c4c:
From page 35 of the 2010 Porsche Sport Driving School Brochure
Super Sport
Designed to meet the challenges of motorsport, some vehicles are simply made for the track – these include models like the Porsche Carrera GT and road-legal racecars such as the 911 GT3, GT3 RS, GT2, GT2 RS and GT2 CS. If you own one of these vehicles, this special training course is the one for you.
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1997 993 TT Proto 3.8L 700HP
2005 996 TSCab EVO GT700
2006 Noble M400 "M600" 573RWHP
2007 Audi RS4 MTM exhaust/clutch/LWFW
Oct 30, 2009 10:21:42 AM
I think the reason why PDK wasn't possible with the GT1-derived Mezger engine was to do with difficulties in mating the PDK gearbox with that engine. Plus, moving away from the Mezger engine towards a DFI engine provided significant cost savings for Porsche.
RT Moderator - 997.1 Carrera S GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm/LSD, PSE, short shifter, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen collection
c4c:
From page 35 of the 2010 Porsche Sport Driving School Brochure
Super Sport
Designed to meet the challenges of motorsport, some vehicles are simply made for the track – these include models like the Porsche Carrera GT and road-legal racecars such as the 911 GT3, GT3 RS, GT2, GT2 RS and GT2 CS. If you own one of these vehicles, this special training course is the one for you.
wow,that's a fab confirmation :) now we have to wait the final specs
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Dedi La vita è troppo corta per non guidare italiano.....
Gt2 FL would be easily done,should be smililar to what porsche did to GT3,GT3 RS and Turbo.
Sometime to be expected:
- new rear wing
- new 997 generaltion2 led tail light
- new center lock rims
- new steering wheel
-15~20kg lighter
- 20 hp increase
- optional dynamic engine mount , front lift system,new traction/ launch control system
- New suspension tune
- maybe new color choices
freeman:
Gt2 FL would be easily done,should be smililar to what porsche did to GT3,GT3 RS and Turbo.
Sometime to be expected:
- new rear wing
- new 997 generaltion2 led tail light
- new center lock rims
- new steering wheel
-15~20kg lighter
- 20 hp increase
- optional dynamic engine mount , front lift system,new traction/ launch control system
- New suspension tune
- maybe new color choices
... and ... new tire compostion
Nov 8, 2009 5:01:24 PM
Jan 4, 2010 10:11:50 AM
Ferrari GTO & Porsche’s ‘Widow Maker’ Return
Legendary GTO badge to make comeback on ultimate 599, while Porsche readies extreme RS version of new GT2...
GTO versus GT2. That’s the mouthwatering prospect when, later this year, the most fabled initials in Ferrari history will go head to head with Porsche’s most feared ad revered badge. Both firms are understood to be working on hardcore new models – in Ferrari’s case a very special 599, while Porsche is promising a lightweight RS version of the next generation GT2.
For Ferrari it will be the first time the GTO badge has been used since the 288 GTO went west a quarter of a century ago. During a recent interview with evo, Ferrari CEO Amedeo Felisa remarked that the company had changed the internal classification of its flagship 599 from being a ‘GT’ car to part of the ‘Sports Car’ division, alongside the newly launched 458 Italia. It’s this change that has allowed the development of a more extreme version of the 599, much in the same way that the Scuderia was developed from the standard F430.
The 599 GTO will effectively be a road-going version of the track-only £1million Ferrari 599XX and in terms of dynamics will sit well above the current 599 HGTE. Chiefly by raising the rev-limit of the 599’s Enzo-derived 6-litre V12 to 9000rpm, power has been boosted to a whopping 700bhp – an increase of 89bhp over the standard car.
And with quicker gearchanges (down from 100 milliseconds to around 60), expect the 0-60mph time to tumble from 3.7sec to around 3.2, while top speed (205mph in the 599 HGTE), could rise to an Enzo-rivalling 217mph. Which means that there’s a very real chance the 599 GTO could be Ferrari’s fastest ever road car.
As we understand it, the body has been subtly changed from the standard model to give it a more aggressive look with extended gills on its flanks and a revised nose treatment with extended chin splitter. Inside, bare carbonfibre will be used for many of the major trim panels (including the door skins). Ferrari is promising potential customers a significant reduction in weight, so expect the kerb weight to drop around 100kg to sub-1600kg.
Behind the scenes, Ferrari has been contacting some of its most favoured customers to see if they would be interested in putting their name down for the GTO, details of which the company was hoping to keep secret until it released pictures just before the Geneva motor show in March. The UK is slated to get 50 cars (from a total build of around 800), each priced at around £300,000, with deliveries expected to start as early as May.
Meanwhile a similar model repositioning is also behind the creation of the GT2 RS. Porsche’s head of development, Wolfgang Durheimer, told evo recently that he felt previous generations of the GT2 hadn’t distanced themselves enough from the standard Turbo models and this needed to change. As we understand it, this means the new GT2 has been developed not by the team responsible for the Turbo (as happened with the previous two iterations of the GT2), but has reverted back to Porsche’s Motorsport division under the control of Andreas Preuninger, who was also responsible for the development of Porsche’s latest GT3 and RS models. And if that’s not a statement of future intent for the GT2, we don’t know what is.
As with the 599’s internal repositioning, this has allowed Porsche to consider the new model as a spiritual successor to the original ‘widow maker’, the wide-arched 430bhp 993 GT2 – a car that owed its very existence to motorsport homologation requirements.
Although it will employ twin turbos, the GT2 will not use the Turbo’s brand new direct-injection engine, but the motorsport-derived 3.8-litre, which will still develop somewhere north of 600bhp. In line with previous GT2s, this will be fed to the rear wheels alone, and through a six-speed manual gearbox rather than the PDK transmission. This does mean it’s unlikely to be as quick off the mark as the new Turbo (see evo video), but you can still expect 0-60mph in around 3.5sec and a top end close to 210mph. Not far adrift of the Ferrari in other words...
The fact that the GT2 RS is likely to cost only a little more than half what Ferrari will charge for the GTO shouldn’t distract you from the fact these two could well be close rivals. 2010 has barely started and already it’s looking like a vintage year.
Source: Evo magazine
Jan 4, 2010 11:14:47 AM
. As we understand it, this means the new GT2 has been developed not by the team responsible for the Turbo (as happened with the previous two iterations of the GT2), but has reverted back to Porsche’s Motorsport division under the control of Andreas Preuninger, who was also responsible for the development of Porsche’s latest GT3 and RS models. And if that’s not a statement of future intent for the GT2, we don’t know what is.
WTF are they talking about here ? The 997GT2 was developed by the Motorsport division under Preuninger !!!
2009 997 GT2 659PS/827NM DIN
GT:
The most important piece of news here if I am not mistaken is that they keep developing the GT1 block engine! So it may be that the melzer engine is still alive for a bit longer..?
Don't be too sure about it. We heard worrying rumors, the same we heard over two years ago when I predicted that the 997 Turbo facelift is getting a completely new engine.
We will learn the truth soon...
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (03/2010), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW
GT:
The most important piece of news here if I am not mistaken is that they keep developing the GT1 block engine! So it may be that the melzer engine is still alive for a bit longer..?
This is all matching what RS told me:
That the GT2RS was already signed off (this was summer '09) with Mezger engine.
That engineers were struggling to make the 3.8 DFi reliable for the 997GT2.2 with only 550PS....
2009 997 GT2 659PS/827NM DIN
Jan 4, 2010 12:55:44 PM
Jan 4, 2010 1:12:51 PM
Tuning the 997 Turbo FL doesn't make any sense to me. This car is already stunningly fast from 0-100 kph and even from 0-200 kph, no need for aftermarket stuff, honestly. Of course things may look different if people need a better 0-300 kph performance.
Personally, I would leave the 997 Turbo FL like it is, it is very fast and fun to drive, no need for aftermarket tuning which may not even prove to be reliable.
The 0-100 and 0-200 kph times can barely be improved and I really want to see those dumb owners who pay 15000 EUR for a performance gain of 0.1 second from 0-100 kph or 0.5 seconds from 0-200 kph.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M (03/2010), BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW
RC:
Tuning the 997 Turbo FL doesn't make any sense to me. This car is already stunningly fast from 0-100 kph and even from 0-200 kph, no need for aftermarket stuff, honestly. Of course things may look different if people need a better 0-300 kph performance.
Personally, I would leave the 997 Turbo FL like it is, it is very fast and fun to drive, no need for aftermarket tuning which may not even prove to be reliable.
The 0-100 and 0-200 kph times can barely be improved and I really want to see those dumb owners who pay 15000 EUR for a performance gain of 0.1 second from 0-100 kph or 0.5 seconds from 0-200 kph.
Couldn't have said it better.
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
Techart just have released the tuning of 997.2 TT - chip + exhaust are rated at 580 hp
do you think it is not reliable?
i would like to make a chip +exhaust tuning of a car and if it is not reliable I would prefere to opt for 997.1 Turbo. Such tuning costs 3000-4000 euro at maximum and adds up to 60-80 hp.
artur777:
Techart just have released the tuning of 997.2 TT - chip + exhaust are rated at 580 hp
do you think it is not reliable?
Spoke to TechArt a couple of months ago and they were testing the new engine on the dyno at that time. Development took some time and I assume they know what they are offering.
Considering the recent comments about the new engine, 580 hp might either be the temporary limit or TechArt has found a way around the engine´s critical components (if there is a limit as reported above).
The requirements for a high-volume manufacturer such as Porsche are different than for a tuner (noise, emissions, efficiency, operating conditions) so that might explain some of the found potential. Curious to hear more about it...
artur777:
Techart just have released the tuning of 997.2 TT - chip + exhaust are rated at 580 hp
do you think it is not reliable?
I would say that Techart power numbers when tested for acceleration tend to be slightly higher than Porsche numbers, most recently the 700PS GT Street which was slower than Cargraphic 630PS to 300kph........ I would guess the 580 is more like 550/560 and IS right at the limit for the stock Dfi internals.
2009 997 GT2 659PS/827NM DIN
From 6 bling - labelled as 2012 GT2 - looks like the 2010 RS to me
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/gt3-gt2-gt/208510-2012-gt2-spy-shots.html
2009 997 GT2 659PS/827NM DIN
MKSGR:
Why do you think it could be the "RS" and not the regular GT2 Mk2
P.S.: please note the quotes around RS...
The fact that my dealer was trying to get me to give a deposit for a GT2RS so the rumours are true, it is coming - (very limited numbers for the UK) and this pic shows the wide track from the GT3RS which were also rumoured for the GT2RS.
These pics look like an intentional Porsche leak to me and they haven't leaked any decent RS pics until now so why leap frog the RS and go straight to the GT2.2 - they usually leak the photos to hype the models up
2009 997 GT2 659PS/827NM DIN
TB993tt:
These pics look like an intentional Porsche leak to me and they haven't leaked any decent RS pics until now so why leap frog the RS and go straight to the GT2.2 - they usually leak the photos to hype the models up
You can be sure that any deliberately leaked photos of a premium sportscar would not show it covered in dead flies looking as if it were slowly pootling along a country lane.
fritz
Apr 21, 2010 9:09:28 AM
Today in ams online:
www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/porsche-911-gt2-als-erlkoenig-erwischt-der-letzte-bekommt-das-facelift-1829193.html
With PDK ?