Crown

Board: Ferrari Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

     The 450 will sell for around $250,000 or so. Also, the rumors I am hearing is the Ca. GT is having problems selling. A nicely optioned CA GT is close to $230,000. Shortly there will be arm twisting if someone is interested in getting the 450. It is playing out just as I predicted.

    BTW, Ferrari is really being aggressive in making sure that the 450 will their models sell at MSRP. This time around I believe the dealers will comply. This is really bad news for the Ferrari used car market.

     


    --

     


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

     Will want to see its NBR vs GT2 (both on street tires); and adjust for relative safety engineering to judge value (all these cars heavily depreciate anyway; can easily re-earn money; can't recapture health post-collision injuries)


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    nberry:

     The 450 will sell for around $250,000 or so. Also, the rumors I am hearing is the Ca. GT is having problems selling. A nicely optioned CA GT is close to $230,000. Shortly there will be arm twisting if someone is interested in getting the 450. It is playing out just as I predicted.

    BTW, Ferrari is really being aggressive in making sure that the 450 will their models sell at MSRP. This time around I believe the dealers will comply. This is really bad news for the Ferrari used car market.

     

    How so? Smiley

    Availability of lots of low-priced used Ferraris sounds like a good market to me. Smiley


    --

    fritz


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    nberry:

     The 450 will sell for around $250,000 or so. Also, the rumors I am hearing is the Ca. GT is having problems selling. A nicely optioned CA GT is close to $230,000. Shortly there will be arm twisting if someone is interested in getting the 450. It is playing out just as I predicted.

    BTW, Ferrari is really being aggressive in making sure that the 450 will their models sell at MSRP. This time around I believe the dealers will comply. This is really bad news for the Ferrari used car market.

     

    A nicely optioned 450 has to be close to $280 IMHO... Why would they price it less than the scud? Zero reason.

    Sell at MSRP? Well it's not like this time around they would sell much above anyway. Furthermore the street price of the 450 is irrelevant to the price of the current 430. They will not bounce from where they are.


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

     Fritz, when a new Ferrari's are selling for 50-80,000 over sticker, the used ones will also benefit and be priced higher. The opposite is also true. When new models are selling below or at  MSRP used models will be priced accordingly. So if you are a seller of a used Ferrari, and new models are selling at MSRP or less,  the value of your car will suffer.Smiley

    Regarding the price of the 450, I suppose if a car is well optioned it will get close to $275,000. I suspect if Ferrari choses to substantially increase the price of the car it will definitely need to restrict production.

    BTW, the Scud was a very over priced car. Paying over 300,000 when in a year it will be out performed by another Ferrari for less money will not sit well with Scud owners.

     


    --

     


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    SciFrog:

     The Cali for the wife, the 450 for the husband, the 612 for longer trips! Perfect lineup!

     

    Sounds to me like you're working up a plan there SciFrog Smiley


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    I already passed on a new Cali, for now, maybe if I can snatch a two year old one for 50% less...


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    nberry:

     Fritz, when a new Ferrari's are selling for 50-80,000 over sticker, the used ones will also benefit and be priced higher. The opposite is also true. When new models are selling below or at  MSRP used models will be priced accordingly. So if you are a seller of a used Ferrari, and new models are selling at MSRP or less,  the value of your car will suffer.Smiley

     

    I understand how the market works, Nick. Smiley

    I was just pointing out that the market has two sides: a seller and a buyer. And this situation would be good for the used-Ferrari buyer. Smiley

    You were only considering your own position as a current seller when you complained about the changes discussed being bad for the market. Smiley


    --

    fritz


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

     The old "buy a car and drive it for free" is OVER...


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    SciFrog:

    I already passed on a new Cali, for now, maybe if I can snatch a two year old one for 50% less...

     

    Good plan.

    Based on what I have heard, the CA GT is becoming almost a mandatory purchase if someone wants to be seriously considered for the 450 unless you have had a long term relationship with the dealer. Thus, in a couple of years there will be a many used CA Gt's available for a very good price.


    --

     


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    I'm guessing that the depreciation rates of an F430/F360 are lower than most cars, even when using the original market price (not MSRP) as a reference point.  If true, then Nick has a point, as this allows buyers and sellers in the secondary market to not lose as much on their 'investment'.  Relative low volume and relative high demand may have it's merits.


    --

    2005 997S Blk/Blk


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

     Not true IMHO,

    Early 07 430 spiders were $400k, now below 200. Normal depreciation.

     

    Actually my AMV8 probably has lost less % wise (35%).


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    SciFrog:

     Not true IMHO,

    Early 07 430 spiders were $400k, now below 200. Normal depreciation.

     
     

     

    We should adjust for the current financial climate.


    --

    2005 997S Blk/Blk


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    if you fancy a car and can afford it, buy it. who knows what's tomorrow......

    when i decide on a car i get it.....resale will be taken into consideration when it's time to sell.


    --
    Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    SoCal Alan:
    SciFrog:

     Not true IMHO,

    Early 07 430 spiders were $400k, now below 200. Normal depreciation.

     
     

     

    We should adjust for the current financial climate.

    That's exactly what I am saying. The days of the free car is over...


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    SciFrog:
    SoCal Alan:
    SciFrog:

     Not true IMHO,

    Early 07 430 spiders were $400k, now below 200. Normal depreciation.

     
     

     

    We should adjust for the current financial climate.

    That's exactly what I am saying. The days of the free car is over...


    Agreed.  It will be interesting to see what a normal (more realistic) market will be like for Ferrari in the U.S.


    --

    2005 997S Blk/Blk


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    0-60 time is ok, scuderia did 3,33 on 0-100km/h  on an italian mag and another test was at 3,5


    --
    Dedi La vita è troppo corta per non guidare italiano.....


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    SciFrog:

     Not true IMHO,

    Early 07 430 spiders were $400k, now below 200. Normal depreciation.

     

    Actually my AMV8 probably has lost less % wise (35%).

     

     

    That can certainly be the case for the one or 2 guys that paid $400k for an 07 Spider. Personally I didn't see any 07 Spider's sell for $400k but I don't doubt it could have happened....... "Normal depreciation" that's IF you use the very TOP premium price paid by Mr. money bags paying a huge premium in the after-market. I mean wasn't there a premium the very first AMV8's as well? We wouldn't use that to factor in normal depreciation of an AMV8, maybe there wasn't a premium don't remember, anyway: 

    To compare fairly imo it would be more accurate to use the price people buying cars from dealerships/majority of cars sold - for the new Spider which was MSRP. 

    MSRP "early 07 Spider" = approx/depending on options = $225k

    Then using your : "now below $200k"

    "35%" depreciation would be $145k

    No doubt prices have come way down but still hardly at "normal depreciation" levels for the majority of guys that paid sticker/ not counting the few cars that were sold at $150k + premiums. I mean I wouldn't pay over, how many here paid $150k over for a 430? 

    The depreciation on my 430 doesn't compare to the "normal depreciation" on my 997 Turbo Cab. 

    Dunno if anyone has looked at the Lambo market lately but $65k off NEW is where the market is at for Gallardo's. 430 Spider's at my dealer are still selling at MSRP & that's at the very tail end of production AND w/ the recession.  I haven't seen any other car that does that/still sells around msrp after 4-5 year run & sells in the #'s that the 430 sold.  It's not the 'norm' imho.


    --

    08 PORSCHE Turbo Cabriolet, 06 Ferrari F430,  04 Durango HEMI,  04 Harley Davidson Screamin Eagle,  93 Harley Davidson Nostalgia

     


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    fritz:
    nberry:

     The 450 will sell for around $250,000 or so. Also, the rumors I am hearing is the Ca. GT is having problems selling. A nicely optioned CA GT is close to $230,000. Shortly there will be arm twisting if someone is interested in getting the 450. It is playing out just as I predicted.

    BTW, Ferrari is really being aggressive in making sure that the 450 will their models sell at MSRP. This time around I believe the dealers will comply. This is really bad news for the Ferrari used car market.

     

    How so? Smiley

    Availability of lots of low-priced used Ferraris sounds like a good market to me. Smiley


     

    Not if a big portion of your net worth is your used Ferrari. Smiley

     


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    DavidSF:
    fritz:
    nberry:

     The 450 will sell for around $250,000 or so. Also, the rumors I am hearing is the Ca. GT is having problems selling. A nicely optioned CA GT is close to $230,000. Shortly there will be arm twisting if someone is interested in getting the 450. It is playing out just as I predicted.

    BTW, Ferrari is really being aggressive in making sure that the 450 will their models sell at MSRP. This time around I believe the dealers will comply. This is really bad news for the Ferrari used car market.

     

    How so? Smiley

    Availability of lots of low-priced used Ferraris sounds like a good market to me. Smiley


     

    Not if a big portion of your net worth is your used Ferrari. Smiley

     

    Now that sounds like a real die hard Ferrari enthusiast.

     

     


    --

    08 PORSCHE Turbo Cabriolet, 06 Ferrari F430,  04 Durango HEMI,  04 Harley Davidson Screamin Eagle,  93 Harley Davidson Nostalgia

     


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    Anybody know if a manual transmission will be offered?


    --

    2005 997S Blk/Blk


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    SoCal Alan:

    Anybody know if a manual transmission will be offered?


    Manual is available in the California, right? Smiley

    So I guess you still can order it for the new midengined model. Perhaps we will see the same strategy as with the California: first the car with F1/DCT and later on the manual transmission (if there will be some demand).


    --

    The secret of life is to admire without desiring.


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    SoCal Alan:

    Anybody know if a manual transmission will be offered?

     

    Alan,

    Are you thinking about getting one?

     


    --

    08 PORSCHE Turbo Cabriolet, 06 Ferrari F430,  04 Durango HEMI,  04 Harley Davidson Screamin Eagle,  93 Harley Davidson Nostalgia

     


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    STRADALE:
    SoCal Alan:

    Anybody know if a manual transmission will be offered?

     

    Alan,

    Are you thinking about getting one?

     

     

    After I build my house, I'm open to considering either a used F430 or a new GT3.

    However, if the F450 is as good as Nick claims it's going to be, I might consider selling my wife to get one. Smiley

    I was interested in knowing because right now, there are so few manuals compared to the F1 that I would not have been too surprised if they just phased it out.


    --

    2005 997S Blk/Blk


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

     Alan i was not impressed with the CA GT transmission. it was too smooth. Almost automatic like even though you're using the paddles. However, it certainly would not be a deal breaker for me.


    --

     


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    Do you guys think there will be a long waiting list like for the F430?  Because in this economy, even the Scuderias are sitting on showrooms unsold.  There are two at Newport Ferrari.


    --

    2005 997S Blk/Blk


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    SoCal Alan:

    Do you guys think there will be a long waiting list like for the F430?  Because in this economy, even the Scuderias are sitting on showrooms unsold.  There are two at Newport Ferrari.

     

    Alan my dealer has told me the demand is great. They have calls every day to get on the "list". Once the car is shown in September, the demand will even be greater. 

    That said, he did acknowledge cars are slow to move out of his showroom. The ones that are sold are the less expensive ones i.e. 360's.


    --

     


    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    nberry:
    SoCal Alan:

    Do you guys think there will be a long waiting list like for the F430?  Because in this economy, even the Scuderias are sitting on showrooms unsold.  There are two at Newport Ferrari.

     

    Alan my dealer has told me the demand is great. They have calls every day to get on the "list". Once the car is shown in September, the demand will even be greater. 

    That said, he did acknowledge cars are slow to move out of his showroom. The ones that are sold are the less expensive ones i.e. 360's.

    it could also be that people are not eager to spend so much money in a car that is soon to get replaced, maybe on a better economy people wouldn't be so skeptical but right now they are.


     
    Edit

    Forum

    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II) 5/15/24 8:44 AM
    art.italy
    812189 1808
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 4/7/24 11:48 AM
    Boxster Coupe GTS
    452718 565
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Porsche 911 (992) GT3 RS - 2022 3/12/24 8:28 AM
    DJM48
    272789 323
    Porsche Sticky The new Macan: the first all-electric SUV from Porsche 1/30/24 9:18 AM
    RCA
    91932 45
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Taycan 2024 Facelift 3/15/24 1:23 PM
    CGX car nut
    8568 50
    Porsche The moment I've been waiting for... 2/1/24 7:01 PM
    Pilot
     
     
     
     
     
    890880 1364
    Porsche 992 GT3 7/23/23 7:01 PM
    Grant
    848892 3868
    Porsche GT4RS 4/21/24 11:50 AM
    mcdelaug
    404452 1454
    Porsche Welcome to the new Taycan Forum! 2/10/24 4:43 PM
    nberry
    401034 1526
    Others Tesla 2 the new thread 12/13/23 2:48 PM
    CGX car nut
    388555 2401
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 7/3/23 12:30 PM
    Porker
    372876 797
    Porsche Red Nipples 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour 5/12/24 6:23 PM
    blueflame
    295278 669
    Porsche Collected my 997 GTS today 10/19/23 7:06 PM
    CGX car nut
     
     
     
     
     
    269728 812
    Lambo Huracán EVO STO 7/30/23 6:59 PM
    mcdelaug
    245412 346
    Lotus Lotus Emira 6/25/23 2:53 PM
    Enmanuel
    239682 101
    Others Corvette C8 10/16/23 3:24 PM
    Enmanuel
    223845 488
    Others Gordon Murray - T.50 11/22/23 10:27 AM
    mcdelaug
    174367 387
    Porsche Back to basics - 996 GT3 RS 6/11/23 5:13 PM
    CGX car nut
    146007 144
    BMW M 2024 BMW M3 CS Official Now 12/29/23 9:04 AM
    RCA
    122687 303
    Motor Sp. 2023 Formula One 12/19/23 5:38 AM
    WhoopsyM
    114768 685
    Porsche 2022 992 Safari Model 3/7/24 4:22 PM
    WhoopsyM
    86937 239
    AMG Mercedes-Benz W124 500E aka Porsche typ 2758 2/23/24 10:03 PM
    blueflame
    77225 297
    Porsche 992 GT3 RS 3/3/24 7:22 PM
    WhoopsyM
    56355 314
    Motor Sp. Porsche 963 5/18/24 9:44 PM
    Wonderbar
    28105 249
    Ferrari Ferrari 296 GTB (830PS, Hybrid V6) 1/21/24 4:29 PM
    GT-Boy
    22736 103
    BMW M 2022 BMW M5 CS 4/8/24 1:43 PM
    Ferdie
    21518 140
    AMG G63 sold out 9/15/23 7:38 PM
    Nico997
    17949 120
    AMG [2022] Mercedes-AMG SL 4/23/24 1:24 PM
    RCA
    15995 225
    Porsche Porsche Mission X Hypercar 12/3/23 8:52 AM
    996FourEss
    11860 63
    Porsche 911 S/T 10/10/23 8:53 AM
    RCA
    11168 55
    115 items found, displaying 1 to 30.