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Rossi:

I put this question here: will there be a RS4 Avant and if yes, when will we see it? 

Sorry to say this to you-currently NO plans for RS4 or RS4 Avant.

BUT, maybe there will be RS5 Sportsback....

...and one last info about that new 4.2FSI HDZ in RS5-it is after 458 Italia the best NA high reving V8 on the market. Red line is 8500rpm...

KresoF1:

Rossi:

I put this question here: will there be a RS4 Avant and if yes, when will we see it? 

Sorry to say this to you-currently NO plans for RS4 or RS4 Avant.

BUT, maybe there will be RS5 Sportsback....

 

...and one last info about that new 4.2FSI HDZ in RS5-it is after 458 Italia the best NA high reving V8 on the market. Red line is 8500rpm...

Thanks for the info Kreso.

It's a pity that there is no RS4 in their plans. A close relative of mine wants to change his S6 Avant and is thinking about reducing the size of the car. But stepping down from a 435 hp V10 to a 333 hp V6 in the S4 doesn't make sense, a RS4 Avant with 450 hp would have been the ideal car for him, but now...
 

The secret of life is to admire without desiring.

Many Thanks Kreso for this info.

i will replace my ALLROAD 3.0 TDI (C6) by a S5 Sportback or RS5. RS5 Sportback will be the best package. What is the timeframe for RS5 Sportback 2010 , 2011 , 2012 ?

Do we have a chance to have official pictures of RS5 Coupe before Geneva in march ?

thanks,

ALEXISP

RS5 SB maybe mid 2011...

Thanks,

I will see @ geneva ths RS5 Coupe to finalize my decision.

I can imagine the gap between S5 Sportback and RS5 Coupe in term of performance and price will be huge.

ALEXISP

U Boat Commander:

Heist:

In Matte Black, it's remeniscent of a Nissan GT-R

Except it's not hideous.

 Oh come on the GT-R is by no means a bad looking car, specially the rear. ITs just such a devastating mixture of technical things that are ill produced and bound to go wrong after just 3 launch controls, and the super expensive maintenance costs that make it seem horrible. 

I had not seen this thread until after I visited Audi USA website today. I did that because I saw an S5 the other day in traffic. I have always liked the shape of this car. So at the audi site you can build your owm and then the website creates a nice PDF file for you with all the details and price and pictures.

So here is the interior, you can not customize as much as I would like but still nice. This S5 would be a nice daily driver.

2010 Audi RS5 spy pics...

 This car should give the M3 a run or its money.

I wonder if the Audi RS5 will use any of the lightweight technology from the Audi A5 Lightweight Concept...

ALUMINIUM A5 COUPE PROTOTYPE SHOWS THE LIGHTER SIDE OF AUDI

Lightweight construction pioneer highlights its technological lead

• Dynamic and efficient: Audi – pioneer of lightweight design for enhanced performance and optimised efficiency
• Aluminium-bodied A5 prototype aids development of the ASF concept
• Over 550,000 Audi models with an aluminium body since 1994
• New materials and technologies for the cars of tomorrow

A lightweight Audi A5 Coupe prototype has jettisoned over 100kg by swapping steel for advanced aluminium and carbon fibre construction in the interest of fuel economy, emissions reduction and handling agility. The A5 project is the latest example of the pioneering work undertaken by the Vorsprung durch Technik brand to extend efficiency optimisation measures well beyond the engine bay. 

Taking an existing steel-bodied production car as its basis, the A5 project car clearly demonstrates the benefits of the aluminium Audi Space Frame (ASF) concept with which Audi broke new ground 15 years ago, and which test beds of this kind help to evolve and improve. Use of the ASF principle reduces the weight of a car body by at least 40 per cent compared with conventional steel construction, and this shows in a kerb weight of 1,310kg for the aluminium A5 prototype, versus a total of 1,420kg for the equivalent steel-bodied series production model.

Thanks to the significant weight loss, achieved by mounting aluminium and carbon fibre-reinforced plastics onto the aluminium Audi Space Frame (ASF), the A5 prototype is able to use a four-cylinder engine with its attendant economy and emissions advantages to deliver the performance of a higher output V6.

With the acclaimed 2.0-litre, 211PS Turbo FSI engine, the A5 achieves a power-to-weight ratio of 161PS per tonne. For comparison, the 'standard' A5 3.2 FSI V6 quattro with 265PS, which tips the scales at 1,540kg, shades it only by a fraction at 172PS per tonne.

The lightweight design of the test car not only enables a smaller engine to supplement a larger one with no impact on performance and gains in economy and emissions, but also has a knock-on effect on ancillaries such as the brakes and transmission, which can also be reduced in size and weight. It also enables the car to change direction noticeably more keenly and nimbly and, thanks to the reduction in unsprung weight, to ride with even more refinement. 

15 years of lightweight construction experience

Over the past 15 years, Audi has employed the ASF principle in two generations of A8 luxury saloon, in the hyper-efficient, ahead-of-its-time A2 compact hatchback and in the celebrated R8 super car. ASF has also been re-interpreted in the creation of the latest TT Coupe and Roadster, which feature advanced steel and aluminium 'hybrid' construction that allows for outstanding weight distribution.

"One of our most enduring aims for the future is to reverse the weight spiral," says Michael Dick, Member of the Board of Management of AUDI AG responsible for Technical Development. "Lightweight design is the foundation of our entire approach to improving efficiency."

Lightweight design is a strategic responsibility at Audi. It makes a significant contribution to dynamic potential and efficiency, helping to conserve resources and reduce operating costs. The electric drives of the future will add additional weight to the car and will initially only offer a limited range, making systematic lightweight design all the more important.

ASF: the reversal of the weight spiral

The reversal of the weight spiral that Audi initiated with the ASF principle which began with the Audi A8 of 1993 has major efficiency advantages. Every 100kg saved reduces fuel consumption by 0.3 to 0.5 litres per 100 kilometres, corresponding to a reduction of 8 to 11 grams of CO2 per kilometre. A lighter body is also the starting point for weight reductions on other parts of the car, such as the chassis or the fuel tank. 

Meanwhile lightweight bodies are an absolute prerequisite for the electric drive systems of the future with their heavy batteries. The performance and range expected by customers cannot be achieved without them.

Audi has already built more than 550,000 vehicles with an aluminium body. Added to this are roughly 9,000 Lamborghinis – no other manufacturer in the world can even come close in terms of the number of vehicles or their diversity.

The ASF technology is an unparalleled success story. Audi has increased its lead step by step: in alloys, in the reduction of the number of parts and in production efficiency. Numerous innovations in development and production have raised the level of automation from 25 to over 80 percent, which is nearly on par with steel body construction.

In fabrication, traditional spot welding is being replaced by joining methods developed by Audi, including punch riveting, bonding or laser-MIG hybrid welding. In the TT and the R8, self-tapping screws are used to join many of the components. Another innovation is the laser-welded invisible seam on the roof of the TT.

A8, R8, TT and TT Roadster: the state of the art

The second generation of the A8 and the R8, TT Coupé and TT Roadster sports cars document the current state of the ASF technology. The superstructure of the current A8 weighs 218kg while the aluminium body of the R8, whose co-supporting engine frame is made of ultra light magnesium, tips the scales at 210 kg.

The TT Coupé and Roadster bodies weigh 206 kg and 251 kg respectively while the TT "family" also features an additional innovation. To ideally balance the axle loads between the front and back, Audi developed an innovative hybrid construction for its compact sports cars: Most of the body is made of aluminium, but steel is used in the rear.

Depending on the model, the kerb weight of the TT has been reduced by between 20 and 90 kg compared to the previous model which had an all-steel body. At the same time, the static torsional rigidity of the Coupé increased by 50 percent and that of the Roadster by an even more impressive 100 per cent.

The ASF provides the foundation for precise handling and a high level of passive safety. A lighter car has to dissipate less kinetic energy and is also does less damage to others involved in an accident. The lightweight design combines chassis responsiveness and efficiency in typical Audi fashion.

Foundations were laid almost 100 years ago

NSU built the Type 8/24, featuring a body made entirely of aluminium, in 1913, and 10 years later, the Audi Type K wore an experimental streamlined skin of this same material. In the 1930s, specialists from the Racing department of Auto Union manufactured aluminium panels by hand and used them to build the bodies and streamlining panels for their spectacular racing cars and land speed record cars. 

Lightweight design advanced to the level of a strategic project at Audi in 1982 to invent a self-supporting body with a material roughly two-thirds lighter than conventional steel and also with a new geometry tailored to this material – the Audi Space Frame.

In 1985, Audi presented the body of an Audi 100 made of aluminium but still using a conventional monocoque design. The legendary concept sports cars of 1991, the Audi Avus quattro and the Audi quattro Spyder, had skins of the light metal but underneath were still supporting frames.

The new technology was ready for series production in 1993. A shining silver showcar with an unpainted body of polished aluminium was on display at the Frankfurt Motor Show. The predecessor to the A8 bore the designation ASF, the abbreviation for Audi Space Frame. The production model that debuted the following year was a milestone – the first large-volume production car with a self-supporting aluminium body.

The A8 paved the way for Audi into the premium league and it also sparked new developments for the traditional material of steel. The principle embodied by the first A8 still applies today: Die castings and extruded sections form a framework-like skeleton that incorporates aluminium panels as co-supporting elements. The components with their various cross-sections and shapes combine optimal function with low weight.

The Aluminium and Lightweight Design Centre

Audi established a special Aluminium Centre in Neckarsulm for development, production planning and quality assurance in 1994. The Aluminium and Lightweight Design Centre experiments with high-strength steels, tailored blanks, fibre-reinforced plastics and magnesium. 

Heinrich Timm, the Head of the Aluminium and Lightweight Design Centre, says: "Aluminium remains the primary material, but we are intensively investigating the other materials, with our primary focus on fibre-reinforced composites."

The lessons learned at the Aluminium and Lightweight Design Centre innovation foundry, which employs 150, have already served as the basis for a three-digit number of patents in development and production – a balance they can be proud of. The European Patent Office named Audi "European Inventor of the Year 2008" for its achievements with the ASF technology.

Lightweight design in the rest of the vehicle

Audi also makes systematic use of lightweight design in the drive chain and the chassis. Many engines uses aluminium and vermicular graphite cast iron, which is the result of a high-tech production process, to reduce the weight of the crankcase. Many models have chassis with predominately aluminium parts. 

Carbon fibre-ceramic brake discs are available as an option in the high-performance models. Other highlights of lightweight design include brake callipers, bonnets and boot lids, side panels or cover components made of aluminium and steering wheel rims or instrument panel mounts made of magnesium.

Experience from the world of motor sports flows back into the development work – the reduction and distribution of weight are extremely important for Audi's pioneering diesel-engined Le Mans sports-prototypes and its DTM (touring) cars. The race cars provide the production development engineers with important information about carbon and its combination with metal.

Research continues into new materials and alloys, with the focus on minimal weight with maximum durability as well as design and fabrication compatible with the materials.

The Audi brand exceeded the milestone 100,000 sales mark in the UK in 2007 and 2008. Globally, the brand exceeded 1 million deliveries for the first time in its history in 2008. With its programmes for both road and race cars the brand continues to maintain its upward trajectory. On the road it has extended its reach into important new segments with new models such as the A5 Sportback, the Q5, the TT RS and the R8 5.2 FSI quattro, and in the near future will break further new ground with the A1 compact hatchback and the Q3 compact SUV. On the race circuit Audi Sport has contested the Le Mans 24-hour marathon eleven times since 1999, achieving a podium finish on all of these occasions and outright victory a total of 8 times.

Source: Audi press release (09/2009)

Hint...

331kw... 8250...

440Nm...

Hey KresoF1 - that sounds great! 

...so the RS5 will have engine output of around 444bhp at 8,250rpm, with 8,500rpm red-line and around 325lb/ft of torque!?

...any new spy pics around?

...Auspuffanlage mit Klappensteuerung.

KresoF1:

...Auspuffanlage mit Klappensteuerung.

Cool, that sounds like the RS5 will get a button to operate the...

 "sports exhaust with vacuum controlled exhaust flaps in the front silencers to reduce exhaust backpressure and further increase the engine power output" !!! 

Return Of The Audi Ur-Quattro...

(27 January 2010)

"While recent speculation has suggested that the German automaker Audi is bringing back everybody’s favorite Group B contender, the Ur-Quattro, in some way shape or form; one inspired automotive designer has taken it upon himself to come up with an enticing rendering of what the new car could look like. From the bulging fenders to the flared front end, this four ringed fast back 21st century Audi Quattro has the soul of the original, all the way down to the decals stuck to the bottom of the doors.

Just like we thought the real thing would, this Quattro rendering is based on an A5 chassis and features an RS5 style front bumper complete with R8 inspired horizontal fins made from carbon fiber. The lightweight space age theme continues with a complete under tray to keep the concept stuck to the road while we can only speculate about what could be lurking under the hood. With our imaginations running wild we can hear everything from a whining supercharged V6 to a screaming FSI V10 spitting spent gasses from its tailpipes. However if Audi keeps true to the original, it will be powered by a boosted version of the proven 2.5 Liter turbocharged five cylinder from the factory tuned Audi TT RS."

Audi-Ur-Quattro-concept_Link

LOL, hopefully not...

janus:

LOL, hopefully not...

Hope not, the front has something of a japanese rear-wing...

Geneva 2010: Audi RS5 & updated RS6 V10...

(5 February 2010)

Rumours and spy shots of the Audi RS5 have flooded the web for a couple years now. But with the Geneva Motor Show 2010 coming up the premiere of the Audi RS5 will be a fact. The Audi RS5 will have a 4.2 V8 producing 450hp under the hood, Audi’s 7-speed S-tronic transmission will be standard on the RS5. It’s said that the new RS5 will share some features with it’s big brother; the RS6. These features include Audi’s “Dynamic Ride Control” (DRC) Sports suspension system and the ‘Torsen quattro’, which is a modified version of Audi’s all wheel drive system that can automatically dynamically apportion up to a maximum 100% torque to the rear axle, or up to 80% to the front, dependent on traction conditions. The Audi RS5 should be available at the dealer June / July 2010.

Besides the Audi RS5 release in Geneva we’ve heard about an updated version of the Audi RS6 that includes an increased top speed to 303 km/h and other extras. Most attention at the Geneva Motor Show from gathered international press will however go to the new Audi A1, that should set a new benchmark in the lower segments. Only three and half weeks and we can tell you all the ins and outs about Audi’s new models...

Geneva-2010-Audi-preview_GTspirit-link

Will there be also a RS5 Cab version? I drive a S5 Cab as my winter car and love the car a lot. It is a true GT and very classy looking. But a RS would be tempting, why? Hopefully firmer brakes, more direct steering, more punch, but still with a big understatement. I also observe an emerging trend in the US for driving more "low-key" cars. 

 More and more I going to believe this is the car which never gets ready to sell. Since months we are seeing camouflaged cars.... 

Great to see the first official pictures of the 2010 Audi RS5 on Rennteam...

2010-Audi-RS5_Rennteam-link