    RC:

     

    GT3 is rumored to have 450 HP, GT3 RS 460-480 HP.

     

    Hope this helps. 


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     Thanks.... hummm, so GT3 or RS Smiley Smiley


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    Jan 17, 2011 5:46:33 PM

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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

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    Rossi:

    More leg- and headroom in the rear is the last thing I need in a 911, the rest is okay.

     

     Well if you're going to have rear seats, why not make them useable or not have them at all. I think it's a good thing.


    I don't even want rear seats. A baggage shelf like in the 599 would be enough. Smiley
     


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    Jan 17, 2011 7:49:23 PM

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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Rossi:
    palenimbus:
    Rossi:

    More leg- and headroom in the rear is the last thing I need in a 911, the rest is okay.

     

     Well if you're going to have rear seats, why not make them useable or not have them at all. I think it's a good thing.


    I don't even want rear seats. A baggage shelf like in the 599 would be enough. Smiley
     

     

    The 911 is a rear engined platform, that implies rear seats, and that is one of its atractiveness and characteristics, otherwise you'd just put the engine in the middle. So if its going to have rear seats, the more usable they are the better.


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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Turbo4ever:

    Thanks, so maybe the GT series will still use the GT1 block?Smiley
     

     

    Grant:

    Do you know if the GT cars will use the 9A1 engine or GT1 block?  If 9A1, do you know if they will make a true dry-sump version for the GT cars?

    Thanks!

     

    I recall that someone form Porsche already declared that they wil be only making one line of engines for the 911, and with their new DIF engine it made no sense now to keep making the GT1 block engine for the GT's only.

    If it will be a dry-sump version of the DFI engine I don't know, but it will be used in racing so...

     

     

     


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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

     Found it! it was Wolfgang Dürheimer:

    Here is the quote:

    But change is coming, even to the cars built by Porsche Motorsport, often seen as a brand within a brand. Ever since the first GT3 was built over a decade ago, these cars have been using the old racing engine, the indirect injection motor that can trace its origins back to the 911 GT1 Le Mans winner of 1998. But now that Porsche has an all-new direct injection flat-six in every other 911, Boxster and Cayman, the time has come for the old engine to take its final bow. "We don't need to replace it," concedes Dürheimer, "but we are business people and it doesn't make sense to have two entirely different generations of flat-six being built in house." He confirms the GT2 RS will be the last new Porsche fitted with the old engine. And while that will bring tears to the eyes of purists, I think we should at least wait to see what its replacement is like before lamenting its passing too much.


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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Thanks, Carlos!  I am not 100% convinced yet, since it seems we'll have a 4.0L GT3 RS Special Edition with the GT1 engine (but maybe not)...


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    Jan 17, 2011 8:07:43 PM

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    Grant:

    Thanks, Carlos!  I am not 100% convinced yet, since it seems we'll have a 4.0L GT3 RS Special Edition with the GT1 engine (but maybe not)...

    You have a point, it makes a lot of sense that the GT3RS4.0 would use the GT1 block still Smiley

    But it seems very likely that the 991 GT cars will now use the DFI engine... which is a good thing for all other 911 model buyers because if it is, it speaks good of the engine because it will need to stand up to use in racing, and that means that they trust the reliability and potential of their new DFI engine.


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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Carlos from Spain:
    Rossi:
    palenimbus:
    Rossi:

    More leg- and headroom in the rear is the last thing I need in a 911, the rest is okay.

     

     Well if you're going to have rear seats, why not make them useable or not have them at all. I think it's a good thing.


    I don't even want rear seats. A baggage shelf like in the 599 would be enough. Smiley
     

     

    The 911 is a rear engined platform, that implies rear seats, and that is one of its atractiveness and characteristics, otherwise you'd just put the engine in the middle. So if its going to have rear seats, the more usable they are the better.


    599 doesn't have the engine in the middle as well. Smiley

    Carlos, the more usable you make the 911 rear seats, the bigger the 911 gets and the less you need cars like a Panamera Coupé for example. Smiley
     


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    Jan 17, 2011 9:38:22 PM

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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Rossi:

    More leg- and headroom in the rear is the last thing I need in a 911, the rest is okay.

    OK, who's  6 year-old son or daughter has been writing nasty letters to Porsche about rear seat room??   Smiley 
     

    But... moving the 911 even slightly larger and more GT-ish would leave just a bit of room for a smaller, high performance mid-engine car... which was one of the rumours raised on what became the 918RSR thread.  Perhaps there is  a grand plan after all....


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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

     RC, thanks for the info!

    Very helpful

    Jan 17, 2011 11:29:45 PM

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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    4trac:
    Rossi:

    More leg- and headroom in the rear is the last thing I need in a 911, the rest is okay.

    OK, who's  6 year-old son or daughter has been writing nasty letters to Porsche about rear seat room??   Smiley 
     

    But... moving the 911 even slightly larger and more GT-ish would leave just a bit of room for a smaller, high performance mid-engine car... which was one of the rumours raised on what became the 918RSR thread.  Perhaps there is  a grand plan after all....

     

    In my opinion, making the 911 a little bigger just means my son can sit at the back til 12 instead of 10, it is not a big deal.  He will graduate to the front seat anyway.  But a further increase in exterior dimension making 911 too GT-ish is a big deal. 

    Personally, I like the 2+2 more airy feel.  Tried Cayman but feel kind of cramped.
     


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