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Dec 8, 2010 6:09:18 PM

trip: Expert; Loc: Bay Area California , United States; Posts: 1691, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 11, 2006; Reply to: Herbaliser

Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

Herbaliser:

A 2-tone sedan with RWD that can be driven hard only on a perfect weather doesn't make sense to me.

That is simply not the case, RWD is far from obsolete. If you are a good driver, it offers a much more rewarding driving experience IMHO. My M5 (e39) is a perfect example of a powerful, 2 ton, RWD sedan that can be driven hard and safely on the road. As long as the road is dry, I always deactivate traction control. If it is raining, I don't think driving hard is a good idea period!

Most cars are set up to understeer from the factory, the M5 is no exception, I have done much to dial out this understeer to the point that the car corners neutrally. The limits are high, but it is possible to adjust cornering attitude using the throttle without fear of losing control.

If I were in the market for a new M5, I would insist on RWD. I do think Xdrive should be available as an option for those who live in colder/wet climates.

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Dec 9, 2010 7:47:01 AM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: trip

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RC, i am with you.

why would i go for a sedan when today's power-suv's offer the best of both worlds.

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Dec 9, 2010 10:05:58 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: intouch1

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intouch1:

RC, i am with you.

why would i go for a sedan when today's power-suv's offer the best of both worlds.

Because many people who defend sedans, don't seem to have a clue about the capabilities of high performance SUVs. Smiley Smiley

Of course there is also the higher fuel consumption but the benefits of a high performance SUV instead of a sedan are huge, especially in regions with bad weather, bad streets or if you have a large family (or a wife with lots of luggage... Smiley ).

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Dec 9, 2010 10:07:32 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: trip

Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

trip:

Herbaliser:

A 2-tone sedan with RWD that can be driven hard only on a perfect weather doesn't make sense to me.

That is simply not the case, RWD is far from obsolete. If you are a good driver, it offers a much more rewarding driving experience IMHO. My M5 (e39) is a perfect example of a powerful, 2 ton, RWD sedan that can be driven hard and safely on the road. As long as the road is dry, I always deactivate traction control. If it is raining, I don't think driving hard is a good idea period!

After watching a M5 in snow, I can assure you: if the M5 doesn't need 4WD, I don't know which other car would need it. xDrive would be a huge success on the M5.

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Dec 9, 2010 10:28:45 AM

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 4100, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 19, 2004; Reply to: RC

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Totally agree ! here in Switzerland for examples Mercedes has loost a lot of customers because of not having had a long time 4wheel versions for their limousines etc - now picking up this trend with the CLS as well.

Audi got that market advantage here for a long time and from a traction point of view to have 4wheel drive is a very good thing specially with 500 HP plus car. Just this morning you could have not driven a RHD M5 - but certainly yr M5 x....+15 cm snow overnight !

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Dec 9, 2010 11:02:54 AM

Conny997: Expert; Loc: Munich , Germany; Posts: 1682, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 1, 2006; Reply to: BjoernB

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I never understood why a high power car should have RWD only. Beside of bad weather like snow and ice y've a lot of problems even on wet roads due to the loss of grip during start and/or strong acceleration.
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Dec 9, 2010 11:21:47 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Conny997

Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

Conny997:
I never understood why a high power car should have RWD only. Beside of bad weather like snow and ice y've a lot of problems even on wet roads due to the loss of grip during start and/or strong acceleration.

Smiley Many believe that AWD takes away the fun but modern AWD systems can be tweaked in various ways to keep the fun. Smiley

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Dec 9, 2010 12:47:07 PM

artur777: Senior; Loc: Europe , Russia; Posts: 774, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2008; Reply to: RC

Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

absolutely agree

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Dec 9, 2010 1:31:57 PM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: artur777

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99% of these cars are driven on a daily basis on normal roads. 4wd is a huge advantage.

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Dec 9, 2010 1:34:13 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: intouch1

Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

In dry climates and excluding Utility Vehicles, 4wd is not enjoyable at all, unless you go over 500 HP.

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Dec 9, 2010 3:05:15 PM

Herbaliser: Co-Pilot; Loc: Zero Degree Atoll , Maldives; Posts: 298, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 30, 2007; Reply to: reginos

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I kick-down at 60km/h activates the traction control on my RS6 if the tires are not warm enough. And this is with the "boring" torsen quattro...Whatever they do with those 2-ton sedans, the level of fun they provide will never touch a proper sports car. So why bother with the RWD.

Last year when I went to the pre-launch presentation of the Panamera in Leipzig, we were given many different Porsches to drive on the track to compare them with the Panamera. Guess what I did - after the first 15 min I changed my Panamera Turbo for a Boxster then I got a Carrera...and didn't look back for the Panamera. Its a fantastic car but If you want fun - get a "small" Porsche.

Another thing that I will miss in the current and future sport sedans is the V10 sound and vibration. The unique cylinder firing sequence of the V10 is amazing. You just feel that you drive an exotic sport engine, not a super-smooth, upgraded V8 derived from a standard production model.

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Dec 9, 2010 3:31:32 PM

WAY: Rennteam Master; Loc: Melbourne, Australia; Posts: 3344, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: Herbaliser

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I disagree with you guys regarding AWD. I like to play with the rear end of the car a little when I am driving late at night or in the middle of no where. For example, I just came home (it's 2.30am) and it was raining outside. I was having fun drifting my GT3 with MPSC tyres at relatively low speed at various intersections. Would never have been able to do that in a AWD car! That is also why I love driving our M3. It has such a playful chassis that will allow me to lighten the tail as I wished. When I test drove the RS5, I hated it. Sure it is a bloody fast car and hugely competent, but I just could not "play" with the rear end like I can with the M3. Of course, having said all that, I live in sunny Australia and the only snow is 2.5 hours away from me up at the ski fields.

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Dec 9, 2010 5:07:53 PM

trip: Expert; Loc: Bay Area California , United States; Posts: 1691, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 11, 2006; Reply to: WAY

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WAY:

I disagree with you guys regarding AWD. I like to play with the rear end of the car a little when I am driving late at night or in the middle of no where. For example, I just came home (it's 2.30am) and it was raining outside. I was having fun drifting my GT3 with MPSC tyres at relatively low speed at various intersections. Would never have been able to do that in a AWD car! That is also why I love driving our M3. It has such a playful chassis that will allow me to lighten the tail as I wished. When I test drove the RS5, I hated it. Sure it is a bloody fast car and hugely competent, but I just could not "play" with the rear end like I can with the M3. Of course, having said all that, I live in sunny Australia and the only snow is 2.5 hours away from me up at the ski fields.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Although my E39 M5 is far from state of the art these days, it remains a very competent and fun car to drive. With the considerable modifications I have made to the suspension, the car handles as well as modern day super-saloons, it just isn't as powerful. Despite weighing 4000 lbs, the car is now quite nimble and very well balanced. As WAY said of his M3, an extremely playful chasis. If the M5 wasn't RWD, I would not be nearly as fond of it. This is one of the reasons I am not a fan of Audi's super-saloon offerings, the AWD system and nose-heavy cornering attitude kill the fun.

I admit, the Bay Area is a fairly dry climate and we never get snow, perhaps if I lived in Northern Europe my opinion would change. I would also like to add that I completely understand the rational for AWD sedans and even super-suv's. If I had the means to afford a dedicated RWD sports car as well as a family hauler / daily driver, the hauler would be an AWD SUV capable of nasty weather and Lake Tahoe adventures. In the future, this is likely the mix I will go for, although I hope to keep the E39, it is just so compelling!

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Dec 9, 2010 5:17:28 PM

REALZEUS: Expert; Loc: UK and Greece , United Kingdom; Posts: 1611, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 24, 2008; Reply to: trip

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Nothing beats RWD both for fun and speed on dry tarmac / track. Winter time requires AWD though, or FWD at the very least.

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Dec 9, 2010 9:00:27 PM

throt: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 6078, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2005; Reply to: REALZEUS

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2012 showroom release for the M5, sounds a bit too far off?....

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Dec 10, 2010 7:29:39 AM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: throt

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2011 is more like it.

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Dec 10, 2010 8:45:23 AM

Shakal: Expert; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 1375, Gallery; Registered on: May 30, 2006; Reply to: intouch1

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intouch1:

2011 is more like it.

Press release will be in Summer next year, launch at the IAA Frankfurt Motor show in September.

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Dec 10, 2010 2:31:09 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: reginos

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reginos:

In dry climates and excluding Utility Vehicles, 4wd is not enjoyable at all, unless you go over 500 HP.

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"Form follows function"

I guess you are one of the few lucky ones. Smiley

Unfortunately we have a lot of snow and rain in Germany, AWD is a huge benefit.

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Feb 17, 2011 4:10:22 AM

Ron (Houston): Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Houston, TX , United States; Posts: 8812, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 10, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

Are these the real pix ?

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Feb 17, 2011 4:46:50 AM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: Ron (Houston)

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Hmmm looks photoshopped. Also, too similar to the regular 5er and the little M bits seem to be from the last generation. Surely we will see something more aggressive. Trunk spoiler? It's a PS and the real thing will be way nicer!

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indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine.. I happen to like both :)

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Feb 17, 2011 5:40:19 AM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8845, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: Atzporsche

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its a PS, but a really good one.

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Feb 17, 2011 6:26:11 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Enmanuel

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The wheels looks horrible, they look so feminine, I am sure BMW M has better taste than that.

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Feb 17, 2011 7:29:27 AM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

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That thing is the real deal!

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Feb 17, 2011 8:13:35 AM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: Lars997

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i doubt it is. lines look random.

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Feb 17, 2011 8:34:12 AM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: intouch1

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It'll have better rims and an actual new front and rear bumper.. this is just the last one someone slapped on the new chassis in a photoshop. New M5 think, some 6er lines and maybe even some i8 elements mixed with that aggressive new "softness"

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indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine.. I happen to like both :)

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Feb 17, 2011 9:57:29 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Atzporsche

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Photos look nice (if real) but what bothers me is the M5 Saloon license plates. I can't imagine that BMW uses the description Saloon in Europe, so maybe this is just a good photoshop job done by talented US M5 fan.

I posted the photos in the official german M forum, if they get deleted, we have our confirmation.

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Feb 17, 2011 11:26:27 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: RC

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Just got this in from BMW: Photoshop. Cheers.

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Feb 17, 2011 11:45:24 AM

throt: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 6078, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2005; Reply to: RC

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Also, the new M5 will have air intakes in the bonnet, correct?.......

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Feb 17, 2011 12:02:41 PM

Ron (Houston): Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Houston, TX , United States; Posts: 8812, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 10, 2002; Reply to: RC

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RC:

I posted the photos in the official german M forum, if they get deleted, we have our confirmation.

Smiley Smiley

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Feb 17, 2011 3:29:06 PM

REALZEUS: Expert; Loc: UK and Greece , United Kingdom; Posts: 1611, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 24, 2008; Reply to: RC

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RC:

Photos look nice (if real) but what bothers me is the M5 Saloon license plates. I can't imagine that BMW uses the description Saloon in Europe, so maybe this is just a good photoshop job done by talented US M5 fan.

I posted the photos in the official german M forum, if they get deleted, we have our confirmation.

Why not use the word saloon in Europe?

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