CloseJan 23, 2009 10:40:26 AM
Haven't read the article yet. Mind you, Autobild is kind of yellow press in the carmags' world. Thought I'd share it nonetheless.
Headline says: hatch door, 7-speed, 3 L econo variant.....
: Porsche 997 GT3 Arctic/Black
Jan 23, 2009 2:06:23 PM
Arguably we already have some of that spec in Targa and with PDK.
The "econo" variant "may" be a 3L with twin low pressure turbos as this seems to be the smart way to have both performance and economy. What may be far more important is how Porsche plans to take weight out of the car.
Jan 23, 2009 4:04:35 PM
Jan 23, 2009 4:18:29 PM
Jan 23, 2009 5:32:14 PM
Grant:
Does the 7 speed sound like a manual or just for the PDK? I'd love a 7spd manual
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs) Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2
Further data from the arcticle:
7 spd manual plus PDK as option (long-term: no manual anymore, but CVT 
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Main development focus:
weight savings (no details given)
improved aerodynamics ("groundeffect", rear spoiler technology similar to Panamera), lower/flat body
plus completely new suspension = better stability at highspeed.
Engines (DFI)
3.0 L "econo" version (not yet decided)
3.4 L "S" 350 hp/380 nm
3.8 L "GT" 400 hp/400 nm
Sport versions (GT3/GT2) will be launched later. Article also mentions a new "Über"-Porsche (GT1).
Like always: only time will tell.....
: Porsche 997 GT3 Arctic/Black
Jan 23, 2009 6:59:08 PM
Porsche-Jeck:Thanks - sounds pretty cool
Grant:
Does the 7 speed sound like a manual or just for the PDK? I'd love a 7spd manual
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs) Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2Further data from the arcticle:
7 spd manual plus PDK as option (long-term: no manual anymore, but CVT
Main development focus:
weight savings (no details given)
improved aerodynamics ("groundeffect", rear spoiler technology similar to Panamera), lower/flat body
plus completely new suspension = better stability at highspeed.
Engines (DFI)
3.0 L "econo" version (not yet decided)
3.4 L "S" 350 hp/380 nm
3.8 L "GT" 400 hp/400 nm
Sport versions (GT3/GT2) will be launched later. Article also mentions a new "Über"-Porsche (GT1).
Like always: only time will tell.....
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public roads: Porsche 987 S Seal/Cocoa, toll road
Another source of information re 991:
Jan 23, 2009 7:06:57 PM
fritz:I've heard the new aerodymanic aides will be active and speed-sensitive. So, the ground effects might only deploy at high speeds - where hopefully there is no chance of speed bumps. Maybe the suspension lowers at speed too...
Porsche-Jeck:"Ground-effect" on cars with enough ground-clearance to drive over speed-bumps?
improved aerodynamics ("groundeffect", rear spoiler technology similar to Panamera), lower/flat body
I doubt it.
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fritz
Jan 23, 2009 7:44:24 PM
This Auto BIld impression makes it look like something from "Cars" the animated feature film. I hope it is the magazine's mistake.
There is some more info on the CAR website
There is something about a new material mix reducing weight by 10%
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It's not where you're going, it's how you get there that counts
fritz:It's an active system that Porsche have already patented. So at low speeds you can hump as much as you like with no adverse effect. At higher speeds (unless you;re Michael Douglas) you wouldn't be humping anyway.
Porsche-Jeck:"Ground-effect" on cars with enough ground-clearance to drive over speed-bumps?
improved aerodynamics ("groundeffect", rear spoiler technology similar to Panamera), lower/flat body
I doubt it.
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fritz
Jan 23, 2009 9:22:24 PM
I'm all for more performance out of less, and lighter weight.... But I truly enjoy naturally-aspirated linear response, and I'm a torque-junky... The Carrera S was really the right car for me, in that with the Sport Chrono option, I could at least "pretend" that my car not only had legs, but a good set of balls as well.. All this talk of less displacement, turbos, etc., has me a bit worried... I highly doubt that if you took every Porsche on the face of the planet and crushed them, that the human carbon-footprint would budge one-millionth-of-one-millionth-of-one-percent anyhow. So screw the hopey-changey mentality for my niche sportscar..
Nope, if Porsche goes ultra-high-rev-low-displacement, it'll alienate me a bit.
And 7 gears? There's a point at which I get a bit old-school, and have to say "if you need 7 gears to get from zero-to-whatever, you need to get a bigger stinkin' engine.
Don't make me go out and build a Cobra kit car, arm it with an aluminum 427 built for torque and an old bullet-proof toploader, and go to the track Porsche hunting using TWO gears all day long.
Jan 23, 2009 9:51:27 PM
09 Porsche 911 Targa4S - On Order
02 Porsche 911 Targa - Retired
08 BMW 550i
Grant:I have seen Porsche patents listed that show an active suspension system for a Carrera body that magnetically determines ride height and presumably adjusts accordingly... Therefore I'm guessing you're on the money...
fritz:I've heard the new aerodymanic aides will be active and speed-sensitive. So, the ground effects might only deploy at high speeds - where hopefully there is no chance of speed bumps. Maybe the suspension lowers at speed too...
Porsche-Jeck:"Ground-effect" on cars with enough ground-clearance to drive over speed-bumps?
improved aerodynamics ("groundeffect", rear spoiler technology similar to Panamera), lower/flat body
I doubt it.
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fritz
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs) Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2
Jan 23, 2009 10:09:09 PM
hinckley:
I waited two years after the 997 was introduced for the new Targa. Just as I was ready to order one in late-2006, comes word of the facelift . . . so I waited for two years . . . Now my 997.2 Targa is built and in transit . . . and they tell me the 991 is due in just two more years . . .
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09 Porsche 911 Targa4S - On Order
02 Porsche 911 Targa - Retired
08 BMW 550i
If you wait you'll never own one. There is something newer everyday. Just enjoy it, thankfully Porsche facelifts are not noticeable by ordinary people, so you're safe .
Jan 24, 2009 3:47:47 PM
Jan 24, 2009 4:31:45 PM
Porsche-Jeck:
Article also mentions larger wheelbase (+10 cm), larger track width (front axle: "a bit", rear axle "a lot") - the spyshots showing a testmule with wide fenders come to mind.
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public roads: Porsche 987 S Seal/Cocoa, toll road
That's too bad - current car is too big already, imo
The yellow car looks really nice IMO. It looks good to mix the more angular line to the organic shape of a 911.
As for the rumor engine, a 3L low pressure turbo soundsinteresting to me. A small engine should mean lighter weight and low pressure turbo will provide lots of low-end torque (like in the VW 2L turbo). Give it a "econo" treatment, I read remove all essential gadgets, we may have a surprise driver-oriented 911.
Grant:Totally agree.
Porsche-Jeck:
Article also mentions larger wheelbase (+10 cm), larger track width (front axle: "a bit", rear axle "a lot") - the spyshots showing a testmule with wide fenders come to mind.
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public roads: Porsche 987 S Seal/Cocoa, toll road
That's too bad - current car is too big already, imo
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs) Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2
Back again! 
Jan 24, 2009 8:22:26 PM
Porsche-Jeck:
Article also mentions larger wheelbase (+10 cm), larger track width (front axle: "a bit", rear axle "a lot") - the spyshots showing a testmule with wide fenders come to mind.
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public roads: Porsche 987 S Seal/Cocoa, toll road
Larger wheelbase doesn't necessarily mean a longer car or longer by the same 10cm.
997 has long overhangs front and rear which could be reduced to release extra wheelbase.
reginos:
Porsche-Jeck:
Article also mentions larger wheelbase (+10 cm), larger track width (front axle: "a bit", rear axle "a lot") - the spyshots showing a testmule with wide fenders come to mind.
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public roads: Porsche 987 S Seal/Cocoa, toll road
Larger wheelbase doesn't necessarily mean a longer car or longer by the same 10cm.
997 has long overhangs front and rear which could be reduced to release extra wheelbase.
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It's not where you're going, it's how you get there that counts
That's true, but increasing wheelbase will make the car less nimble and quick to turn-in. It's very noticable effect from 1968 911 to 1969 911 and from 993 to 996 (the two occasions where wheelbase was significantly lengthened).
Jan 24, 2009 8:31:40 PM
easy_rider911:
I really like the shape of the front apron in this Auto Bild 'mock up' of what a 991 might look like. Looks more attractive and more harmonious than the design on the Gen 2 997.
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997S GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm/LSD, PSE, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen collection: I love this car!!!
Me too, I really like it, it could flow very well with the 911's front, sporty and harmonious.
911rox:
Grant:I have seen Porsche patents listed that show an active suspension system for a Carrera body that magnetically determines ride height and presumably adjusts accordingly... Therefore I'm guessing you're on the money...
fritz:I've heard the new aerodymanic aides will be active and speed-sensitive. So, the ground effects might only deploy at high speeds - where hopefully there is no chance of speed bumps. Maybe the suspension lowers at speed too...
Porsche-Jeck:"Ground-effect" on cars with enough ground-clearance to drive over speed-bumps?
improved aerodynamics ("groundeffect", rear spoiler technology similar to Panamera), lower/flat body
I doubt it.
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fritz
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs) Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2
Obvious difference in ride height and lot of new components on rear wheel suspension that look like hydraulic / magnetic actuators ! Active suspension - it must be . (maybe even 4W steering)
Jan 24, 2009 9:31:35 PM
Porsche-Jeck:
Haven't read the article yet. Mind you, Autobild is kind of yellow press in the carmags' world. Thought I'd share it nonetheless.Headline says: hatch door, 7-speed, 3 L econo variant.....
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public roads: Porsche 987 S Seal/Cocoa, toll road
AuBi09_04_003-003_Inhalt.pdf On page 8 is a nice picture of this yellow 911 from the back - if you can make a scan and post for us , would be great . Thanks .
Jan 26, 2009 12:41:36 AM
let me add to the rumors out there by saying that the 991 topmodel will get a 4.0L 6cyl!
Porsche will offer the 997 GT3 RSR with a 4.0L providing 450hp so it actually fits in the 997 chassis already!!!
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/porsche-911-gt3-rsr_833628.html
Next 911 Turbo will get a 4.0L!!
So we'll see 3.0L, 3.6L and 4.0L
2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd
1986 Porsche 944, 5spd
Jan 31, 2009 4:22:32 PM
Feb 16, 2009 6:56:24 PM
I'm excited about the direction of the 998. The hatch will add some utility that been lacking up until the debut of the Targa, although the 'step over' height is a little high due to the need to clear that motor in the back 
The trend towards more tranny gears isn't going to go away, especially with the stiffer fuel/CO2 regs. I just hope PAG decides to keep the manual.
Jun 20, 2009 1:44:51 PM
Atzporsche:
let me add to the rumors out there by saying that the 991 topmodel will get a 4.0L 6cyl!
Porsche will offer the 997 GT3 RSR with a 4.0L providing 450hp so it actually fits in the 997 chassis already!!!
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/porsche-911-gt3-rsr_833628.htmlNext 911 Turbo will get a 4.0L!!
So we'll see 3.0L, 3.6L and 4.0L
4.0L is easy to get with the new DFI engine - all you need to do is use the 3.8L bore (pistons and cylinder heads) with the 3.6L stroke (con rods). These guys planned ahead!
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Best regards, Gordie Austin, TX ---------- Previous '04 986 550 SE, Present '09 C2S Cab
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