Mar 31, 2006 11:54:28 PM
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Re: Arctic silver and GT silver photos - coming right up....
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Hi Easy, You must be a silver fanatic. Nothing wrong with that, it's a great colour, but...... It's also the most frequently seen Porsche colour in the UK, especially with Boxters and 996's.
When I bought my car I anguished over Silver, Seal and Black. Incidentally, this was before I discovered Rennteam, so I wasn't swayed by 'the board' (good thing or bad thing?)
I finally decided on Basalt because: (1) It's comparatively more exclusive. (2) It's more aggressive. (3) It's a colour which never becomes unfashionable. IMHO
I noticed on another thread that you intend to keep your car for a long time. I remember my first P-car was red, when it was the colour to have, now it's somewhat out of vogue in the UK. Same applies to white BTW. Silver will date sooner than black which always seems to keep it's place as understated but classy.
I just wondered if you'd ever considered Basalt and, if so, why you dismissed it from your final reckoning?
Also....................you struggle to keep it clean for more than 2 hours, it shows all scratches, stonechips and cleaning swirls, especially with roads here in the UK,and with all the Black BMW's and Mercs around here, Black is NOT very exclusive !
There is a very good reason why Silver is probably THE most popualar colour and better for re-sale. Because people obviously like it.
Give me Silver anyday over Black !!
But hey, its YOUR car and YOUR decision !
Make sure you make the right one...............SILVER!!
Don't agree at all.
A dirty car is a dirty car period. 'Only clean for two hours' is down to weather and applies to all colours. I've got a silver BMW which looks even dirtier if covered in mud. The only time a silver car LOOKS cleaner than black is when it's covered in salt - and who wants to leave a car covered in salt!!
Scratches and stonechips I've never had a problem with and swirl marks reflect the proficiency of your cleaning method/technique. Oh and incidentally, in exclusivity terms, we're talking about P-cars here, not BMW's or Mercs.
At the end of the day you're right - it is MY decision and I HAVE made the right one FOR ME.
Would still like to hear Easy Rider's reason for choosing silver, but thanks for your input anyway.
Re: Arctic silver and GT silver photos - coming right up....
A dirty car is a dirty car period. 'Only clean for two hours' is down to weather and applies to all colours. I've got a silver BMW which looks even dirtier if covered in mud. The only time a silver car LOOKS cleaner than black is when it's covered in salt - and who wants to leave a car covered in salt!!
Scratches and stonechips I've never had a problem with and swirl marks reflect the proficiency of your cleaning method/technique. Oh and incidentally, in exclusivity terms, we're talking about P-cars here, not BMW's or Mercs.
At the end of the day you're right - it is MY decision and I HAVE made the right one FOR ME.
Would still like to hear Easy Rider's reason for choosing silver, but thanks for your input anyway.
Glad you're happy with your choice of black !
But come on, its a well known FACT that Black is THE hardest colour to keep clean............... Period !!
Dirt is never black, just grey or any other number of colours and salt is grey or white and we all know what that looks like on a black car as you say, clean or not,
Believe it or not White is another colour as well as Silver that stays looking cleaner for longer.
The reference to Mercs and BMW's was that there is more Black quality cars being made now, so think the Black excusivity element has gone, along with Silver and now as to be made with maybe a secial order colour, and hence get the exclusivity.
I have been in the motor trade for over 20 years, and Silver is and has been, the most popular colour over recent years, for a very good reason. Hence the reason why manufacturers when they launch a new car, more often than not is in silver or a more extreme colour, like Red or Yellow...........never Black.
But you pays your money and takes your choice, whatever your happy with !!............but please don't tell me Black is easier to keep clean 
Scratches and stonechips I've never had a problem with and swirl marks reflect the proficiency of your cleaning method/technique. Oh and incidentally, in exclusivity terms, we're talking about P-cars here, not BMW's or Mercs.
At the end of the day you're right - it is MY decision and I HAVE made the right one FOR ME.
Would still like to hear Easy Rider's reason for choosing silver, but thanks for your input anyway.
Glad you're happy with your choice of black !
But come on, its a well known FACT that Black is THE hardest colour to keep clean............... Period !!
Dirt is never black, just grey or any other number of colours and salt is grey or white and we all know what that looks like on a black car as you say, clean or not,
Believe it or not White is another colour as well as Silver that stays looking cleaner for longer.
The reference to Mercs and BMW's was that there is more Black quality cars being made now, so think the Black excusivity element has gone, along with Silver and now as to be made with maybe a secial order colour, and hence get the exclusivity.
I have been in the motor trade for over 20 years, and Silver is and has been, the most popular colour over recent years, for a very good reason. Hence the reason why manufacturers when they launch a new car, more often than not is in silver or a more extreme colour, like Red or Yellow...........never Black.
But you pays your money and takes your choice, whatever your happy with !!
............but please don't tell me Black is easier to keep clean
Apr 1, 2006 11:41:37 PM
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Re: Arctic silver and GT silver photos - coming right up....
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John H said:
Hi Easy, You must be a silver fanatic. Nothing wrong with that, it's a great colour, but...... It's also the most frequently seen Porsche colour in the UK, especially with Boxters and 996's.
When I bought my car I anguished over Silver, Seal and Black. Incidentally, this was before I discovered Rennteam, so I wasn't swayed by 'the board' (good thing or bad thing?)
I finally decided on Basalt because: (1) It's comparatively more exclusive. (2) It's more aggressive. (3) It's a colour which never becomes unfashionable. IMHO
I noticed on another thread that you intend to keep your car for a long time. I remember my first P-car was red, when it was the colour to have, now it's somewhat out of vogue in the UK. Same applies to white BTW. Silver will date sooner than black which always seems to keep it's place as understated but classy.
I just wondered if you'd ever considered Basalt and, if so, why you dismissed it from your final reckoning?
Thanks John H. Interesting thoughts. Yes, it's true, I really like arctic silver. I've spent a really long time choosing my exterior colour and in the end, I wanted a variant of silver so it was a choice between arctic silver and GT silver. Fortunately I've been able to compare both colours for real at my local dealer and after I had seen them for real, my preference for arctic silver became pretty clear to me. I must say seeing photos is one thing but seeing the real thing with your own eyes in a variety of light conditions is essential and there's simply no substitute for it. I have compared the colours in good sunshine, dull weather, night time, wet weather etc etc so that I get a real appreciation for how it will look in all conditions in daily life.
So, why didn't I choose basalt black? Well, I currently have a car which is metallic black (a BMW 328i in cosmos black). Basalt black is probably not exactly the same as my cosmos black but it's certainly very similar so I just felt like trying something new! Also, I really want a silver car. I actually don't mind at all that so many people buy silver cars. I read somewhere that as many as 40% of all new cars in the UK are silver! But truthfully I am not looking for exclusivity at all. I just want a quality luxury sports car which will bring a smile to my face every time I floor it in the twisty bits!
I think silver is probably the least exclusive colour in the UK. But in truth I think black (quite rightly) is not far behind. I say 'quite rightly' because it's such a fantastic colour that it's absolutely no surprise to me that it's so popular as well. With all due respect, I just don't think that solid black/metallic black or silver will date. They're all time classics.
I don't think you've made a bad choice at all with basalt. It's a gorgeous colour too. It's just that in my case, I am not starting from a clean sheet. I have already owned a colour quite similar to basalt black so I guess I just needed something new.
BTW, about 18 months ago, when I first started thinking about replacing my car, I was toying with the idea of getting an SL500 or SL55 AMG. Of course, as soon as I took a test drive in an SL500, I quickly realised that the handling wasn't going to be appropriate to my needs.
Anyway, while I was toying with the thought of getting an SL, I rather liked a colour called Cubanite Silver. It's quite similar to a Porsche colour called Jarama Beige. Anyway, it's interesting to note that when I saw a car in Cubanite silver recently, I instantly realised how much I had gone off that colour. Funny how one's choice can change so completely over time.
I say this all because I just don't think this applies to silver or black. They're classics that will not date or go out of fashion. And I think my affinity for these 2 colours is a long term 'affliction' (LOL) rather than a short term infatuation!
Anyway, hope you're happy with basalt!
Apr 2, 2006 3:41:34 AM
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Easy - many thanks for your response.
It's probably relevant that we have similar histories. You - a black BMW and forthcoming silver 997. Me - a silver BMW and black 997.
Total respect for your decision and rationale, makes absolute sense. Actually we can't go wrong either way, the car is amazing and I wish you as much enjoyment with yours as I've experienced with mine.
Your spec' is one of the best I've seen and the result, I'm sure, of some considerable soul-searching.
When you pick her up don't forget to post some photies.
It's probably relevant that we have similar histories. You - a black BMW and forthcoming silver 997. Me - a silver BMW and black 997.
Total respect for your decision and rationale, makes absolute sense. Actually we can't go wrong either way, the car is amazing and I wish you as much enjoyment with yours as I've experienced with mine.
Your spec' is one of the best I've seen and the result, I'm sure, of some considerable soul-searching.
When you pick her up don't forget to post some photies.
Re: Arctic silver and GT silver photos - coming right up....
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But come on, its a well known FACT that Black is THE hardest colour to keep clean............... Period !!
please don't tell me Black is easier to keep clean
I think the accent is on 'keep clean' or 'LOOKING cleaner'
There's no doubt that black cars are more difficult to keep LOOKING clean. But all cars get dirty and need cleaning. I just like to keep my car clean and not just LOOKING clean.
Apr 2, 2006 6:42:55 PM
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Re: Arctic silver and GT silver photos - coming right up....
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John H said:
Easy - many thanks for your response.
It's probably relevant that we have similar histories. You - a black BMW and forthcoming silver 997. Me - a silver BMW and black 997.
Total respect for your decision and rationale, makes absolute sense. Actually we can't go wrong either way, the car is amazing and I wish you as much enjoyment with yours as I've experienced with mine.
Your spec' is one of the best I've seen and the result, I'm sure, of some considerable soul-searching.
When you pick her up don't forget to post some photies.
Thanks John H for your good wishes and compliments. Very kind...
Yes, sharing histories of silver and black says it all. Both great colours which really bring out the beauty of the cars. Both very popular for good reason!
Sure, I will post photos - hopefully when I drive it back from Germany in October after my tour of Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Monaco and France...can't wait!
Enjoy your 997! Spring has finally come so better weather for driving
...thank goodness..it's been a long cold winter 
Apr 2, 2006 7:19:45 PM
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I have been interested to read your posts on the relative merits of silver and black. I have to say after 8 years of Cosmos on my BM, Basalt on my 996 and now my Basalt C2S I am still love Black but.....in the UK with our roads, grit, salt, farmyard substances and mud, this year I've had enough! 
I am sick of freezing my behind hand washing my pride and joy, trying to make sure I clean in parallel not circular lines, only to find more stone chips, and tiny scratches in the laquer. Reckon I'll get it zymol'd for the summer and see how it looks after the winter crud.
But silver?? Carrera's look bigger in Silver to me and a bit too obvious but no argument: Silver is much easier to maintain. Before the BM I had several silver/met grey cars.And really, they never rally show the marks/swirls/dirt like black or white, do they?
It's whatever that Grey colour is on the GT3 thread for me next or GT silver. On a GT3. Mind you it does look good in Black.....
I am sick of freezing my behind hand washing my pride and joy, trying to make sure I clean in parallel not circular lines, only to find more stone chips, and tiny scratches in the laquer. Reckon I'll get it zymol'd for the summer and see how it looks after the winter crud.
But silver?? Carrera's look bigger in Silver to me and a bit too obvious but no argument: Silver is much easier to maintain. Before the BM I had several silver/met grey cars.And really, they never rally show the marks/swirls/dirt like black or white, do they?
It's whatever that Grey colour is on the GT3 thread for me next or GT silver. On a GT3.
Mind you it does look good in Black.....
Re: Arctic silver and GT silver photos - coming right up....
Actually I think black is best for revealing scuptural qualities - silver bounces a lot of light off in all directions whereas black is more directional. But it is just impossible to keep it clean and unscratched. What's cool about silver besides the easy maintainence is the way it is optically bright without being overwhelming like traditional bright colors such as red, or yellow, or even white.
I have had 2 porsches, both artic silver, and wanted change but just love how porsches look in silver so I went with GT. Car is in production but think the GT will look great; based on what I have seen it will look really good with the cocoa interior.
I have had 2 porsches, both artic silver, and wanted change but just love how porsches look in silver so I went with GT. Car is in production but think the GT will look great; based on what I have seen it will look really good with the cocoa interior.
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