GT:
Turbo S out in only 6 months? Wow.. I would definately wait for that if I was in the market for 997.2tt since I hear they are improvements underway in engine/transmision etc.. 550hp+ is what I hear as well with even more power for the GT2. I think the 458 might be pushing everyone to up their game, which a good thing..
Don't expect too much I would not expect more than 520-530hp in case of the 997TTS. The GT2 Mk2 should have 550hp (not more). But then: these cars are very fast already. And Porsche will need some headroom for the 991 successors
Nov 20, 2009 9:25:39 PM
GT:
Turbo S out in only 6 months? Wow.. I would definately wait for that if I was in the market for 997.2tt since I hear they are improvements underway in engine/transmision etc.. 550hp+ is what I hear as well with even more power for the GT2. I think the 458 might be pushing everyone to up their game, which a good thing..
530 PS as I posted it many times before.
Nov 20, 2009 10:20:12 PM
Nov 21, 2009 4:41:22 AM
Nov 21, 2009 8:35:25 AM
Don't agree that the TT is "dowdy", but do agree it could use a significant design change. The 996/997 general style has been around over 8 years, and IMHO is looking a bit dated.
Objections to the Panamera's exterior styling aside, its interior sets a new standard for Porsche. And just the fact that its exterior styling is fresh and unique makes (again IMHO) the 997 styling appear too simplistic and antiquated. I sat in my dealer showroom for a good length of time recently, waiting for some service on my Cayenne, and the Panamera Turbo there added such a new air of excitement, luxury and modernity.
I also believe Porsche understands that a new standard has been set, and will make some exciting changes to the 997 series. The performance changes certainly indicate that such a new style direction is forthcoming.
Something must be wrong with AZ times. 0-100 are usually OK, but the 0-200 times are way too optimistic. Murcielago SV 9,9 s (elsewhere 10,2-10,7 s), Jaguar XKR 13,3 s (14,9 s), Jag XFR 14,2 (elsewhere 14,7-15,4 s), Focus RS 21,1 s (AB Sportscars: 23,1 s, Sport Auto: 23,2 s), a.s.o...I don't think the other 3 or 4 magazines are "slow".
acrobat:
Sport Auto scans
http://img215.imageshack.us/i/sportautoporsche911turb.jpg/
http://img7.imageshack.us/i/sportautoporsche911turb.jpg/
acrobat:
Sport Auto scans
http://img215.imageshack.us/i/sportautoporsche911turb.jpg/
http://img7.imageshack.us/i/sportautoporsche911turb.jpg/
Thanks you very much... Obviously, Porsche promoted a "Clubsport" package on this car incl. different suspension geometry and rollcage. Unfortunately, no comment about availability or price.
Ferdie:
acrobat:
Sport Auto scans
http://img215.imageshack.us/i/sportautoporsche911turb.jpg/
http://img7.imageshack.us/i/sportautoporsche911turb.jpg/
Thanks you very much... Obviously, Porsche promoted a "Clubsport" package on this car incl. different suspension geometry and rollcage. Unfortunately, no comment about availability or price.
did you tranlsate it from the article?new susp.geometry it's interesting!
KresoF1:
Re-read the article. I have that issue of SA and no word about different suspension setup with CS package. That package is in German price list described as rollcage, good for track usage.
Then please re-read it again.
It´s written in the first paragraph below, as being said ordering the Clubsport package entitles you to receive a different suspension setup with more camber on the rear axle. The pricelist does only refer to the rollcage.
KresoF1:
Re-read the article. I have that issue of SA and no word about different suspension setup with CS package. That package is in German price list described as rollcage, good for track usage.
There are in fact two unclearly-worded mentions of an alternative suspension set-up, once in the box titled "Auf den Punkt gebracht", and again to the left of that box in the main text.
I suspect though, that these are not two alternative settings available form the factory as writer Anja Wassertheurer implies, but that Porsche has an alternative set of recommended settings which dealers or owners can reset the car to if it is to be extensively on the track.
fritz
fritz:
KresoF1:
Re-read the article. I have that issue of SA and no word about different suspension setup with CS package. That package is in German price list described as rollcage, good for track usage.
There are in fact two unclearly-worded mentions of an alternative suspension set-up, once in the box titled "Auf den Punkt gebracht", and again to the left of that box in the main text.
I suspect though, that these are not two alternative settings available form the factory as writer Anja Wassertheurer implies, but that Porsche has an alternative set of recommended settings which dealers or owners can reset the car to if it is to be extensively on the track.
Indeed, since there is no additional explanation in German Price list for 997.2 Turbo.
I will email my P contact to find out further about this option.
fritz:
I suspect though, that these are not two alternative settings available form the factory as writer Anja Wassertheurer implies, but that Porsche has an alternative set of recommended settings which dealers or owners can reset the car to if it is to be extensively on the track.
That might be the case, however I find it odd to see which features have to be included to achieve this respectable performance. If you include the rollcage into the equation, the tested Turbo utilizes performance-related options for 25k Euros (PDK, PTV; PCCB, RS Spyder rims) and yet it needs a different setup.
As mentioned in the article, a more aggressive susp. layout has its drawbacks on ride quality and highspeed stability and should shorten the lifespan of the tires as well. That doesn´t make the car any worse but, in my opinion, it has to be considered.
acrobat:
Something must be wrong with AZ times. 0-100 are usually OK, but the 0-200 times are way too optimistic. Murcielago SV 9,9 s (elsewhere 10,2-10,7 s), Jaguar XKR 13,3 s (14,9 s), Jag XFR 14,2 (elsewhere 14,7-15,4 s), Focus RS 21,1 s (AB Sportscars: 23,1 s, Sport Auto: 23,2 s), a.s.o...I don't think the other 3 or 4 magazines are "slow".
Some AZ test results are really strange. Especially 100-200km/h times as you mentioned. But not all the results. There are also some cars that achieved their worst results in autozeitung.
On the other hand, some AMS results are utter crap, extremely slow. Latest 0-300km/h test, for instance. RS6 Avant etc. Autobild Sportscars results are mostly OK. Now that AB results of 997.2 Turbo are released, it really seems that AZ results with 10,4s 0-200km/h are overly optimistic. Despite some results from Estoril indicated certain possibility.
That might be the case, however I find it odd to see which features have to be included to achieve this respectable performance. If you include the rollcage into the equation, the tested Turbo utilizes performance-related options for 25k Euros (PDK, PTV; PCCB, RS Spyder rims) and yet it needs a different setup.
As mentioned in the article, a more aggressive susp. layout has its drawbacks on ride quality and highspeed stability and should shorten the lifespan of the tires as well. That doesn´t make the car any worse but, in my opinion, it has to be considered.
That's a very good point. The car clearly has stunning engine performance but after adding performance extras worth 25 k Porsche is still not sure enough of the track performance of their new jewel as they have to send a 'tuned' version to the sportauto test. Even more worrysome as that the suspension modifications are not even on their price list...
If any other manufacturer would have sent such a car to a sportauto test, there would have been an outcry!