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Feb 8, 2009 9:13:09 PM

juandelpueblo: Newbie; Loc: NY, NY; Posts: 23, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005

PCCB - 10,000 Miles

I need some help in trying to determine if the service/parts department at my local dealer (a) is trying to sell me a rear set of PCCB discs to make a quick profit and if not (b) what the proper part number is for the rear carbon rear discs? My car is a MY’07 with exactly 10,000 miles and two years old.

Supposedly there is less than 1mm left in the rear carbon discs and they need to be replaced immediately. The car has handled plenty spirited driving days Smiley

but I am a bit shocked that the discs need to be replaced so quickly.

If the answer is yes these need to be replaced, what is the proper part number. Is is the same part for a regular 997 with ceramics? I was under the impression that the Turbo had a different PCCB system. The replacement part I was shown at the parts department as a proper replacement had different sized Porsche decals as the one existing on the car right now. It did not look right to me (but I am no expert).

Thanks in advance for your help and advice on this matter… I need it before taking the plunge and spending big bucks to replace them (as suggested by the dealer).

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Feb 8, 2009 10:03:16 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: juandelpueblo

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

How many track days? The rotors are around $8k each.

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Feb 8, 2009 10:18:09 PM

juandelpueblo: Newbie; Loc: NY, NY; Posts: 23, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

3 track days...

Is this normal?

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Feb 8, 2009 10:35:01 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: juandelpueblo

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

juandelpueblo:

I need some help in trying to determine if the service/parts department at my local dealer (a) is trying to sell me a rear set of PCCB discs to make a quick profit and if not (b) what the proper part number is for the rear carbon rear discs? My car is a MY’07 with exactly 10,000 miles and two years old.

Supposedly there is less than 1mm left in the rear carbon discs and they need to be replaced immediately. The car has handled plenty spirited driving days

but I am a bit shocked that the discs need to be replaced so quickly.

If the answer is yes these need to be replaced, what is the proper part number. Is is the same part for a regular 997 with ceramics? I was under the impression that the Turbo had a different PCCB system. The replacement part I was shown at the parts department as a proper replacement had different sized Porsche decals as the one existing on the car right now. It did not look right to me (but I am no expert).

Thanks in advance for your help and advice on this matter… I need it before taking the plunge and spending big bucks to replace them (as suggested by the dealer).

PCCB rotor (disc) wear is not measured in millimeters. Smiley

Are you sure it's not the friction pads that the dealer wants to change. Smiley
The pads can be expected to wear faster than the rotors. You should have had a warning light go on in the instrument panel before the pads get down to 1mm pad thickness though.

Did you get a warning light? If yes, the dealer is certainly right to want to change the pads.

If you have doubts about them wanting to sell you the correct part, get them to show you the part number on the dealer's terminal for your car model and year.

I don't understand your reference to differences between parts for Turbo and regular 911. According to your profile, you drive a 911S?

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Feb 8, 2009 10:35:39 PM

Alex_997TT: Rennteam Master; Loc: Reading , United Kingdom; Posts: 3320, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2005; Reply to: juandelpueblo

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

Dan L is still going with his ceramics after 34,000 miles!
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Feb 8, 2009 11:15:59 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: juandelpueblo

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

The PCCB rotors feature "wear-indicators": as soon as the discs need replacing these indicators become visible on the discs. The indicators are basically circles with a diameter of about 1.5 cm or so. They can be noticed very easily when looking at the discs Smiley

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Feb 9, 2009 1:58:22 AM

juandelpueblo: Newbie; Loc: NY, NY; Posts: 23, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

Thanks for your prompt response!

fritz: mm is what I was told. Perhaps the mechanic meant cm ("less than 1"). What they suggest changing are not the pads, but the discs. Also, no warning light came on.
Thanks for the terminal tip; I will check into it this way. My profile needs updating; I drive a Turbo now. So my Turbo vs. Carrera S PCCBs still stands. Are they different? Smiley

Alex: That is what I thought... That they would last a good deal. Anyone that you are aware that had had to change them?

MKSGR: I will take a look at these.

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Feb 9, 2009 8:33:53 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: juandelpueblo

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

juandelpueblo:

3 track days...

Is this normal?

Could be Smiley

We have a member here on Rennteam who had to replace the rear discs after about 25.000km (and 3 track-days) Smiley

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Feb 9, 2009 10:58:16 AM

turbosteff: Co-Pilot; Loc: Hessen,Germany , Germany; Posts: 153, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 2, 2006; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

MKSGR:

juandelpueblo:

3 track days...

Is this normal?

Could be

We have a member here on Rennteam who had to replace the rear discs after about 25.000km (and 3 track-days)

Not 25.000 Km but 15.0000 Km Smiley Smiley

If you can see this indicators your disks are dead.

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Feb 9, 2009 11:02:35 AM

Alex_997TT: Rennteam Master; Loc: Reading , United Kingdom; Posts: 3320, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2005; Reply to: turbosteff

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

I am coming up to 10,000 miles (no track days yet) and mine look like this:

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Feb 9, 2009 11:12:18 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Alex_997TT

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

PCCB brakes are very durable for road use with some unsprung weight advantage. However, braking performance on steel brakes is more than excellent on Porsches anyway.

On the track ceramics dissipidate heat more efficiently but they wear fast(er).

They are not for the economy conscious tracker!

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Feb 9, 2009 11:42:53 AM

Alex_997TT: Rennteam Master; Loc: Reading , United Kingdom; Posts: 3320, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2005; Reply to: reginos

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

reginos:

They are not for the economy conscious tracker!

Surely that is a contradiction in terms!!

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Feb 9, 2009 12:00:08 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Alex_997TT

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

Alex_997TT:

reginos:

They are not for the economy conscious tracker!

Surely that is a contradiction in terms!!

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Sure it is! Why this discussion?

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Feb 9, 2009 12:32:00 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: turbosteff

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

turbosteff:

MKSGR:

juandelpueblo:

3 track days...

Is this normal?

Could be

We have a member here on Rennteam who had to replace the rear discs after about 25.000km (and 3 track-days)

Not 25.000 Km but 15.0000 Km

15.000km in your case equals 25.000km assuming a "normal" track driver Smiley

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Feb 9, 2009 1:33:59 PM

turbosteff: Co-Pilot; Loc: Hessen,Germany , Germany; Posts: 153, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 2, 2006; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

MKSGR:

turbosteff:

MKSGR:

juandelpueblo:

3 track days...

Is this normal?

   Could be

We have a member here on Rennteam who had to replace the rear discs after about 25.000km (and 3 track-days)

   Not 25.000 Km but 15.0000 Km

15.000km in your case equals 25.000km assuming a "normal" track driver

I remember a 599 GTB Fiorano at Leipzig....the front disk were dead after 1200 or 1500 KM? Smiley

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Feb 9, 2009 3:47:09 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: turbosteff

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

turbosteff:

MKSGR:

turbosteff:

MKSGR:

juandelpueblo:

3 track days...

Is this normal?

   Could be

We have a member here on Rennteam who had to replace the rear discs after about 25.000km (and 3 track-days)

   Not 25.000 Km but 15.0000 Km

15.000km in your case equals 25.000km assuming a "normal" track driver



I remember a 599 GTB Fiorano at Leipzig....the front disk were dead after 1200 or 1500 KM?

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Feb 9, 2009 6:42:12 PM

juandelpueblo: Newbie; Loc: NY, NY; Posts: 23, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

THANK YOU!!!! for all your insight...

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Feb 9, 2009 10:12:25 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: turbosteff

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

turbosteff:

MKSGR:

turbosteff:

MKSGR:

juandelpueblo:

3 track days...

Is this normal?

Could be

We have a member here on Rennteam who had to replace the rear discs after about 25.000km (and 3 track-days)

Not 25.000 Km but 15.0000 Km

15.000km in your case equals 25.000km assuming a "normal" track driver

I remember a 599 GTB Fiorano at Leipzig....the front disk were dead after 1200 or 1500 KM?

The Ferrari disk was probably made of Italian pizza Smiley

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Feb 9, 2009 10:56:41 PM

lukestern: Expert; Loc: Somewhere , United Kingdom; Posts: 1377, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 15, 2005; Reply to: reginos

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

I have 57000km on my car (about 35000 miles) and I had my car in for service just a couple of weeks ago. No need in the near future to do anything or replace anything related to the PCCB brakes. I'm driving rather hard, but no track-days so far...

so, this seems really weird. Btw, I have a normal Carrera S MY'05.

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997C2S Black/Black - PSE, Adaptives, PCCB, -20mm/LSD, Short-shifter, SportChrono, Nav, BOSE, etc.

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Feb 10, 2009 7:59:43 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: lukestern

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

Lukas:

I have 57000km on my car (about 35000 miles) and I had my car in for service just a couple of weeks ago. No need in the near future to do anything or replace anything related to the PCCB brakes. I'm driving rather hard, but no track-days so far...

so, this seems really weird. Btw, I have a normal Carrera S MY'05.

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997C2S Black/Black - PSE, Adaptives, PCCB, -20mm/LSD, Short-shifter, SportChrono, Nav, BOSE, etc.

Makes sense. The track-days make the huge difference Smiley

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Feb 10, 2009 12:37:10 PM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: reginos

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

reginos:

The Ferrari disk was probably made of Italian pizza

LOL - good one Smiley

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997S GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm/LSD, PSE, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen collection: I love this car!!!

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Feb 11, 2009 9:33:12 PM

polo: Senior; Loc: France; Posts: 539, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 26, 2006; Reply to: easy_rider911

Re: PCCB - 10,000 Miles

I have 19 000km or roughly 12000 miles, several track days, drive hard and no problem whatsoever with my car TT pccb equipped. At the 2y serviced dealer told me "the 4 brake pads are cooked and pad cushions too". Rotors were check and are fine. Unless your rotors have a defect I really doubt that your rotors are dead, even less if you did not go trough a set of brake pads. May be see another dealer. I drove hard enough on the road and track to go trough a set of brake with no worries. Just my own experience.

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