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JimFlat6 said:
Its cool that Porsche has developed the 997TT tiptronic to eliminate throttle/turbo lag for takeoff and optimized its shifting by networking with AWD and PASM. It is a huge step beyond a standard 997's Tiptronic! Quicker, faster. More dynamic!
But! I am waiting for Porsches news about their next big advance- networking the 997TT's Tiptronics system directly with the drivers brain! PDMS - Porsche Driver Management System. A simple RFID implant chip like used on pets(!)would provide a data link between car systems and drivers neurological systems!
No only could a Porsche then sense your identity, unlock the doors and start automatically, but once behind the wheel and going down the road, PDMS could also prompt the driver with mild electrical shocks to speed up, slow down, turn here or brake there!
Information about future models could also be downloaded directly to the owners brain!
Bring it on!
Mar 4, 2006 8:38:18 PM
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Rafael from Spain said:
Why do people think if you change fast you trash the clutch.
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ADias said:Quote:
Rafael from Spain said:
Why do people think if you change fast you trash the clutch.
How many miles do you get on a clutch? To wit... my average is in excess of 70,000 miles (miles NOT km).
I challenge you to do power shifts routinely and achieve long clutch life. I have no fun in trashing my cars.
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Crash said:No. Heel-toe is only used for downshifting and you actually reduce the strain on the transmission, by matching the revs.
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ADias said:Quote:
Crash said:No. Heel-toe is only used for downshifting and you actually reduce the strain on the transmission, by matching the revs.
We do know that! The thing is, it works when the shift is perfect, but reality being what it is, in the heat of super fast gear changes, synchros do suffer, gears may grind, clutches do slip. Do not even think that, let's call it "high-performance," gear shifting does not increase wear and tear. Of course it does.
The bottom line is... a manually operated clutch (foot, or hand, in very early motor cars) has been part of ICE engine's transmissions since their start, because there was nothing better. It is indeed a pretty crude mechanism. Dual-clutch transmissions work well because a computer can rev matching perfectly, something you or I will never do every single time, no matter how skilled we are. You may think differently, of course, and that is OK.
This is an emotional issue for many, or even an ego-macho-driven thing, but not for me. I actually drive a manual, but I am unemotional regarding it.
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ADias said:
We do know that! The thing is, it works when the shift is perfect, but reality being what it is, in the heat of super fast gear changes, synchros do suffer, gears may grind, clutches do slip. Do not even think that, let's call it "high-performance," gear shifting does not increase wear and tear. Of course it does.
Mar 5, 2006 10:13:31 AM
Mar 5, 2006 10:46:53 AM
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Crash said:
Unless you're disabled in some way, as a true sports car enthusiast you should drive a stick. Of course an automatic can shift more fluidly, with less stress, but then again, these are SPORTS cars.
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devo said:... I would think that a six speed/ or possibly a seven speed manual will always be available; and in large quantites.
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devo said:... I would think that a six speed/ or possibly a seven speed manual will always be available; and in large quantites.
Seven-speed manual? How often, in spirited driving, do you use the 6th gear or even 5th? And I thought we were discussing sports driving...
Seasoned 911 aficionados do know that the appearance of 6 gears on the 911 was driven by marketing reasons, not performance...
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Branimir said:
YES! I did! Now, did you drive SL55AMG? Well, I did and despite awsome power and torque I was not impressed with autobox... And this AMG autobox is way better then TIP in 997, IMO.
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devo said:... I would think that a six speed/ or possibly a seven speed manual will always be available; and in large quantites.
Seven-speed manual? How often, in spirited driving, do you use the 6th gear or even 5th? And I thought we were discussing sports driving...
Seasoned 911 aficionados do know that the appearance of 6 gears on the 911 was driven by marketing reasons, not performance...
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Hurst said:
Seven Speed Manual is conventionally impossible...
I mean I guess you could do it but the gear shifts would be so awkwardly placed (look around 3rd to get to 2nd, swirl around to 4th etc etc) that any manual driver used to a conventional H pattern will be at a loss...
Mar 6, 2006 10:06:29 AM
Mar 6, 2006 11:36:53 AM
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Rafael from Spain said:
You see, for me sportier is not how fast you can accelerate, or what time you do at the track and how many miliseconds takes the gearchange, for "sportier" I understand how much you have to work with the car and how much it rewards you when you do it right
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RC said:
I'm 41 now, I had my share of excitement in my life. The old saying "no risk, no fun" isn't really valid for me anymore. I learned from mistakes and I started to set priorities. And what I want is actually to be extremely fast at the lowest possible risk. Some people want something else of course and it is understandable.
Mar 6, 2006 3:38:40 PM
Mar 6, 2006 3:54:24 PM
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Rafael from Spain said:
RC, Well I am younger than you and still like the feeling of controling a beast. You are right, the 997TT is not the best car to be talking these things. I have done very few races in my life, and I agree with you, the faster, the easier the better, but on the road (empty twisty road a sunday morning) I am not looking at the speedo, I just want to enjoy myself, and having a stick gives that extra involment I want.
Just one question for you. To understand a little bit more your perspective.
If the 997GT3 (take into account what is a GT3!!) had a TIP option that provided the exact same performance times than a manual, what would be your choice?
Mar 6, 2006 4:58:03 PM
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W8MM said:
I like getting there first much more than being able to tell hair-raising stories about getting there second.
Mar 6, 2006 5:17:44 PM
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Rafael from Spain said:
If the 997GT3 (take into account what is a GT3!!) had a TIP option that provided the exact same performance times than a manual, what would be your choice?