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Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
My new Turbo S arrived just over 3 weeks ago. I have since clocked almost 4000 km and I am glad I heeded Cannga's advice:
Bilstein B16 suspension and Cargraphic exhaust, plus Sport Cup semi-slicks.
While the Turbo is not made to be used on a racetrack the way a GT3/RS is, it is a powerful, very agile car for everyday use, winding and fast country roads/mountain passes and the occasional use on a race track.
Acceleration is awesome, gear-shifting with PDK both under power and when down-shifting under braking is great fun and the Cargraphic sound is just terrific.
Due to its higher weight, the Turbo is at a natural disadvantage to the GT3 on track (especially under braking), but my guess is that a Turbo S with the added goodies mentioned above would give it a good run for its money.
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
KresoF1:
997.2 Turbo S Coupe tested in latest issue of German Auto Zeitung.
0-100km/h: 3.0s
0-200km/h: 10.1s
Measured weight: 1609kg
Nice new avatar, Kreso. 
Astonishing numbers, unfortunately still no time for 0-300 kph... 
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The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
Conny997:
Rossi:
Astonishing numbers, unfortunately still no time for 0-300 kph...
Maybe 300 kph is to fast for the Autozeitung
To be honest, I think this number is not that important, the 100 to 200 acceleration is what counts.
Nevertheless it would be nice to know. 
BTW Conny, is that your car in your avatar? 
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The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
Yes I got it this week. The acceleration ist actually very impressive and the "best" of all:
In sport/sport+ mode the exhaust note is with a slight deeper growl compared to the standard.
Porsc he actually improved the sound of the S model. 
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Kind regards, Conny
Porsche 997.2 Turbo S * BMW X5 M
Porsche 997.2 Turbo S * BMW X5 M
awesome car !
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
strong numbers and as long as shifs concerne the acceleration of the new turbo / S pdk are almost unbeatable. But over 200kmh up to 300kmh they wound be as quik as for example: 458 takes (around 33 secs up to 300kmh ) gt2 997 (officialy data 33 secs )as well but messured in 34 to 36 secs , lp 560 messured in 35 secs..
Turbo pdk was around 41 secs so the s will be around 39 secs (my guess)
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
Dario:
strong numbers and as long as shifs concerne the acceleration of the new turbo / S pdk are almost unbeatable. But over 200kmh up to 300kmh they wound be as quik as for example: 458 takes (around 33 secs up to 300kmh ) gt2 997 (officialy data 33 secs )as well but messured in 34 to 36 secs , lp 560 messured in 35 secs..
Turbo pdk was around 41 secs so the s will be around 39 secs (my guess)
Why should it be slower than GT2 when it has similar hp yet slippier aerodynamics and faster gear changes 
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2009 997 GT2 659PS/827NM DIN
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
reason could be gear ratio, 7 th gear of pdk is purly overdrive, top speed reatched in 6th gear, power to wight ratio of gt2 is still better then turbo / s pdk and sport auto messured on its high speed test gt2 up to 300 in 36 secs turbo pdk in 41 secs.
i tested with a friend of mine his new turbo pdk on the german high ways against my gt2 and in fact about 230 kmh the gt2 makes his terrain.....
any other ideas why gt2 is faster on high speed....
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
Rossi:
Many congrats Conny, great news!
I will be in Zuffenhausen in two weeks...
Thanks, Rossi.
Let me guess:
You don't want only visit the museum, right?
So let me ask:
Coupe or cabrio??
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Kind regards, Conny
Porsche 997.2 Turbo S * BMW X5 M
Porsche 997.2 Turbo S * BMW X5 M
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
KresoF1:
Congrats Conny! Indeed, Turbo S sound little bit more agressive then standard Turbo.
In late September I will be able to tell you the real difference between 500ps and 530ps...
I don't expect a notable difference, but I am very curious on your impressions.
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Kind regards, Conny
Porsche 997.2 Turbo S * BMW X5 M
Porsche 997.2 Turbo S * BMW X5 M
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
conny, on the contrary, i do expect them to be quite different ....specially if the engine has a more aggressive boost map.
congrats n your turbo s btw. i hve driven friends turbo pdk and it is lightyrs head of my ex turbo tips.
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Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
intouch1:
i guess 4wd takes its toll at higher speeds.......
No I don't think it makes any dicernible difference. I ran my 993tt in 2WD and 4WD in acceleration tests up to 310kph and there was no discernable difference in the times (only the 4WD was a lot more stable !!)
The Cargraphic 997GT2 bodied turbo is 4WD and its 630PS/890NM managed 0-300kph in 23.8s, the 2WD Techart GT2 with claimed 700PS was a couple of seconds slower....
It is the "quality" of the hp IMO and the new engine appears to lose its power once it gets heated up....
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2009 997 GT2 659PS/827NM DIN
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
TB993tt:
intouch1:
i guess 4wd takes its toll at higher speeds.......
No I don't think it makes any dicernible difference. I ran my 993tt in 2WD and 4WD in acceleration tests up to 310kph and there was no discernable difference in the times (only the 4WD was a lot more stable !!)
The Cargraphic 997GT2 bodied turbo is 4WD and its 630PS/890NM managed 0-300kph in 23.8s, the 2WD Techart GT2 with claimed 700PS was a couple of seconds slower....
It is the "quality" of the hp IMO and the new engine appears to lose its power once it gets heated up....
dont agree with that cargraphic vers techart gt2.
First techart ( GT street rs )has sutch a big body kit witch makes a lot a additional drag, but as well additional down force. Second techart is running 20 (zoll) tyres, vers cargrapich 19, and the techart wight is 80 kg more than the cargraphic. And big surprisly the cargraphic was dynod over 700 hp....
(somehow cargraphic is extremly conservativ with the offical hp)
It is not possible to run a 23 secs up to 300kmh with only 630 hp, on a 4wd turbo. Otherwise the new gt2 rs should run around 23-24 secs as well with 620 hp....
9ff with 800 hp and sportec with 750 hp runs around 21 secs. (both modded gt2) try to upload the scans in the next times (in this test was as well the gt street rs with 26 secs up to 300kmh but really quick on track due to his additonal downforce
What is the issue with the heating of the new 3,8liter engine, why is there a probleme in powerloss over the older 3,6 liter thanks for info
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
Dario, do you have details of the Cargraphic car being dynoed at 700hp ?
You may be right and they may be sandbagging (they certainly lied about the torque - they quoted the same 826NM in that test yet and know for a fact the engine was re-built and retuned with Carrillo rods and 900NM.) They say the hp was the same ~630 but because the torque curve was so high it has the 630hp virtually all the way from 5500rpm to 7000rpm, this could make the car do the 23.8s 0-300kph.....
This is all very interesting for me as my power curve is NOT like this and I am about to have Carrillos fitted and am considering having a similar retune as I describe above - if I do then we won't have to speculate since I will do the testing 
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I don't think you can compare 9ff or Sportec power numbers, they are done on different chassis dynos, Cargraphic is on engine dyno which measures torque very accurately.
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2009 997 GT2 659PS/827NM DIN
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
will try to recontact the owner and have a copy of his dyno sheed to upload it.
Saw him on tuner granprix, but his explination maked sense to me as i could not (and still can not ) believe that only a "630" hp car could t run a 23 secs up to 300kmh
i agree with you that hp from different tuners are hardly to compare, but we also know that 9ff build very strong and fast cars.
As you running a nicely moddet gt2, what is your time up to 300kmh. Would say it must be around 27-28 secs if you running standart gear ratio. (in this cas 630 hp for 23 secs seems even more unlikely)
I will head towards www.manthey-motors.de/nextshopcms/show.asp for my tuning but the outcome will be only 600 hp.. For me important is quality witch definitly comes from manthey (see 24 houre race on nürnburgring) and not the amount of hp. The mantey kid is about 25 000 euros (different cooling,different exhaust, cats, different clucth and mapping) i know i could get it have price easily at cargraphic, but im sure that they could never profide the quality as manthey does (Manthey m600 hockenheim time was 1:08,4).
So i would be curios to know a bit about your mods, guess you did aswell the turbos, who did your mapping.
Thanks for some infos
Dario
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
Conny997:
Rossi:
Many congrats Conny, great news!
I will be in Zuffenhausen in two weeks...
Thanks, Rossi.
Let me guess:
You don't want only visit the museum, right?
So let me ask:
Coupe or cabrio??
Err, I will visit the museum. And I will have a nice meal there. And I'm a Coupé-guy.
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The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
AMS tested 997.2 Turbo S in latest issue...
997.2 Turbo S
0-100km/h: 3.1s
0-160km/h: 6.8s
0-200km/h: 10.5s
Weight: 1564kg(optional Bucket seats)
For comparison AMS numbers for...
997.2 Turbo PDK
0-100km/h: 3.3s
0-160km/h: 7.2s
0-200km/h: 11.1s
Weight: 1584kg(optional PCCBs)
SLS AMG
0-100km/h: 3.9s
0-160km/h: 7.8s
0-200km/h: 11.7s
Weight: 1632kg(optional Ceramics and Bucket seats)
458 Italia
0-100km/h: 3.4s
0-160km/h: 6.9s
0-200km/h: 10.4s
Weight: 1544kg(optional wheels, Bucket seats and complete exterior lightweight CF trim)
Gallardo LP570-4 SL
0-100km/h: 3.4s
0-160km/h: 6.9s
0-200km/h: 10.5s
Weight: 1484kg(optional Ceramics)
Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)
Dario:
will try to recontact the owner and have a copy of his dyno sheed to upload it.
Saw him on tuner granprix, but his explination maked sense to me as i could not (and still can not ) believe that only a "630" hp car could t run a 23 secs up to 300kmh
i agree with you that hp from different tuners are hardly to compare, but we also know that 9ff build very strong and fast cars.
As you running a nicely moddet gt2, what is your time up to 300kmh. Would say it must be around 27-28 secs if you running standart gear ratio. (in this cas 630 hp for 23 secs seems even more unlikely)
I will head towards www.manthey-motors.de/nextshopcms/show.asp for my tuning but the outcome will be only 600 hp.. For me important is quality witch definitly comes from manthey (see 24 houre race on nürnburgring) and not the amount of hp. The mantey kid is about 25 000 euros (different cooling,different exhaust, cats, different clucth and mapping) i know i could get it have price easily at cargraphic, but im sure that they could never profide the quality as manthey does (Manthey m600 hockenheim time was 1:08,4).
So i would be curios to know a bit about your mods, guess you did aswell the turbos, who did your mapping.
Thanks for some infos
Dario
Dario
I only use RS Tuning for engine work, they are the best, better than Manthey (who use outside programmer and rolling road for tuning). Manthey's forte is chassis set up and race preparation. In the 24 Nurburgring race you refer to the RS Tuning engined Porsche Cup finished in front of all the Manthey and official Porsche entrants - it was the best placed Porsche. My 0-300 is about 26s but that is for a non "built" engine - bolt ons only, the Cargraphic car we are discussing has special rods and a lot of torque, it did 200-300kph in 14.8s which is 0.83s faster than mine (it is about 60kg heavier than mine, similar aerodynamics, 4WD v 2WD) different day and conditions so FWIW ?
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2009 997 GT2 659PS/827NM DIN
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