Crown

Board: BMW M Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread


    New M5 rumor mill gossip

    Had a nice chat to "somebody" last night and due to his high blood alcohol level (food was excellent too Smiley), I got some info on the new upcoming BMW M5.

    - engine power output equal or a tiny bit lower than X5/X6 M (which is quite a surprise because so far, rumors indicated something around 570-580 HP)

    - exhaust sound improved over X5/X6M due to a new design of the complete intake/exhaust system (also responsible for the lower than anticipated power figure)

    - weight: BMW tries to keep the weight slightly below 2 tons but it isn't easy

    - xDrive tested too, maybe optional later on

    - rumored performance figures: 0-100 kph in 4 seconds, 0-200 kph slightly under 13 seconds

    - optional M Driver's Package raising top speed to 310 kph

    Maybe these rumors aren't something spectacular but I thought it is worth sharing them with you.

    As always: rumors should be taken with a grain of salt, sometimes they are intentionally communicated to us, just to throw us off the track. Smiley Smiley

    Last but not least: apparently somebody at M GmbH wants more power and a better performance to stay ahead of the competition since the new M5 is planned for an end of 2011 arrival. This could mean that we actually see a substantial increase in engine power and some other goodies but since BMW M GmbH also plans to stay below the competition's cars price tag, I'm not sure how this is going to work out for them.

    This makes the confusion perfect, right ?! Smiley


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    i was thinking it would certainly have more power than the X as well


    --
    Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

     Less power or equal then X5/X6M? I hope it ins`t true....


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    Thanks for the info. I've already read the hp in the latest AMS. They stated 550hp equal to your source. But nothing about exhaust improvements or performance figures is mentioned. So your source seems to be more reliable. Maybe you would have gotten more infos by a higher level of alcohol? :-)) X- drive would be a great improvement for an high power sedan. With x-drive the new M5 would be one of my serious choices as a replacement for my current X5M. The other possibility is the Panamera Turbo S. So I'm approaching to an old question: BMW or Porsche? Understatement or not? Well, will see what happen...
    --
    Kind regards, Conny 

    Porsche 997.2 Turbo S  *  BMW X5 M
     

    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    As always first hand news, thanks RC Smiley.


    --
    Happy Driving

    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    RC:

    This makes the confusion perfect, right ?! Smiley


    Haha, so true. We at BMW want to give more and charge less.... oh yes the good old dance Smiley

    Anything less than 580hp would not be good IMO. Also i think if they keep weight under 2000kg and provide an Xdrive option, it could be a hit. I would like to see some smart tech under the skin from their secret supercar development.

    Another rumor i heard is that Audi is developing a super seden, A9 to slot in above the S8... Lambo V12 and VW W16 engines with crazy aggressive design.. Smiley


    --

    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    I actually think that the new M5 should have at least 600 HP flat to cope with a possible future competition and of course to annihilate the current one.

    Not sure this is going to happen though, BMW M GmbH needs to achieve a certain sales price, so adding more goodies to the M5 should be a (financial) problem.


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    Christian,

    Any rumour about the tranny of the car?

    A 2-tone M Car with a turbo engine in it sounds a little wrong, IMO. This car is more like an AMG. I'm sure it will drive beautifully but 2-tones is too much. I'm having problem with my own M3's 1610 kg weight.

    Well, at least, BMW M decided to produce 1M...


    --

    ONUR

    11 M3 Coupe AW

    09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    DKG for the M5...as far as I heard. No automatic tranny like on the X5/X6M. 


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    Thanx for info

    Regarding engine power... my source told me it will have arround 580 hp. This is figure with rumoured KERS...

    Onur: It will have M DCT gearbox which will be made for F10 M5 and F12 / F13 M6 .

     


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    RC:

    I actually think that the new M5 should have at least 600 HP flat to cope with a possible future competition and of course to annihilate the current one.

    Not sure this is going to happen though, BMW M GmbH needs to achieve a certain sales price, so adding more goodies to the M5 should be a (financial) problem.

    Christian,

    I think making 580 hp from a biturbo engine instead of 550 hp won't cost anything to BMW. It is turbo engine and BMW have been making this engine for the last almost 2 years. Squezing another 30 hp should not be expensive on a bi-turbo engine. It is not like getting 580 hp from the current V10.


    --

    ONUR

    11 M3 Coupe AW

    09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    The problem seems to be the intake/exhaust system: due to the new V8 bi-turbo engine, they had to make some modifications to improve exhaust/engine sound and to be able to allow a slightly higher rev figure. Apparently they took the exhaust sound complaints from the X5/X6M seriously.


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    I think I will stick to the smaller/more agile BMW sedans like the M3 or even 1M.  If I want a 2 tonne car, I will drive the X5M.


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    Atzporsche:
    Another rumor i heard is that Audi is developing a super seden, A9 to slot in above the S8... Lambo V12 and VW W16 engines with crazy aggressive design.. Smiley

     There is some word out there of a possible RS7 with the V10, perhaps in 2014. First I've heard of an A9 -- what  you're describing sounds like something to go after the Rapide.


    --

    "When you design a car around the customer's wishes, you get cup holders. When you design a car around innovative thinking, you get a Porsche."


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    WAY:

    I think I will stick to the smaller/more agile BMW sedans like the M3 or even 1M.  If I want a 2 tonne car, I will drive the X5M.

     

    The X5 M is still 300 kg heavier than the M5. Smiley


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    Considering the weight of 2,3 tons, the fuel consumption of X5 M is not bad.

    I had a 1.100 km trip at the weekend and I averaged 104 km/h and 13.0L/100 km.


    --

    ONUR

    11 M3 Coupe AW

    09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    i think the X/M exhaust sound would actually suit the sedan. it does not suit the X's however.

    i doubt bmw will go to the extreme of kers. too costly and most likely too complicated at this stage.


    --
    Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    WAY:

    I think I will stick to the smaller/more agile BMW sedans like the M3 or even 1M.  If I want a 2 tonne car, I will drive the X5M.


    I thing the M5 isn't in the segment of a 911 or even a BMW M3.
    It was and will be a powerful limo like some of the AMG E/CLS 63.
    Hence it musn't fulfill real sporty demands but has a better handling like a X5M.
    The last week i drove a normal 535 i and was completely surprised how agile it was.
    That car is'nt that bad in its segment -and with the M5 package and x-drive not the worst choice.


    --
    Kind regards, Conny 

    Porsche 997.2 Turbo S  *  BMW X5 M
     

    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

     the car should have around 600 hp or have considerable less weight than 2000 kg to maintain the competition.

    I have heard about the X-Drive as well

    M-DCT also +

     


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    M5 over Panamera. Any day 


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    Upsa:

    M5 over Panamera. Any day 

     not exactly on the same category IMO, the panamera is a Rapide and Quattroporte competitor. while the M5 goes against the RS6 and E63.


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

     Panamera, Rapide, CLS63 = 4 seats

    M5, Quattroporte, RS6, E63 = 5 Seats

    Thats how i see it


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    RC:
    WAY:

    I think I will stick to the smaller/more agile BMW sedans like the M3 or even 1M.  If I want a 2 tonne car, I will drive the X5M.

     

    The X5 M is still 300 kg heavier than the M5. Smiley


    Yes I understand that, but given I don't get the chance to drive my cars at 250kmh+ cruising speed, the agility is what I prefer, which means lighter/smaller car.  The X5M will give me more space and comfort I feel, so what is the point of the M5 for me.  Take my E63 as a case in point.  We don't even use this car.  It has done less than 1000km in 5 months!  Both my wife and I prefer to take the M3 if we don't need the extra space for 5 passengers.


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    intouch1:

    i think the X/M exhaust sound would actually suit the sedan. it does not suit the X's however.

    i doubt bmw will go to the extreme of kers. too costly and most likely too complicated at this stage.

     

    I agree, the X5 M sound suits a sedan like the M5 much better but apparently M GmbH realized that they need to add some more juice to the sound.

    I'm actually pretty curious about the next M5 because if it has xDrive (even optional) and if the price/performance ratio is right, I may be interested. 2012 will be a year of at least two car decisions in our family, so... Smiley

     


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    m5 has always been a great car imo.

    i once had the 400 hp manual m5 for a whole day in berlin when it was just introduced to the market. late 90's i believe.

    at that time 400hp was almost unheard of in a street car. the memories remain with me until today.

    its a very subtle beast and very understated. cool car ! all m5's are......


    --
    Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    I was promised to be able to drive a pre-production 550iX but so far, nothing has happened. A friend who drove this car was amazed about it's performance.

    I can't wait to testdrive the new M5. 


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    intouch1:

    m5 has always been a great car imo.


    That's true. But IMO time has moved on and it gets more and more difficult for cars like the M5 or the AMG-version of the E-class. Just remember how many M5 with 6 cylinder did you see? At least in Germany you saw them quite often. Great cars BTW, especially with the latest 340hp-version of the glorious M1-engine. Then came the V8 models and the M5 became more rare. And how many V10 do you actually see in the streets? What looks like a M5 is a M-styled 530d most of the time. Smiley

    Same goes for the AMG E-class, Audi with its S/RS-models may be a bit of an exception here, perhaps due to quattro, which is a great plus at these cars IMO.
     


    --

    The secret of life is to admire without desiring.


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    Unfortunately the rear wheel drive kills the M5 deal for me. I can only accept a rear wheel drive on a super focused, lightweight sports car such as Porsche GT/2/3 or Ferrari. A 2-tone sedan with RWD that can be driven hard only on a perfect weather doesn't make sense to me.

    My choice - the Panamera Turbo S when it come out.


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    Herbaliser:

    My choice - the Panamera Turbo S when it come out.

     

    The Panamera Turbo S should be the hell of a sports sedan, no doubt about it. 

    I may be more interested in the Cayenne Turbo S when it is available but time will tell, it also depends on what my wife decides (she changes her car taste on a daily basis... Smiley).

    BMW M GmbH seems to be thinking about a M5 xDrive but to be honest, I would have liked to see this one as a standard option on the M5.

    Just imagine: BMW M5 xDrive, 600 HP, 1950 kg weight, for under 110000 EUR base price. Smiley


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW


    Re: New M5 rumor mill gossip

    RC:
    Just imagine: BMW M5 xDrive, 600 HP, 1950 kg weight, for under 110000 EUR base price. Smiley


     

     Turbocharging, 4WD, huge weight... that sounds like an Audi, not a BMW. Smiley


    --
    FERRARI RULES!!!


     
    Edit

    Forum

    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II) 3/17/24 7:48 AM
    GnilM
    661979 1775
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 2/19/24 11:51 PM
    Wonderbar
    401133 564
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Cayman GT4 RS (2021) 5/12/23 12:11 PM
    W8MM
    254588 288
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Porsche 911 (992) GT3 RS - 2022 3/12/24 8:28 AM
    DJM48
    229148 323
    Porsche Sticky The new Macan: the first all-electric SUV from Porsche 1/30/24 9:18 AM
    RCA
    59503 45
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Taycan 2024 Facelift 3/15/24 1:23 PM
    CGX car nut
    4378 50
    Porsche The moment I've been waiting for... 2/1/24 7:01 PM
    Pilot
     
     
     
     
     
    853477 1364
    Porsche 992 GT3 7/23/23 7:01 PM
    Grant
    761769 3868
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020) 4/6/23 7:43 AM
    crayphile
    446929 1276
    Porsche Welcome to the new Taycan Forum! 2/10/24 4:43 PM
    nberry
    376563 1526
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 7/3/23 12:30 PM
    Porker
    359294 797
    Porsche GT4RS 2/22/24 5:16 AM
    tso
    358780 1424
    Others Tesla 2 the new thread 12/13/23 2:48 PM
    CGX car nut
    350164 2401
    Lambo Aventador and SV 3/30/23 1:59 PM
    CGX car nut
    278184 724
    Ferrari Ferrari 812 Superfast 4/21/23 8:09 AM
    the-missile
    271218 550
    Porsche Red Nipples 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour 3/14/24 8:55 PM
    blueflame
    268462 658
    Porsche Collected my 997 GTS today 10/19/23 7:06 PM
    CGX car nut
     
     
     
     
     
    244134 812
    Lambo Huracán EVO STO 7/30/23 6:59 PM
    mcdelaug
    220795 346
    Others Corvette C8 10/16/23 3:24 PM
    Enmanuel
    217544 488
    Lotus Lotus Emira 6/25/23 2:53 PM
    Enmanuel
    185511 101
    Others Gordon Murray - T.50 11/22/23 10:27 AM
    mcdelaug
    150841 387
    Porsche Back to basics - 996 GT3 RS 6/11/23 5:13 PM
    CGX car nut
    122212 144
    AMG Bought a muscle car... 3/26/23 3:31 PM
    WhoopsyM
    118133 303
    Ferrari [2022] Ferrari Purosangue (SUV) 4/15/23 5:20 AM
    watt
    115933 141
    BMW M 2024 BMW M3 CS Official Now 12/29/23 9:04 AM
    RCA
    102106 303
    Motor Sp. 2023 Formula One 12/19/23 5:38 AM
    WhoopsyM
    100620 685
    Others Valkyrie final design? 4/28/23 2:45 AM
    Rossi
    97074 219
    Porsche 2022 992 Safari Model 3/7/24 4:22 PM
    WhoopsyM
    80057 239
    AMG Mercedes-Benz W124 500E aka Porsche typ 2758 2/23/24 10:03 PM
    blueflame
    74188 297
    Porsche 992 GT3 RS 3/3/24 7:22 PM
    WhoopsyM
    51727 314
    133 items found, displaying 1 to 30.