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    Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Things are getting more and more interesting. How can this happen: 

    www.worldcarfans.com/9090225.016/nissan-gt-r-specv-first-independent-tsukuba-circuit-laptimes-reported

     

    I really look forward to the independant test of the GTR by SportAuto... 


    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Nissan have probably put in a real 480bhp engine this time so that the gearbox lasts longer than a few months...
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    That is indeed a possible explanation Smiley Smiley


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    makes sense. it would be really bad for nissan if even more cars start falling apart.

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    ....Awaits press release from Nissan inviting the driver to join them for a driver education course, a la what they sent to Porsche. 

    I've never seen a car with so much controversy behind it. 


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    After the previous scandals about alleged lap times, I'm I to naive to think that maybe NIssan have maybe learnt their lesson and are playing it more realistic with the V-SPEC? Smiley

    Either that or Best Motoring is bias against Nissan Smiley


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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEhxmzIZ22I


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    gangajas:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEhxmzIZ22I

    Smiley NIssan, they just never learn...


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    Carlos from Spain:

    Either that or Best Motoring is bias against Nissan Smiley


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    how can that be?  isn't it an undisputed fact that Best Motoring is always biased against non-Japanese cars, and always makes the Japanese cars appear better than they are? Smiley

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    http://www.drivers-republic.com/first_look/news/details.cfm?articleid=f152c6f08af24eacba622c0440087caa Chris Harris interview on Spec-V at Geneva On another topic, Suzuki will do a new NBR time attack in mid April. He expects to reduce the lap time to about 7.25 in a standard Euro spec GTR. Hopefully with full independent verification. But even if this time is verfied, the GTR as it is still too heavy for extended track use. The new GT3 is IMO the best track and comfortable road car of the near future.
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    Suzuki says that the current target of SpecV is 7:20.

     


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    this guy needed some Suzuki skills

     oops

     


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    marketing manager said in this video by DR "..upgrated ones from fxx..." about the brakes...i've read somewhere $48k option...

    At the cost of $48K for the rotors alone. $48K is the Nissan MSRP on JUST the rotors!! Doesn't include the pads

    http://www.drivers-republic.com/first_look/news/details.cfm?articleid=f152c6f08af24eacba622c0440087caa


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    eclou:

    this guy needed some Suzuki skills

    oops


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            It was obvious that he was going to crash. You can see signs of this in the video.  Poor fella, probably thought the car would drive itself.....


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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Agree with Querem.  The guy obviously doesn't know the road like the EVO driver and doesn't seem to have a good grasp of driving technique either! 


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    WAY:

    Agree with Querem.  The guy obviously doesn't know the road like the EVO driver and doesn't seem to have a good grasp of driving technique either! 


            Shouldn't have been doing high speed crap like that at night either. It's a recipe for disaster and he's lucky that nobody got killed.


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    JoeRockhead:
    WAY:

    Agree with Querem. The guy obviously doesn't know the road like the EVO driver and doesn't seem to have a good grasp of driving technique either!


    Shouldn't have been doing high speed crap like that at night either. It's a recipe for disaster and he's lucky that nobody got killed.


    unbelievable how dumb some people areSmiley

    Although it seems to be an empty farm road or something, why would you take risks like this at night.  


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    Completely agree, man is the only animal that trips on the same stone twice, or in this case three times Smiley

    1:12 -> goes into understeer at the corner, first hint he is over his head, but keeps going

    1:49 -> again understeer even more than the first time that causes him to fall back but instead of letting off, he even tries to catch up to the EVO

    2:01 -> sure enough, he now goes really wide and runs of the road... Smiley

    Good thing he didn't hit anyone.


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    Carlos from Spain:

    Completely agree, man is the only animal that trips on the same stone twice, or in this case three times Smiley

    1:12 -> goes into understeer at the corner, first hint he is over his head, but keeps going

    1:49 -> again understeer even more than the first time that causes him to fall back but instead of letting off, he even tries to catch up to the EVO

    2:01 -> sure enough, he now goes really wide and runs of the road... Smiley

    Good thing he didn't hit anyone.


    Let's hope that this driver is not characteristic for the "standard" GTR buyer. Risk could be that many GTR buyers who do an upgrade from a more usual car are not capable of using this car properly  Smiley 


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    http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?s=e2f6bd7bc4cf666f1aaba3c929e5c1e4&showtopic=29291

    It is always interesting to read different opinions. And there are plenty of pithy ones in this GTR Ring-Time-Rehash on NAGTROG.  


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    Why do I have to think of the above video when looking at the posts in this GTR forum Smiley

    There are different people with very different experiences and different capabilities... Such is live.

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    " Ride along with Tony Quinn and Naomi Tillet in their R35 GT-R through the Mt. Roland stage of the Rally Tasmania tarmac rally, which they won, beating Jim Richards in his 997 GT2 by 15 seconds.


    Keep in mind their car is essentially in showroom condition, stock suspension and tires (that's right, runflats), stock motor and boost, with the only mods being a rather loud zorst and the mandatory roll cage. Also keep in mind this car weighs a staggering 1750kg.

    The car didnt's skip a beat through the entire event and they are going to enter the same car in the annual Targa Tasmania which is coming up in April."

     

    TILLETT/QUINN Nissan GTR Mt Roland 2 Rally Tasmania Winners



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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    When will SA test the GTR ? 
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjogD4vStjw

     

    This link works 


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    BiTurbo:
    When will SA test the GTR ? 

            Probably after this. 

     

    And So it Begins: Nissan's Chief Test Driver Confirms GT-R 'Ring Attack in April



    Nate_Martinez
    Posted March 9 2009 11:50 AM by Nate Martinez  
    Category: We HearEuropeNissan

    Ladies and gentlemen, let the latest battle for the unofficial "King of the 'Ring" title begin. 

    Nissan's chief test driver -- and ex-F1 ace -- Toshio Suzuki confirmed during a recent interview with GTRBlog that the automaker will indeed bring an updated MY2010 (MY2009 in Japanese spec) GT-R to Germany's Nurburgring in an effort to put to rest any lingering doubts about the car's capabilities. 

    Testing will go down sometime next month after the region's rainy season. Both a standard GT-R and GT-R SpecV will be driven on the 12.9-mile circuit used extensively by automakers during the development of new models. 

    The MY2009 Godzillas slated for testing will employ a slightly more powerful engine, stickier Dunlop rubber and reworked suspension calibration already implemented in the current production series. SpecV variants are made lighter in build through the liberal use of carbon fiber and receive a boost control button and ceramic brakes for added performance.

    In regards to what kinds of times Suzuki-san and his test team are expecting from the latest GT-R on the 'Green Hell', the veteran test driver stated that "the difference could be (in the) 4 - 5 second" range -- meaning as low as 7min/24sec. 

    In speaking about the more track-focused SpecV variant, Suzuki noted, "Well, the SpecV is lighter, has more power, better braking. It will set a faster time (than the standard GT-R)."

    For the record, last spring Suzuki-san achieved a laptime of 7min/29sec while behind the wheel of a production specification GT-R. It was later bested by the 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (7min/26.4sec) and 2008 Dodge Viper ACR (7min/22sec). 

    Porsche, with its competing 911 Turbo and 911 GT2, publicly doubted the GT-R's ability to run with the top exotics on the 'Ring and bought and tested its own U.S-spec GT-R on the circuit. With its accomplished testers piloting the Japanese supercar, they managed a lackluster time of7min/54sec, well behind the times of 7min/38sec for the 911 Turbo and 7min/34sec for the 911 GT2.

    Expect more information to trickle out from Europe and Japan as the Nurburgring drama continues to unfurl.

    Source: GTRBlog

     


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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    Nissan has lost a lot of credibility.  The Fact that no one has been able to repeat their claim is what is telling.  No one has even come close, actually the opposite is true.

    Yet AUM soldiers on...


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    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    thuggy:

    Nissan has lost a lot of credibility. The Fact that no one has been able to repeat their claim is what is telling. No one has even come close, actually the opposite is true.

    Yet AUM soldiers on...

    Have you read the Driver's Republic test where the GT-R was only 7 seconds slower than the GT2?

    7 seconds sounds like a lot but when you consider that that particular car was not a press car and that it nearly lost to a Carrera S in a drag race (maybe the ECU wasn't setup properly for 98 octan gas) and that it wasn't on the fastest tires available and that the tires it had were runflats and that it has a real boot and rear seats and heated seats and a proper stereo and that it costs 100'000 euros less than the GT2, it really shows what kind of car Nissan has build. Oh and btw it has less power and is 300kg heavier.

    I'm very sure it would be just as fast as the GT2 if it had the right tires and if the engine was runing as it should. It wouldn't be the first time. But of course it's just a guess.

    Nissan already anounced when they will be at the Nurburgring. Maybe some people should go there and see for themselves. I think it's April 9th.


    Re: Nissan V-Spec slower than standard GTR...

    thuggy:

    Nissan has lost a lot of credibility.  The Fact that no one has been able to repeat their claim is what is telling.  No one has even come close, actually the opposite is true.

    Yet AUM soldiers on...

    With their recent campaign Nissan just tries to find some dumbos who they can still cheat on after the recent independant test results. Obviously, that excludes those car nuts who have a bit of judgement and experience in the sportscar world. It will be just some more weeks until SportAuto will put an end to some dreams of GTR fans... 

     

     

     

     


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    Like al true sports car enthusiasts, I am always for better and faster cars. And I am fascinated by the performance of the GTR. But after driving it on the track I would never buy one, even if the Nissan claims where verified. It is too big and heavy for my taste.

     It would be very interesting to see Sport Auto monitor and verify Suzuki's new time attack in April. Then see how close HvS could get to that time on the same day in the same car. The same with Walter in a 997 Turbo followed by HvS same day same car.

     A race driver with unlimited time and full factory support is certain to be faster than a magazine tester who has a few hours in a unfamiliar car. 

    Any bets on the time differences same day same car? 


     


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