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Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
Avoe:
I'll second that... again.
The M5 is going to be the perfect family car... with the new tranny, no more dsg thanks god... and hopefully a more wideranged suppspension, which will offer a bit comofort aswell. Cant wait!!!!
why do you think no more DKG-DCT on the next M5?
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Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
Goes to show that designers are ultimately employees , not artists . Need I remind you that new BMW design chief Adrian Van Hooydonk, who you see on stage above , was the one who penned the prev 7 and 6 series , with it's flame surfacing ( now copied on just about anything "upscale " ) and the " Bangle Butt" that Bangle was convinced to sign off on.
" Hooydonk Butt" was too hard for the typical spelling impaired internet bench racer , so BB stuck.
So here is his forced " mea culpa " of going back to a safer , more conventional design language and calling it " Charismatic " , probably through gritted teeth as that's is what some marketing dept flack came up with.
Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
I must say that option list is quite impressive! But I also expected to see at least couple of those options in standard equipment.
But the prices! OMG Bmw is really fleecing us on this one! Can't wait to se the US configurator... this is pretty crazy!
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Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
andrea:
Avoe:
I'll second that... again.
The M5 is going to be the perfect family car... with the new tranny, no more dsg thanks god... and hopefully a more wideranged suppspension, which will offer a bit comofort aswell. Cant wait!!!!
why do you think no more DKG-DCT on the next M5?
Sorry I made a mistake, I wanted to say SMG.... which is the most annyoing system for a daily driver and family car.
I am sure they will use DKG, which will be great... I hope at least... since it seems this gear box isnt ready by now... when you look on the X5M and X6M.
Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
Perfect for me!
I had the new 7 last weekend as test car. I really love the 7 as I said it many times before. But - sitting back into my 535d, I was feeling to sit in a race car! So much more "handy" and more direct. After seeing the picture of this new 5 I really know that this will be the car I will wait for. the look is amazing, the new features like Integral Steering (rear wheel steering) will make it the greatest and handiest car ever in this class!
I love it!
Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
The 550i is an interesting offer. For 70000 EUR plus lets say around 10000 EUR in options, meaning 80000 EUR, you get a decent and very sporty/fast limousine.
Taking a look at the Panamera S, it would be more than 30000 EUR more with similar options. Insane. Not even mentioning the fact that the 5 series is a five-seater and not a four-seater like the Panamera.
Right now, the Panamera S looks even worse comparing it to the new BMW 550i.
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Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
Lars997:
Perfect for me!
I had the new 7 last weekend as test car. I really love the 7 as I said it many times before. But - sitting back into my 535d, I was feeling to sit in a race car! So much more "handy" and more direct. After seeing the picture of this new 5 I really know that this will be the car I will wait for. the look is amazing, the new features like Integral Steering (rear wheel steering) will make it the greatest and handiest car ever in this class!
I love it!
Same here 
New 5 series offers almost everything as 7 series, got very similar interior (big step forward compared to E60), and got better driving dynamics than 7 series. Next year when M package will be available (in November) and twin turbo diesel engine (535d / 540d) I will defenetly visit my dealer. New 530d is faster than old 535d (E60). So new 535d/540d wil be very fast
Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
@RC: you are right with your Panamera / 5 Series comparisson. Also, many features are not available at Porsche - active Speedlimit display, death angle radar, active steering control, integral steering, internet, Assist Service, etc etc.
Again - Porsche is with its electronical gadgets miles behind the standard. Most of above features I already had in a 3 series (e90) 5 years ago! It might be ok for sportscars, but in the luxury segment its a must to have those gadgets!
@Shakal: I really wanted to go for the seven, but after seeing this new 5 I will probably wait one more year and order next Autumn a new one with M-Package and all those beloved gadgets. As you say - M-package is coming in November 2010 and this is a must have for my next one. Also, the new 540d, sounds very promising!
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good points guys, but it's just that 10000€ for options for 5series woun't buy you much joy...
I got to 23k, AND I wasn't even touching the fancy new gadgets like dynamic rear wheels 
They should have at least made xenon, metallic and alarm standard... hahaha
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Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
janus:
good points guys, but it's just that 10000€ for options for 5series woun't buy you much joy...
I got to 23k, AND I wasn't even touching the fancy new gadgets like dynamic rear wheels
True. 550i with full options is above 95K € in Germany.
Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
Let me see:
BMW 550i - 70500 EUR
Innovation Package 2950 EUR
Steptronic "Upgrade" 150 EUR
Adaptive Drive 3000 EUR
Integral Active Steering 1750 EUR
Metallic Color 980 EUR
V-Spoke Rims 1600 EUR
Sport Seats 580 EUR
Sport Steering Wheel 140 EUR
Sunroof 1330 EUR
BMW Individual Sun Protection Glas 350 EUR
PDC 810 EUR
Rear View Camera 420 EUR
Surround View 700 EUR
Alarm 480 EUR
Ski bag 100 EUR
BMW Navigation Professional incl. Bluetooth for Cellphone 3800 EUR
Rear Entertainment Professional 2600 EUR
HIFI System Professional 980 EUR
USB Audio 300 EUR
SUM: 93280 EUR.
Yes, indeed, 10000 EUR worth of options wouldn't suffice.
Still: at 93280 EUR, I usually get a 10% rebate at my BMW dealer, meaning that the car costs me around 84000 EUR.
The Panamera S costs 95000 EUR...NAKED.
Substract lets say 5% off the 95000 EUR, you get 90500 EUR. Again: NAKED. NO options.
Add the same options (oops...most 5 series options aren't available for the Panamera) to the Panamera S and you'll easily pass 110000 EUR.
Of course the Panamera should be compared to the 7 series and not the 5 series but since it has 4 seats only... 
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Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
Lars997:
Currently a 14-16% rebate is even realistic, which will bring you down somewhere by 80000!
Dont forget - most gadgets are not even available at Porsche!
Well...I didn't want to exaggerate. 
For slightly over 80000 EUR, almost fully loaded, the 550i seems to be a real bargain.
From a performance point of view, 5.0 seconds from 0-100 kph are great too.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW
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5.0 seconds is as fast as a Carrera 997.1 Convertible. Fair enough!
For me - I 'm waiting for the 540d. Or - even the new hybrid, which for sure is below 5.0 0-100! The machine sounds very promissing the the seven and if it performs the same way in the five.... wow!
Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
Speaking of hybrids: I was thinking about getting the X6 Hybrid instead of the X6 M but looking at the advantage regarding fuel consumption and reading two reviews, I decided against it. Not worth it and performance is also worse because of the additonal 200 kg, despite the 485 HP engine.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW
Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
RC:
Let me see:
BMW 550i - 70500 EUR
Innovation Package 2950 EUR
Steptronic "Upgrade" 150 EUR
Adaptive Drive 3000 EUR
Integral Active Steering 1750 EUR
Metallic Color 980 EUR
V-Spoke Rims 1600 EUR
Sport Seats 580 EUR
Sport Steering Wheel 140 EUR
Sunroof 1330 EUR
BMW Individual Sun Protection Glas 350 EUR
PDC 810 EUR
Rear View Camera 420 EUR
Surround View 700 EUR
Alarm 480 EUR
Ski bag 100 EUR
BMW Navigation Professional incl. Bluetooth for Cellphone 3800 EUR
Rear Entertainment Professional 2600 EUR
HIFI System Professional 980 EUR
USB Audio 300 EUR
SUM: 93280 EUR.
Yes, indeed, 10000 EUR worth of options wouldn't suffice.
Still: at 93280 EUR, I usually get a 10% rebate at my BMW dealer, meaning that the car costs me around 84000 EUR.
The Panamera S costs 95000 EUR...NAKED.
Substract lets say 5% off the 95000 EUR, you get 90500 EUR. Again: NAKED. NO options.
Add the same options (oops...most 5 series options aren't available for the Panamera) to the Panamera S and you'll easily pass 110000 EUR.
Of course the Panamera should be compared to the 7 series and not the 5 series but since it has 4 seats only...
--RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW
Christian,
Very interesting since our local BMW importer will give max. 7% of discount for order of new 550i.
I agree fully with you that 550i looks like bargin in comparison with Panamera S.
Just... I would go personally for Audi S4 Avant or S5 Sportback(both with S Tronic and full options) for even less money.
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RC:
Speaking of hybrids: I was thinking about getting the X6 Hybrid instead of the X6 M but looking at the advantage regarding fuel consumption and reading two reviews, I decided against it. Not worth it and performance is also worse because of the additonal 200 kg, despite the 485 HP engine.
ok - the 200kg extra is a point, I havent seen so far.
Actually I prefer the system out of the 7, which works a bit different as the one in the X6. The 7 uses only a small LiPo Battery, and the electrical engine is used for acceleration only, vs the X6 works more like a full Hybrid.
I have seen the Tests on the X6 that the consumption promissed by BMW was not taken by far. On the 7 Hybrid, I couldnt find a Test yet!
Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
RC:
Let me see:
BMW 550i - 70500 EUR
Innovation Package 2950 EUR
Steptronic "Upgrade" 150 EUR
Adaptive Drive 3000 EUR
Integral Active Steering 1750 EUR
Metallic Color 980 EUR
V-Spoke Rims 1600 EUR
Sport Seats 580 EUR
Sport Steering Wheel 140 EUR
Sunroof 1330 EUR
BMW Individual Sun Protection Glas 350 EUR
PDC 810 EUR
Rear View Camera 420 EUR
Surround View 700 EUR
Alarm 480 EUR
Ski bag 100 EUR
BMW Navigation Professional incl. Bluetooth for Cellphone 3800 EUR
Rear Entertainment Professional 2600 EUR
HIFI System Professional 980 EUR
USB Audio 300 EUR
SUM: 93280 EUR.
Yes, indeed, 10000 EUR worth of options wouldn't suffice.
Still: at 93280 EUR, I usually get a 10% rebate at my BMW dealer, meaning that the car costs me around 84000 EUR.
The Panamera S costs 95000 EUR...NAKED.
Substract lets say 5% off the 95000 EUR, you get 90500 EUR. Again: NAKED. NO options.
Add the same options (oops...most 5 series options aren't available for the Panamera) to the Panamera S and you'll easily pass 110000 EUR.
Of course the Panamera should be compared to the 7 series and not the 5 series but since it has 4 seats only...
--RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW
what about
Innovation Package 2950 EUR ?
Steptronic "Upgrade" 150 EUR ?
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Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
Enmanuel:
RC:
Let me see:
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Surround View 700 EUR
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What the heck is surround view?! so if i don't check this option i'll only get a front windscreen?? The options list is good but there's some stuff that should be standard.
Surround view - you have 3 video cameras, one on every side and one on back of the car.
Here you can see how it works:
Re: BMW F10 5 series official pictures
Shakal:
Enmanuel:
RC:
Let me see:
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Surround View 700 EUR
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What the heck is surround view?! so if i don't check this option i'll only get a front windscreen?? The options list is good but there's some stuff that should be standard.
Surround view - you have 3 video cameras, one on every side and one on back of the car.
Here you can see how it works:
jeje thanks Shakal, i was just kidding btw, you know i love the new 5 
Thanks for the video of the rear view camera. A friend of mine has an X5 with it and I've driven it a few times, IMO the best rear view cam i've ever used is the infiniti ones. i hope the one on the new bmws is better.
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jeje thanks Shakal, i was just kidding btw, you know i love the new 5
Ofcourse, it would be strange if you woudn't know - or someone else here on rennteam 
But a lot of people asking what is surround view. Some passengers are even suprised when they see rear view on display
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