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May 16, 2010 2:30:28 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Lord_Driftalot

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

The pass by MS on Alonso is illegal Smiley article 48 or something states that if the pacecar is out until the end of the race, the pacecar will enter to pits on the last lap (no drive to the finish line) and the drivers will continue to the checkered flag without any overtaking.

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May 16, 2010 2:31:47 PM

sevoman: Co-Pilot; Loc: Australia , Australia; Posts: 253, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 1, 2005; Reply to: Lord_Driftalot

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Way to go Mark!!! What an amazing last 8 days for him.

At last a car and team to match his ability, after so many years of disappointment.

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May 16, 2010 2:41:07 PM

Thoma: Veteran; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 855, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 5, 2005; Reply to: sevoman

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

http://planetf1.com/news/3213/6157621/Stewards-investigate-Schumi-s-move-past-Alonso

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May 16, 2010 2:56:25 PM

gangajas: Senior; Loc: Spain , Spain; Posts: 510, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 8, 2004; Reply to: Thoma

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

IMHO the overtaking was perfectly legal because he overtook him after the SC line and they were driving under green flags.

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May 16, 2010 3:00:58 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: gangajas

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

gangajas:

IMHO the overtaking was perfectly legal because he overtook him after the SC line and they were driving under green flags.

Maybe this is one example of what one usually calls experience Smiley MS seems to know the rules better than many other drivers Smiley Smiley Smiley

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May 16, 2010 3:08:49 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Thoma

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Thoma:

http://planetf1.com/news/3213/6157621/Stewards-investigate-Schumi-s-move-past-Alonso

Thank you Smiley So:

Article 40.13 of the 2010 regulation states that 'If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.'

Rule is pretty clear. Ross brown says the race didn't end with the safety car because there were green flags signaling the safety car was going in on that lap, but the rules say that the safety car must enter pit on the last lap (it cannot continue to the flag) so there is no other way the race can end with the safety car, I.e. the moment the race director decided to keep the safety car out until the last lap, it automatically means, the race ended with the safety car. Anyway... FIA has a hot one in their hands Smiley

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May 16, 2010 3:19:11 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Whatever, the outcome of the investigation I'm glad the old Schumacher is back. Opportunist and exploiting the last detail on the track

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May 16, 2010 3:50:40 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: reginos

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Mercedes GP point of view

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83670

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May 16, 2010 4:40:53 PM

vinnie: Veteran; Loc: Australia , Australia; Posts: 1005, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 25, 2005; Reply to: reginos

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Great picture.

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May 16, 2010 5:51:15 PM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: vinnie

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Why aren't the drivers cruising to the finish then? Seems like this was a confusing rule and MS took advantage of it, a punishment would be a little absurd given they waved GREEN flags, which means go. I expect another random decision from the FIA. Other than that it was a decent race though, RBR to the top with ease and domination. I hope they take both titles this year!

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May 16, 2010 6:00:47 PM

Thoma: Veteran; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 855, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 5, 2005; Reply to: Atzporsche

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8685542.stm

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May 16, 2010 6:00:54 PM

Eunice: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Karlsruhe , Germany; Posts: 6155, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2008; Reply to: Thoma

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Well green flag = race ok. So either the pass was legal or someone waved an incorrect flag.

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May 16, 2010 6:25:00 PM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: Eunice

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

So where is the punishment for the guy who waved the green flag? And since he was clearly waving it, why did schumi get 20 seconds off and not just a place reversal?! Since again FIA decisions are biased.

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indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine.. I happen to like both :)

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May 16, 2010 7:06:33 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Atzporsche

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Simple, breaking a rule = penalty (unless you are Hamilton).

The rule is pretty clear, you cannot overtake on final lap if safety car is out on that lap, period. Green flag means racecar has left, but if its the last lap it doesn't mean you can overtake.

Those are the rules, just like the new rule that wouldn't allow Alonso's team to fix his car in time for an opportunity to even qualify, and he had to start not on the back of the grid but on top of it he had to start from boxes... and still he overtook 17 drivers on the Monaco track. A greater feat than Schummacher finishing 5th from last position in 2006 since there were only 22 cars that year. After the luck he had this weekend and what he did on the race, he deserves that 6th spot more than anybody.

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May 16, 2010 7:06:43 PM

917962: Pilot; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 444, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 28, 2008; Reply to: Atzporsche

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Schumi aside, am I the only one who feels that Hamilton has yet again been a complete fool? McLaren (Ron) has been there from the beginning and his public outburst, not the first time mind you, is how he thanks them. I'm not foolish, Ron and McLaren saw that they could benefit by supporting him through the ranks but Hamy has no class. I was one of the many whom thought that Button's decision was ill conceived but he has shown otherwise. Button could have acted like a diva (Hamilton) and yet he took the higher ground.

Great race for Webber!

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May 16, 2010 7:08:05 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: 917962

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

What did Hamilton do? I missed it that.

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May 16, 2010 7:11:20 PM

917962: Pilot; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 444, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 28, 2008; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Another outburst on the radio. The team told him that he needed to be careful with his breaks and his response was a very childish "do you want me to race or not."

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May 16, 2010 7:58:05 PM

spudgun: Veteran; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 1212, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2006; Reply to: 917962

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Can you blame him for responding that? I thought it was quite amusing and he did had a point. To much nannying in F1 these days anyway.

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May 16, 2010 8:05:45 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: 917962

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

917962:

Another outburst on the radio. The team told him that he needed to be careful with his breaks and his response was a very childish "do you want me to race or not."

Thanks, didn't hgear that one. Kind of serves them well, they spoiled him like a brat, so a spoiled brat is what they get.

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May 16, 2010 8:18:24 PM

Lord_Driftalot: Senior; Loc: Wien , Austria; Posts: 730, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 12, 2005; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

What a fool decision of the race stewards, but that outcome was predictable, as Shuey buddy Damon Hill was one of the stewards.

Some races ago, Alexander Wurz was also steward and had to judge some doubtfull situations of the race, and as a real racer he judged for the sport and against "laws" which were established by laywers without habing raced any racecar!!

MS did the right thing, the green flags were waved, everybody raced to the finishline, just FA made a mistake and good old MS took advantage out of it.

Furthermore it's a shame to penalize him with 20s, as the race ended with everybody within that timemargin!

Hopefully the sport "will win" and MS will retain his posiition...

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May 16, 2010 8:23:49 PM

Eunice: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Karlsruhe , Germany; Posts: 6155, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2008; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Carlos from Spain:

Simple, breaking a rule = penalty (unless you are Hamilton).

The rule is pretty clear, you cannot overtake on final lap if safety car is out on that lap, period. Green flag means racecar has left, but if its the last lap it doesn't mean you can overtake.

That is not true. Green means free to race.

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/8687/

The drivers then continue in formation until they cross the first safety-car line where green lights will indicate that they are free to race again.

With the rules you cite, the yellow flag should have been waved until the race ending.

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May 16, 2010 8:24:08 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Lord_Driftalot

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Lord_Driftalot:

What a fool decision of the race stewards, but that outcome was predictable, as Shuey buddy Damon Hill was one of the stewards.

Some races ago, Alexander Wurz was also steward and had to judge some doubtfull situations of the race, and as a real racer he judged for the sport and against "laws" which were established by laywers without habing raced any racecar!!

MS did the right thing, the green flags were waved, everybody raced to the finishline, just FA made a mistake and good old MS took advantage out of it.

Furthermore it's a shame to penalize him with 20s, as the race ended with everybody within that timemargin!

Hopefully the sport "will win" and MS will retain his posiition...

You know what: the important part is that Schumi smoked Alonso Smiley Who cares about the championship points... The Mercedes is not good enough to win the championship this year anyhow. So what matters is that MS was quicker than his team mate and that he smoked Alonso. Might give him some more mental strength for the races to come Smiley

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May 16, 2010 8:25:28 PM

Eunice: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Karlsruhe , Germany; Posts: 6155, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2008; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

MKSGR:

You know what: the important part is that Schumi smoked Alonso Who cares about the championship points...

Shht, you're right but don't tell Carlos Smiley

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May 16, 2010 8:47:50 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Eunice

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Eunice:

MKSGR:

You know what: the important part is that Schumi smoked Alonso Who cares about the championship points...

Shht, you're right but don't tell Carlos

Quick! Let's delete my post before he sees it Smiley Smiley

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May 16, 2010 9:00:23 PM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Carlos from Spain:

Simple, breaking a rule = penalty (unless you are Hamilton).

NO its even more simple, GREEN FLAG = GO

Alonso = FAIL

the 20 seconds penalty is pulled out of thin air and typically FIA crap. If the rules were so simple according to you, how come everyone still races thru the checkered flag? If the rules were clear i would coast thru it to save my engine Smiley

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May 16, 2010 9:11:42 PM

kashmir: Senior; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 596, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 18, 2004; Reply to: Atzporsche

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

...Schumacher, Alonso, Hamilton or whatever.... IMO the current F1 is overruled. Penalising drivers for defeating their position, not allowing t-cars or punishing drivers for overtaking when safety car is in, that can´t be it... as said IMO way to much. Rules should be straight and race focused, which is in some examples not the case anymore.

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May 16, 2010 9:16:17 PM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: kashmir

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I think their hearts are in the right place in that they want to ensure no more deaths in the sport. But in doing so, the regulations have castrated the sport to a point that when a tragic incident does occur, it could very well damage F1's future. I feel like they are in some sort of feedback loop with regards to safety and precautions.

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May 16, 2010 9:17:50 PM

kashmir: Senior; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 596, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 18, 2004; Reply to: kashmir

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Good drive by Alonso, in the beginning lot of good overtakes in the backfield. What brought him forward was especially the early tyre change during first SC. Alonso did what he can, any point is worth in this years championship.

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May 16, 2010 9:18:55 PM

kashmir: Senior; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 596, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 18, 2004; Reply to: Atzporsche

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Atzporsche:

I think their hearts are in the right place in that they want to ensure no more deaths in the sport. But in doing so, the regulations have castrated the sport to a point that when a tragic incident does occur, it could very well damage F1's future. I feel like they are in some sort of feedback loop with regards to safety and precautions.

Yep...you are right, some regulations are overdone...

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May 16, 2010 9:24:19 PM

kashmir: Senior; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 596, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 18, 2004; Reply to: kashmir

Re: 2010 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

...I would lie to say I completly happy with Sebastians 2nd place.

MW was doing so well and fully deserved the win.

Webber will be a bigger challenge for Vettel than many expected.

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