Rennteam 2.0 - EN - Forum - Re: Blown Engine - Page2

Apr 27, 2009 4:55:53 PM

911Fanatic: Co-Pilot; Loc: Alpharetta, Georgia; Posts: 176, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 26, 2005

Blown Engine

Well guys....after 4 years and 31K my 05 Carrera S engine has self destructed.

I took it to dealer this past weekend after I noticed a very slight random knocking noise coming from the engine. You could only hear the noise at idle or when listening very close to the engine bay. The dealer now states the knocking noise has become very noticeable and has indicated a complete motor replacement (99%) or rebuild is very likely.

I bought an extended warranty which should cover the repairs, but I'm a little disheartened that this has happened so soon....I realize sh*t happens.

Anyway, any advice dealing with this situation would be useful. I'll provide an update once I know more. Thanks in advance for everyone's time.

--
2005 Black 997 Carrera S

Next
Threads

Apr 27, 2009 5:31:50 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: 911Fanatic

Re: Blown Engine

Sorry to hear that. As long as the extended warranty pays for the repair, I wouldn't worry too much. I'm also pretty sure that your dealer tries to get some money from Porsche first, you never know. The "rebuilt" engines are as good as new, I wouldn't worry too much.

Just make sure the work is done by a professional who knows what he's doing.

--

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

Next
Threads

Apr 27, 2009 5:41:02 PM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: Blown Engine

yup, as rc stated. if it's done at your OPC your car will be back as new....

try for them not to get into your pockets. 32k miles/km is nothing.......

--
Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

Next
Threads

Apr 27, 2009 6:06:01 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: intouch1

Re: Blown Engine

Since there is an extended warranty, the owner wouldn't pay. I presume it is Intermediate Shaft Failure, a known problem with these engines. I know of at least one case on a 996 that Porsche replaced the engine FOC after 3 1/2 years.

On the new DFI engines there is no Intermediate Shaft, which says a lot!

--
It's not where you're going, it's how you get there that counts

Next
Threads

Apr 27, 2009 6:40:31 PM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: reginos

Re: Blown Engine

that's what i heard as well. porsche are very generous when it comes to engine failure.....after all it's the heart and soul. and they'd rather throw in a free engine than possibly face bad press.

--
Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

Next
Threads

Apr 27, 2009 7:05:43 PM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: intouch1

Re: Blown Engine

Sorry to hear this. I'm glad you have an extended warranty so no financial pain. But it isn't a nice thing to happen when you spend so much on a car. Unfortunately, you will need to go through engine break-in again

--

Rennteam Moderator - 997S GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm/LSD, PSE, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen collection

Next
Threads

Apr 27, 2009 9:27:23 PM

beltar: Veteran; Loc: belgium , Belgium; Posts: 1232, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 15, 2005; Reply to: easy_rider911

Re: Blown Engine

Talked last weekend to a person who's had an engine breakdown too. At 156.000km.

He had to pay for himself altough porsche stated that the engine didn't overrev or showed any signs of misuse. Smiley

--

ex 965 3.3turbo/ ex 993 targa / ex 996 cab /

now 997S cabrio // Audi A5 S-line 3.0tdi Quattro

Next
Threads

Apr 28, 2009 5:18:33 AM

xandi911: Senior; Loc: brasil; Posts: 688, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 14, 2006; Reply to: beltar

Re: Blown Engine

cmon tell us the truth!

what the h3LL you did to broke an engine with only 32 k miles!!

overreved? very very rare.

Next
Threads

Apr 28, 2009 1:32:10 PM

911Fanatic: Co-Pilot; Loc: Alpharetta, Georgia; Posts: 176, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 26, 2005; Reply to: xandi911

Re: Blown Engine

xandi911, I have never tracked or abused the car outside of normal spirited driving. This purchase is a one shot deal for me...meaning I am planning to keep the car for an extended period of time. I was trying to maintain very good care.....unfortunately something broke and I hope to find out the cause in the next day or two. Engine diagnostics showed no overrevs or anything abnormal. Google certianly shows numerous hits on Intermediate Shaft Failures for engines of this type and mileage.

--
2005 Black 997 Carrera S

Next
Threads

Apr 29, 2009 5:32:54 AM

xandi911: Senior; Loc: brasil; Posts: 688, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 14, 2006; Reply to: 911Fanatic

Re: Blown Engine

911Fanatic:

xandi911, I have never tracked or abused the car outside of normal spirited driving. This purchase is a one shot deal for me...meaning I am planning to keep the car for an extended period of time. I was trying to maintain very good care.....unfortunately something broke and I hope to find out the cause in the next day or two. Engine diagnostics showed no overrevs or anything abnormal. Google certianly shows numerous hits on Intermediate Shaft Failures for engines of this type and mileage.

ok i believe in you!

but i had a CS and its engine seems to be like a stone! there are another historics like this??

Next
Threads

May 1, 2009 8:38:07 PM

911Fanatic: Co-Pilot; Loc: Alpharetta, Georgia; Posts: 176, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 26, 2005; Reply to: xandi911

Re: Blown Engine

All,

I received an update from the dealership today.....the engine failure was due to an Intermediate Shaft Bearing failure. Three (3) bearings fell into the motor causing the random knocking noise and metal shavings to be throughout. It appears a complete engine replacement is in order....hopefully one with the newer core (2005+) and updated design that resolves all these issues.

See the attached link for additional details regarding this issue: http://www.lnengineering.com/ims.html

It will be interesting to see how the warranty company (Fidelity) works through this claim.

--
2005 Black 997 Carrera S

Next
Threads

May 1, 2009 8:47:11 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: 911Fanatic

Re: Blown Engine

Yes, as predicted IS was the culprit. Smiley

Good luck with the warranty claim.

--
It's not where you're going, it's how you get there that counts

Next
Threads

May 2, 2009 2:29:37 PM

911Fanatic: Co-Pilot; Loc: Alpharetta, Georgia; Posts: 176, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 26, 2005; Reply to: reginos

Re: Blown Engine

a sad site Smiley

--
2005 Black 997 Carrera S

Next
Threads

May 2, 2009 2:32:49 PM

911Fanatic: Co-Pilot; Loc: Alpharetta, Georgia; Posts: 176, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 26, 2005; Reply to: 911Fanatic

Re: Blown Engine

--
2005 Black 997 Carrera S

Next
Threads

May 2, 2009 2:35:35 PM

911Fanatic: Co-Pilot; Loc: Alpharetta, Georgia; Posts: 176, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 26, 2005; Reply to: 911Fanatic

Re: Blown Engine

the culprit Smiley

--
2005 Black 997 Carrera S

Next
Threads

May 2, 2009 2:41:31 PM

911Fanatic: Co-Pilot; Loc: Alpharetta, Georgia; Posts: 176, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 26, 2005; Reply to: 911Fanatic

Re: Blown Engine

--
2005 Black 997 Carrera S

Next
Threads

May 3, 2009 12:50:52 AM

Gladstone: Expert; Loc: Kansas City, MO , United States; Posts: 1813, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 27, 2008; Reply to: 911Fanatic

Re: Blown Engine

911Famatic, sorry to hear of the reliability issues, but I love the engine pics!

Next
Threads

May 3, 2009 7:16:05 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14173, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Gladstone

Re: Blown Engine

Love the pics too. Real life stuff !! Hope alll will be like new , soon

--
997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm

Next
Threads

May 3, 2009 9:05:42 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Blown Engine

These exchange engines are not brand new, are they?

I think they are remanufctured using any upgraded parts that might have come out since. I am not 100% sure though.

--
It's not where you're going, it's how you get there that counts

Next
Threads

May 3, 2009 6:09:03 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21152, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: reginos

Re: Blown Engine

yes, replacement engines are "rebuilt" engines but with the same design as the original.

--

Next
Threads

May 3, 2009 7:58:33 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Blown Engine

Carlos from Spain:

yes, replacement engines are "rebuilt" engines but with the same design as the original.

Thanks!

--
It's not where you're going, it's how you get there that counts

Next
Threads

May 4, 2009 2:34:05 PM

stubenhocker: Pilot; Loc: PDX USA; Posts: 476, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 13, 2005; Reply to: reginos

Re: Blown Engine

Thanks for the interesting pics!

Is there any difference in the frequency of I/S problems on 3.8 vs 3.6 engines?

Next
Threads

May 4, 2009 3:10:03 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: stubenhocker

Re: Blown Engine

Not really, the design of original 986 to 997.1 engines is the same.

Except of course the GT3/GT2/Turbothat have a totally different engine.

997.2 and 987.2 (except 2.9) engines don't have a I/S.

--
It's not where you're going, it's how you get there that counts

Next
Threads

May 4, 2009 3:56:36 PM

911Fanatic: Co-Pilot; Loc: Alpharetta, Georgia; Posts: 176, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 26, 2005; Reply to: reginos

Re: Blown Engine

My dealer stated that Porsche redesiged the IMS bearing and hub flange in 2006 engines to help with IMS reliability issues. This is a key point that I will be investigating as I move forward. I don't want to be faced with a similiar issue when I hit 30K again!

--
2005 Black 997 Carrera S

Next
Threads

May 4, 2009 7:31:43 PM

911Fanatic: Co-Pilot; Loc: Alpharetta, Georgia; Posts: 176, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 26, 2005; Reply to: 911Fanatic

Re: Blown Engine

Just found out from dealer that my engine will be replaced free of charge less my deductible ($100). Smiley Should have my car back by Friday of this week. I'll take some pictures of new motor for those that are interested and post later this week. Dealer also confirmed that IMS bearing and IMS hub flange will be of new design, I'll inspect evidence to make sure. Existing air conditioner, power steering and alternater will be transferred, everything else will be new/refurbished.

--
2005 Black 997 Carrera S

Next
Threads

May 4, 2009 7:59:08 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: 911Fanatic

Re: Blown Engine

911Fanatic:

Just found out from dealer that my engine will be replaced free of charge less my deductible ($100). Should have my car back by Friday of this week. I'll take some pictures of new motor for those that are interested and post later this week. Dealer also confirmed that IMS bearing and IMS hub flange will be of new design, I'll inspect evidence to make sure. Existing air conditioner, power steering and alternater will be transferred, everything else will be new/refurbished.

All's well that ends well. Smiley

--

fritz

Next
Threads

May 4, 2009 8:12:21 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21152, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: fritz

Re: Blown Engine

great news

--

Next
Threads

May 9, 2009 1:01:52 PM

911Fanatic: Co-Pilot; Loc: Alpharetta, Georgia; Posts: 176, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 26, 2005; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Blown Engine

My new engine finally arrived. Smiley The only item transferred from old motor to new was the A/C, everything else is either new or refurbished.

--
2005 Black 997 Carrera S

Next
Threads

May 9, 2009 1:23:12 PM

911Fanatic: Co-Pilot; Loc: Alpharetta, Georgia; Posts: 176, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 26, 2005; Reply to: 911Fanatic

Re: Blown Engine

I also confirmed that the Intermediate Shaft Bearing was redesigned. The bolt/stud is much bigger than what was in the original motor (see example on the right). The new bearing is also a double row bearing vs. single row.

--
2005 Black 997 Carrera S

Next
Threads

May 9, 2009 1:26:04 PM

911Fanatic: Co-Pilot; Loc: Alpharetta, Georgia; Posts: 176, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 26, 2005; Reply to: 911Fanatic

Re: Blown Engine

Picture of failed single row bearing....

--
2005 Black 997 Carrera S

Top
Threads

Board	Subject	Last post	Views	Replies
Porsche	SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II)	4/17/24 7:16 AM Gnil	778761	1798
Porsche	Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos)	4/7/24 11:48 AM Boxster Coupe GTS	442165	565
Porsche	OFFICIAL: Cayman GT4 RS (2021)	5/12/23 12:11 PM W8MM	263035	288
Porsche	OFFICIAL: Porsche 911 (992) GT3 RS - 2022	3/12/24 8:28 AM DJM48	261321	323
Porsche	The new Macan: the first all-electric SUV from Porsche	1/30/24 9:18 AM RC	85558	45
Porsche	OFFICIAL: Taycan 2024 Facelift	3/15/24 1:23 PM CGX car nut	5773	50
Porsche	The moment I've been waiting for...	2/1/24 7:01 PM Pilot	881001	1364
Porsche	992 GT3	7/23/23 7:01 PM Grant	817088	3868
Porsche	Welcome to the new Taycan Forum!	2/10/24 4:43 PM nberry	391338	1526
Porsche	GT4RS	4/21/24 11:50 AM mcdelaug	390808	1454
Others	Tesla 2 the new thread	12/13/23 2:48 PM CGX car nut	373078	2401
Porsche	Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design	7/3/23 12:30 PM Porker	369170	797
Porsche	Red Nipples 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour	4/11/24 12:32 PM Ferdie	289502	668
Porsche	Collected my 997 GTS today	10/19/23 7:06 PM CGX car nut	261569	812
Lambo	Huracán EVO STO	7/30/23 6:59 PM mcdelaug	240433	346
Lotus	Lotus Emira	6/25/23 2:53 PM Enmanuel	230858	101
Others	Corvette C8	10/16/23 3:24 PM Enmanuel	221385	488
Others	Gordon Murray - T.50	11/22/23 10:27 AM mcdelaug	169559	387
Porsche	Back to basics - 996 GT3 RS	6/11/23 5:13 PM CGX car nut	141311	144
BMW M	2024 BMW M3 CS Official Now	12/29/23 9:04 AM RC	117822	303
Motor Sp.	2023 Formula One	12/19/23 5:38 AM Whoopsy	108839	685
Porsche	2022 992 Safari Model	3/7/24 4:22 PM Whoopsy	84362	239
AMG	Mercedes-Benz W124 500E aka Porsche typ 2758	2/23/24 10:03 PM blueflame	75225	297
Porsche	992 GT3 RS	3/3/24 7:22 PM Whoopsy	53909	314
Motor Sp.	Porsche 963	3/16/24 9:27 PM Whoopsy	25254	237
Ferrari	Ferrari 296 GTB (830PS, Hybrid V6)	1/21/24 4:29 PM GT-Boy	21190	103
BMW M	2022 BMW M5 CS	4/8/24 1:43 PM Ferdie	19536	140
AMG	G63 sold out	9/15/23 7:38 PM Nico997	16600	120
AMG	[2022] Mercedes-AMG SL	4/23/24 1:24 PM RC	13841	225
Motor Sp.	24-Hour race Nürburgring 2018	5/25/23 10:42 PM Grant	11272	55

Crown

Forum - Thread

Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Re: Blown Engine

Forum

Boards