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Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
Here are a few numbers to put the US and the European car market into perspective:
Vehicle size
Europe: Over 75% < 4.3m long
US: core market for cars is around 4.8m long
Average engine cubic capacity (cm3 or liter)
Europe: 1,704
US: 3,430 (o/w Cars 2,769, Light Trucks (LT) 4,100)
Average power (kW)
Europe: 85
US: 157 (o/w Cars 136, LT 177)
Diesel vs Petrol
Europe: 45%/55% (Diesel vs Petrol)
US: 2-3%/97-98% (Diesel vs Petrol) (o/w Cars < 1%, LT 2-3%)
Automatic vs Manual
Europe: 18%/82% (Automatic vs Manual)
US: 86%/14% (Automatic vs Manual) (o/w Cars 80%/20%, LT 93%/7%)
Model offering:
Europe: Top 20 models represent 41% of total sales
US: Top 20 models represent 36% of total sales
Bottom line a 300hp, 5.0m long, equipped with an automatic gearbox is a "monster" in Europe
Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
EricAlain:
Here are a few numbers to put the US and the European car market into perspective:
Vehicle size
Europe: Over 75% < 4.3m long
US: core market for cars is around 4.8m long
Average engine cubic capacity (cm3 or liter)
Europe: 1,704
US: 3,430 (o/w Cars 2,769, Light Trucks (LT) 4,100)
Average power (kW)
Europe: 85
US: 157 (o/w Cars 136, LT 177)
Diesel vs Petrol
Europe: 45%/55% (Diesel vs Petrol)
US: 2-3%/97-98% (Diesel vs Petrol) (o/w Cars < 1%, LT 2-3%)
Automatic vs Manual
Europe: 18%/82% (Automatic vs Manual)
US: 86%/14% (Automatic vs Manual) (o/w Cars 80%/20%, LT 93%/7%)
Model offering:
Europe: Top 20 models represent 41% of total sales
US: Top 20 models represent 36% of total sales
Bottom line a 300hp, 5.0m long, equipped with an automatic gearbox is a "monster" in Europe
Great and interesting statistics - thanks for posting 
Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
Porsche lost "credibility" when they introduced the Cayenne Diesel, simply because it was way too weak for a Porsche. If they would have introduced a 350+ HP Diesel with at least 700 Nm of torque, things would have looked different.
The next Diesel will NOT be underpowered according to our sources, there may even be two Diesel models.
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Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
So is this V6 straight from the VW bin? I read that unlike the Cayenne's V6 this is supposedly Porsche's own development, a shortened V8. But that was originally based on an Audi design anyway if I remember correctly...
So what's the deal? True Porsche or not.
Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
Tim:
So is this V6 straight from the VW bin? I read that unlike the Cayenne's V6 this is supposedly Porsche's own development, a shortened V8. But that was originally based on an Audi design anyway if I remember correctly...
So what's the deal? True Porsche or not.
I know that the VW/Porsche V6 from the Cayenne is too tall for the Panamera engine bay. So the Panamera V6 is a new engine without any previous application, but I don't know if it is based on another engine.
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Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
KresoF1:
reginos:
KresoF1:
It is VW engine and it will be in new Cayenne as well.
In what other cars it is used?
It will be in several models from VAG. BUT, it this power/torque version only in Panamera/Cayenne for the first period of time...
It's good to be in the VW Group 
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Feb 19, 2010 12:37:13 AM
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Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
Aloha.
Major differences between the V6s and V8s are as follows:
Panamera: matte black trim around the windows, black air intake slats, black brake calipers, halogen headlights [without cleaning units; standard equipment, but the bi-xenon ones in the V8s are optional], solid rear diffuser, two single-tube tailpipes.
Panamera 4: matte black trim around the windows, titanium-colored air intake slats, black brake calipers, halogen headlights [without cleaning units; standard equipment, but the bi-xenon ones in the V8s are optional], rear diffuser with three small fins, two single-tube tailpipes.
Panamera S: chrome trim around the windows, black air intake slats, silver brake calipers, bi-xenon headlights with cleaning units, solid rear diffuser, two twin tailpipes.
Panamera 4S: chrome trim around the windows, titanium-colored air intake slats, silver brake calipers, bi-xenon headlights with cleaning units, rear diffuser with three small fins, two twin tailpipes.
The Panamera Turbo significantly differs from the rest... But here are the differences anyway.
Panamera Turbo: chrome trim around the windows, chrome side air intakes behind the front wheels, parallelogram-shaped LED indicators in the front grille, four LEDs in the headlight units, red brake calipers, stainless steel rear diffuser, two twin tailpipes.
Hope this helps.
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Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
rulesdontapply:
Aloha.
Major differences between the V6s and V8s are as follows:
Panamera: matte black trim around the windows, black air intake slats, black brake calipers, halogen headlights [without cleaning units; standard equipment, but the bi-xenon ones in the V8s are optional], solid rear diffuser, two single-tube tailpipes.
Panamera 4: matte black trim around the windows, titanium-colored air intake slats, black brake calipers, halogen headlights [without cleaning units; standard equipment, but the bi-xenon ones in the V8s are optional], rear diffuser with three small fins, two single-tube tailpipes.
Panamera S: chrome trim around the windows, black air intake slats, silver brake calipers, bi-xenon headlights with cleaning units, solid rear diffuser, two twin tailpipes.
Panamera 4S: chrome trim around the windows, titanium-colored air intake slats, silver brake calipers, bi-xenon headlights with cleaning units, rear diffuser with three small fins, two twin tailpipes.
The Panamera Turbo significantly differs from the rest... But here are the differences anyway.
Panamera Turbo: chrome trim around the windows, chrome side air intakes behind the front wheels, parallelogram-shaped LED indicators in the front grille, four LEDs in the headlight units, red brake calipers, stainless steel rear diffuser, two twin tailpipes.
Hope this helps.
Yes, it did.
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Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
Diesel penetration reached 80% in France 2 years ago. It is now back to 70% because of the ongoing scrapping incentive plan that is favouring small cars that are traditionally equipped with petrol engines.
Here is a graph with diesel sales in most European markets
Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
I think the big diesels are great aggregates. If I compare my 535d with an 530i or even a 550i I would never make a change. The subjective feeling of the strong diesel torque is enormous. You never have the feeling that the car is to slow - so ideal!
Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
Lars997:
I think the big diesels are great aggregates. If I compare my 535d with an 530i or even a 550i I would never make a change. The subjective feeling of the strong diesel torque is enormous. You never have the feeling that the car is to slow - so ideal!
There is a saying in the auto business that "customers ask for horsepower, but they actually buy torque."
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Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
KresoF1:
reginos:
KresoF1:
It is VW engine and it will be in new Cayenne as well.
In what other cars it is used?
It will be in several models from VAG. BUT, it this power/torque version only in Panamera/Cayenne for the first period of time...
OK-appogiese to everyone.
I received an email from my P friend with following info:
"Kreso,
Meine freunde-neue Panamera V6 motor ist Panamera S motor minus 2 Zylinder. Komplett Porsche design. Fahrleistung sind auf sehr gutes niveau..."
So, new V6 is complete Porsche design: 4.8L V8 minus 2 cylinders= 3.6L V6
Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
KresoF1:
KresoF1:
reginos:
KresoF1:
It is VW engine and it will be in new Cayenne as well.
In what other cars it is used?
It will be in several models from VAG. BUT, it this power/torque version only in Panamera/Cayenne for the first period of time...
OK-appogiese to everyone.I received an email from my P friend with following info:
"Kreso,
Meine freunde-neue Panamera V6 motor ist Panamera S motor minus 2 Zylinder. Komplett Porsche design. Fahrleistung sind auf sehr gutes niveau..."
So, new V6 is complete Porsche design: 4.8L V8 minus 2 cylinders= 3.6L V6
Thanks! This engine will also go into the Cayenne in place of the VW one?
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Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
So it's from the 996 parts shelf, or completely new?
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Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
trip:
reginos:
Atzporsche:
So it's from the 996 parts shelf, or completely new?
996
Cayenne uses a V6 not a flat 6 as in the 911.
That is most probably this VW machine: http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/news/item/13
I was driving the Passat CC with this engine and I have to say that it felt slow and pressure-less!
Re: Panamera / Panamera 4 - Official Data and Photos
Lars997:
trip:
reginos:
Atzporsche:
So it's from the 996 parts shelf, or completely new?
996
Cayenne uses a V6 not a flat 6 as in the 911.
That is most probably this VW machine: http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/news/item/13
I was driving the Passat CC with this engine and I have to say that it felt slow and pressure-less!
Lars,
Read my post in this thread from few days ago. New V6 in Panamera and Cayenne is pure Porsche development. It is basically 4.8L V8 minus 2 cylinders...
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