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Re: 458 - ON FIRE IN BRAZIL!!!
Targa Tim:
not uncommon for Ferrari, recall or not makes no difference.
The recall makes a significant difference. If the owner has had the work done and the car still caught fire it's a major concern to other owners. If he hadn't had the recall work done then the fire may well have been caused by the heat shield issue. In any event Ferrari will replace this car I'm sure.
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Targa Tim:
not uncommon for Ferrari, recall or not makes no difference.
The recall makes a significant difference. If the owner has had the work done and the car still caught fire it's a major concern to other owners. If he hadn't had the recall work done then the fire may well have been caused by the heat shield issue. In any event Ferrari will replace this car I'm sure.
appreciate your reply.
this is not the first time a Ferrari caught fire. The question is why do owners need to be recalled to fix a heat shield issue that always persist?
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we don't even pay half that and we are a much smaller market. wow that is craaaazy.
Re: 458 - ON FIRE IN BRAZIL!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mm2z5lgifY
Ferrari 360
Actually, a young girl was killed in that accident. She was burned to death in a burning Ferrari 360. The man who drove the car (Marin Colak, a Croatian profesional driver) survived, because he fell out from Ferrari - no seat belt. Tragic.
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Re: 458 - ON FIRE IN BRAZIL!!!
While I was having dinner at a local restaurant a couple of days ago the Ferrari sales manager came to my table. He told me he would call me to order the 458 within 30 days and was apologetic about not being able to order it sooner(apparently he forgot that I was not interested in ordering on at this time).
But more importantly and the reason for this post is he stated all the Ferrari lines had been shut down for some time except for the old 612. He stated the reason had to do with F 1 racing and bonus incentives for the workers which lead to a strike by the workers. With the problems with the 458, I wonder if the true reason is a retooling of the 458, CALI and 599 which may have similar issues?
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Re: 458 - ON FIRE IN BRAZIL!!!
I don't think your dealer was giving you good info Nick unless he was referring to the normal summer shutdown. I was at my dealer last week and they'd just received a delivery including a Cali, 458 and 599 the previous week. They've also had another 458 go into build last week.
The Cali and 599 both have totally different layouts to the 458 and neither have suffered from the heatshield issue. I watched the wheel arch recall being done on my car and it's a lengthy and involved job for the tech's. They are surprised that the factory didn't simply issue replacement wheel arch liners but I guess the supplier couldn't ramp up production to meet the demand quickly enough.
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I think it's ridiculous to buy a so specialized and expensive car like the 458 and have the dealer technicians do such a complicated modification (which shouldn't be required in the first place, but that's a different issue).
The least Ferrari S.p.A should do, was to collect the cars ship them to the factory and do the job properly. I remember when Audi had the problem with the original TT (a car costing a small fraction of the 458) all cars were modified at the factory.
I'm sure when I shall be looking to buy my used 458 in a few years' time I wouldn't want to pay the same money for a modified example by a dealer 
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Re: 458 - ON FIRE IN BRAZIL!!!
The Audi TT recall was carried out by dealers as well Reginos www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/1999/10/21/audi-tt-in-safety-recall/6138/
There is no way that a manufacturer could cope with having completed vehicles returned to the factory for modification. The reverse logistics involved would be far too costly and the potential for damage to vehicles would be significant by adding transit legs to and from the factory. Ferrari would have to be shipping cars back from all over the world. No production facility is set up to cope with "reworks" on this scale. I've been to Maranello three times in the last two years and they simply do not have the space there to deal with cars coming back. Don't forget the vast majority of staff are trained to assemble not to strip and repair cars.
There's nothing wrong with dealers carrying out the recalls as they have the correct facilities and tools to do the job. It will be interesting to hear what the OP finds out regarding the recall work done on this particular car.
Re: 458 - ON FIRE IN BRAZIL!!!
I had one of the first Audi TT in November 1998. It took more than a month to install the new features. I think the conversion wasn't done by my Audi dealer. I had several Audi rental cars in this period, I tried all there different types of cars. Everytime I asked my dealer (big one in Munich) when the conversion will be finished he told me that Audi couldn't tell them a date. So I think it was done by Audi and not by the dealer.
When I received the "new" Audi TT with all the safety features I decided to sell the car. The TT looked terrible with the rear spoiler. I bought my first Boxster. I never regret this decision
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The Audi TT recall was carried out by dealers as well Reginos www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/1999/10/21/audi-tt-in-safety-recall/6138/
There is no way that a manufacturer could cope with having completed vehicles returned to the factory for modification. The reverse logistics involved would be far too costly and the potential for damage to vehicles would be significant by adding transit legs to and from the factory. Ferrari would have to be shipping cars back from all over the world. No production facility is set up to cope with "reworks" on this scale. I've been to Maranello three times in the last two years and they simply do not have the space there to deal with cars coming back. Don't forget the vast majority of staff are trained to assemble not to strip and repair cars.
There's nothing wrong with dealers carrying out the recalls as they have the correct facilities and tools to do the job. It will be interesting to hear what the OP finds out regarding the recall work done on this particular car.
Audi TT recall fixing job was done by Audi, not the dealers because it didn't involve only suspension mods and the rear lip spoiler but also the retrofit of ESP.
Recalls happen but it really depends on how they are handled. A manufacturer like Ferrari shouldn't rely too much on dealers and dealer mechanics because from what I heard from many Ferrari owners, especially in Germany, many repair shops don't seem to have a real clue about what they are doing. A good Ferrari repair shop/mechanic seems to be really a rare thing.
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Re: 458 - ON FIRE IN BRAZIL!!!
Perhaps the German market was treated differently by Audi but I had a car in the UK and it went back to the dealer for the mod's. It looks like the US market was the same www.autobuyguide.com/2000/12-aut/audi/tt/recalls/index.html
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